Graphics not working on dial up

G

gfish29

I am using Publisher 2003. My site works fine with broadband. When viewed
from a dial-up connection my images appear as a red x's. I am using alot of
images mainly small gifs. There is one or two that work from time to time and
they are not unique. I have tried even single page publishes with 1 image and
dial-up will not read it.
 
G

gfish29

The site always works perfect with broadband except for some weird indenting
issues on one of the pages. I got the site working with dial-up but it is not
consistantly working. There are always some images that don't load but never
the same images. It changes after I do a disk clean up or when I delete the
temporary internet files. Once I pull the site up the first time it loads
slowly then it loads really fast when I refresh the screen. The graphics that
are going to load, load fast. The other don't work at all.
 
D

DavidF

It sounds like your images are too large. Did you use the "compress images"
function as suggested? Or perhaps resample, and reduce the size of the
images in a third party image editing app before you insert them into your
Pub doc. And go to Tools > Options > Web tab and deselect "Rely on VML..."
and "Allow PNG...". Delete your old html files on your site and republish.

DavidF
 
G

gfish29

Can you view my site and make a recommendation from what you see? I have
tried all those other things. I have even tried to link some of the images,
but it won't let me link more then one page to one image. I don't understand
the inconsistancy of it working and then not working. If the images are to
large I wouldn't think it would work at all? Is there a threshhold I should
shoot for? Image wise or page wise.
 
G

gfish29

www.biketonature.com
--
Thanks


gfish29 said:
Can you view my site and make a recommendation from what you see? I have
tried all those other things. I have even tried to link some of the images,
but it won't let me link more then one page to one image. I don't understand
the inconsistancy of it working and then not working. If the images are to
large I wouldn't think it would work at all? Is there a threshhold I should
shoot for? Image wise or page wise.
 
D

DavidF

gfish,

It all looks good to me. In fact, I think you have built a pretty elaborate
site and should feel pretty good about it. All the images on the pages that
I looked at loaded, even using a dial-up connection. And most seemed to load
in a reasonable time for Pub 2003.

I don't understand your comment or question about "...tried to link some
images, but..."

Inconsistency?...if you delete all your temp internet pages before viewing a
page, the pages will load more slowly the first time. The second time you
load a page, you already have the images on your computer, so it will load
more quickly. For a true comparison of loading time of different pages,
always delete your temp pages before viewing...

I guess I don't see any major problem, at least not with the pages I looked
at. If there is a particular page or image, then post back with that URL of
that page, and I'll take another look. Publisher 2003 images do load a bit
slower, but you seem to have found a pretty good balance between image
quality and size, and loading time, in general.

You would find images loading more quickly if you import...or link to them,
and bypass the Publisher coding engine. (Perhaps that was what your comment
was about?) You might experiment with that to see if you like the results
better. Here is an article:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=287

Does that answer your questions?

DavidF
 
G

gfish29

The inconsistancy is at the bike shop. When I load the site there. There is
always some page that will be missing a graphic or two. I can delete the
files and try again then it will be other graphics that are missing. I have
tried on two of the computers there and they do the same thing. When his
computer is clean it works fine but as soon as he builds up temp files the
page starts missing graphics(never the same graphics). I noticed that I have
alot of missing alternative text and overlowing text boxes. I am fixing that.
But should that cause problems??????I will also look into linking the images
I guess.
 
D

DavidF

As I said, I every image loads for me. Perhaps David Bartosik, Mary, Don or
Rob could try your site to see if they get a different experience. Have some
of your customers or friends help test the site...

Also, perhaps you could increase the size of your Temp internet folder size,
delete the files, and then reboot the computer(s) at the store to see if
that makes any difference. It seems that your problems are more a function
of your computers than the site. Overflowing text boxes should not affect
your images, but overlapping images & text boxes will. It will combine the
text box with the image to create a new image. Perhaps run the design
checker to see if you have any instances of that happening??

As per using the import images option, I would probably concentrate on the
larger, JPG images for that such as the picture of your store on your home
page. Given the large number of images you have on your site, I doubt if it
would be worth it to do it for every image. Perhaps temporarily add a test
page to your site, and both link and embed the same image(s) side by side to
see the difference in loading time and quality before you undertake
linking/importing more.

What application are you using for resampling and optimizing your images, by
the way?

DavidF
 
M

Mary Sauer

It loads everything for me. All the pictures are intact.

Why do folks make such great web sites and mine looks like a 5 year old did it?
 
D

DavidF

You are your own worst critic. Content is king...and you are the queen of
content! I think your site is great.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the site...

DavidF
 
J

JoAnn Paules [MVP]

Mary is awesome! I just got back from lunch with another MVP (he is ASP and
ASP.net) and I was telling him about Mary. I told him that when it comes to
questions about clip art and questions that just flat out don't make sense
to me, Mary has an uncanny skill for correct answers. :)
 
D

DavidF

Mary is able to read all the words that a poster doesn't write...

DavidF

JoAnn Paules said:
Mary is awesome! I just got back from lunch with another MVP (he is ASP and
ASP.net) and I was telling him about Mary. I told him that when it comes to
questions about clip art and questions that just flat out don't make sense
to me, Mary has an uncanny skill for correct answers. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



DavidF said:
You are your own worst critic. Content is king...and you are the queen of
content! I think your site is great.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the site...

DavidF

Have
some folder
size, combine
the on
the files
the seemed
to link
some that
URL load
a threshhold
I size
of "Rely
on don't
load when
I article
that I
am
 
M

Mary Sauer

Ah gosh, you guys...



--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/


DavidF said:
Mary is able to read all the words that a poster doesn't write...

DavidF

JoAnn Paules said:
Mary is awesome! I just got back from lunch with another MVP (he is ASP and
ASP.net) and I was telling him about Mary. I told him that when it comes to
questions about clip art and questions that just flat out don't make sense
to me, Mary has an uncanny skill for correct answers. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



DavidF said:
You are your own worst critic. Content is king...and you are the queen of
content! I think your site is great.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the site...

DavidF

It loads everything for me. All the pictures are intact.

Why do folks make such great web sites and mine looks like a 5 year old
did it?

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

As I said, I every image loads for me. Perhaps David Bartosik, Mary,
Don
or
Rob could try your site to see if they get a different experience. Have
some
of your customers or friends help test the site...

Also, perhaps you could increase the size of your Temp internet folder
size,
delete the files, and then reboot the computer(s) at the store to see
if
that makes any difference. It seems that your problems are more a
function
of your computers than the site. Overflowing text boxes should not
affect
your images, but overlapping images & text boxes will. It will combine
the
text box with the image to create a new image. Perhaps run the design
checker to see if you have any instances of that happening??

As per using the import images option, I would probably concentrate on
the
larger, JPG images for that such as the picture of your store on your
home
page. Given the large number of images you have on your site, I doubt
if
it
would be worth it to do it for every image. Perhaps temporarily add a
test
page to your site, and both link and embed the same image(s) side by
side to
see the difference in loading time and quality before you undertake
linking/importing more.

What application are you using for resampling and optimizing your
images, by
the way?

DavidF

The inconsistancy is at the bike shop. When I load the site there.
There
is
always some page that will be missing a graphic or two. I can delete
the
files and try again then it will be other graphics that are missing. I
have
tried on two of the computers there and they do the same thing. When
his
computer is clean it works fine but as soon as he builds up temp files
the
page starts missing graphics(never the same graphics). I noticed that
I
have
alot of missing alternative text and overlowing text boxes. I am
fixing
that.
But should that cause problems??????I will also look into linking the
images
I guess.
--
Thanks


:

gfish,

It all looks good to me. In fact, I think you have built a pretty
elaborate
site and should feel pretty good about it. All the images on the
pages
that
I looked at loaded, even using a dial-up connection. And most seemed
to
load
in a reasonable time for Pub 2003.

I don't understand your comment or question about "...tried to link
some
images, but..."

Inconsistency?...if you delete all your temp internet pages before
viewing a
page, the pages will load more slowly the first time. The second
time
you
load a page, you already have the images on your computer, so it
will
load
more quickly. For a true comparison of loading time of different
pages,
always delete your temp pages before viewing...

I guess I don't see any major problem, at least not with the pages I
looked
at. If there is a particular page or image, then post back with that
URL
of
that page, and I'll take another look. Publisher 2003 images do load
a
bit
slower, but you seem to have found a pretty good balance between
image
quality and size, and loading time, in general.

You would find images loading more quickly if you import...or link
to
them,
and bypass the Publisher coding engine. (Perhaps that was what your
comment
was about?) You might experiment with that to see if you like the
results
better. Here is an article:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=287

Does that answer your questions?

DavidF

Can you view my site and make a recommendation from what you see?
I
have
tried all those other things. I have even tried to link some of
the
images,
but it won't let me link more then one page to one image. I don't
understand
the inconsistancy of it working and then not working. If the
images
are to
large I wouldn't think it would work at all? Is there a threshhold
I
should
shoot for? Image wise or page wise.
--
Thanks


:

It sounds like your images are too large. Did you use the
"compress
images"
function as suggested? Or perhaps resample, and reduce the size
of
the
images in a third party image editing app before you insert them
into
your
Pub doc. And go to Tools > Options > Web tab and deselect "Rely
on
VML..."
and "Allow PNG...". Delete your old html files on your site and
republish.

DavidF

The site always works perfect with broadband except for some
weird
indenting
issues on one of the pages. I got the site working with
dial-up
but it
is
not
consistantly working. There are always some images that don't
load
but
never
the same images. It changes after I do a disk clean up or when
I
delete
the
temporary internet files. Once I pull the site up the first
time
it
loads
slowly then it loads really fast when I refresh the screen.
The
graphics
that
are going to load, load fast. The other don't work at all.
--
Thanks


:

Publisher 2003 does result in slower loading images, but
generally
if
you
can see the images via broadband, you can also see
them....eventually...with
dial up. Perhaps you will have better luck if you use the
compress
images
function before you publish your site. Here is a MS article
that
might
help:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx

DavidF

message
I am using Publisher 2003. My site works fine with
broadband.
When
viewed
from a dial-up connection my images appear as a red x's. I
am
using
alot
of
images mainly small gifs. There is one or two that work
from
time
to
time
and
they are not unique. I have tried even single page
publishes
with
1
image
and
dial-up will not read it.
 
J

JoAnn Paules [MVP]

Here I just thought she was a mind reader. She can read unwritten words too?
Oh my! I'm in hot water with her then. You should read the posts that I
delete before being tempted to hit the send button. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



DavidF said:
Mary is able to read all the words that a poster doesn't write...

DavidF

JoAnn Paules said:
Mary is awesome! I just got back from lunch with another MVP (he is ASP and
ASP.net) and I was telling him about Mary. I told him that when it comes to
questions about clip art and questions that just flat out don't make
sense
to me, Mary has an uncanny skill for correct answers. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



DavidF said:
You are your own worst critic. Content is king...and you are the queen of
content! I think your site is great.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the site...

DavidF

It loads everything for me. All the pictures are intact.

Why do folks make such great web sites and mine looks like a 5 year
old
did it?

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

As I said, I every image loads for me. Perhaps David Bartosik, Mary,
Don
or
Rob could try your site to see if they get a different experience. Have
some
of your customers or friends help test the site...

Also, perhaps you could increase the size of your Temp internet folder
size,
delete the files, and then reboot the computer(s) at the store to
see
if
that makes any difference. It seems that your problems are more a
function
of your computers than the site. Overflowing text boxes should not
affect
your images, but overlapping images & text boxes will. It will combine
the
text box with the image to create a new image. Perhaps run the
design
checker to see if you have any instances of that happening??

As per using the import images option, I would probably concentrate on
the
larger, JPG images for that such as the picture of your store on
your
home
page. Given the large number of images you have on your site, I
doubt
if
it
would be worth it to do it for every image. Perhaps temporarily add
a
test
page to your site, and both link and embed the same image(s) side by
side to
see the difference in loading time and quality before you undertake
linking/importing more.

What application are you using for resampling and optimizing your
images, by
the way?

DavidF

The inconsistancy is at the bike shop. When I load the site there.
There
is
always some page that will be missing a graphic or two. I can
delete
the
files and try again then it will be other graphics that are
missing. I
have
tried on two of the computers there and they do the same thing.
When
his
computer is clean it works fine but as soon as he builds up temp files
the
page starts missing graphics(never the same graphics). I noticed that
I
have
alot of missing alternative text and overlowing text boxes. I am
fixing
that.
But should that cause problems??????I will also look into linking the
images
I guess.
--
Thanks


:

gfish,

It all looks good to me. In fact, I think you have built a pretty
elaborate
site and should feel pretty good about it. All the images on the
pages
that
I looked at loaded, even using a dial-up connection. And most seemed
to
load
in a reasonable time for Pub 2003.

I don't understand your comment or question about "...tried to link
some
images, but..."

Inconsistency?...if you delete all your temp internet pages
before
viewing a
page, the pages will load more slowly the first time. The second
time
you
load a page, you already have the images on your computer, so it
will
load
more quickly. For a true comparison of loading time of different
pages,
always delete your temp pages before viewing...

I guess I don't see any major problem, at least not with the
pages I
looked
at. If there is a particular page or image, then post back with that
URL
of
that page, and I'll take another look. Publisher 2003 images do load
a
bit
slower, but you seem to have found a pretty good balance between
image
quality and size, and loading time, in general.

You would find images loading more quickly if you import...or
link
to
them,
and bypass the Publisher coding engine. (Perhaps that was what your
comment
was about?) You might experiment with that to see if you like the
results
better. Here is an article:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=287

Does that answer your questions?

DavidF

Can you view my site and make a recommendation from what you see?
I
have
tried all those other things. I have even tried to link some of
the
images,
but it won't let me link more then one page to one image. I don't
understand
the inconsistancy of it working and then not working. If the
images
are to
large I wouldn't think it would work at all? Is there a threshhold
I
should
shoot for? Image wise or page wise.
--
Thanks


:

It sounds like your images are too large. Did you use the
"compress
images"
function as suggested? Or perhaps resample, and reduce the size
of
the
images in a third party image editing app before you insert them
into
your
Pub doc. And go to Tools > Options > Web tab and deselect "Rely
on
VML..."
and "Allow PNG...". Delete your old html files on your site and
republish.

DavidF

message
The site always works perfect with broadband except for
some
weird
indenting
issues on one of the pages. I got the site working with
dial-up
but it
is
not
consistantly working. There are always some images that don't
load
but
never
the same images. It changes after I do a disk clean up or when
I
delete
the
temporary internet files. Once I pull the site up the first
time
it
loads
slowly then it loads really fast when I refresh the screen.
The
graphics
that
are going to load, load fast. The other don't work at all.
--
Thanks


:

Publisher 2003 does result in slower loading images, but
generally
if
you
can see the images via broadband, you can also see
them....eventually...with
dial up. Perhaps you will have better luck if you use the
compress
images
function before you publish your site. Here is a MS article
that
might
help:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx

DavidF

message
I am using Publisher 2003. My site works fine with
broadband.
When
viewed
from a dial-up connection my images appear as a red
x's. I
am
using
alot
of
images mainly small gifs. There is one or two that work
from
time
to
time
and
they are not unique. I have tried even single page
publishes
with
1
image
and
dial-up will not read it.
 
D

DavidF

It seemed to be more appropriate than 'hearing the words not spoken', which
is a skill of a good counselor.

DavidF

JoAnn Paules said:
Here I just thought she was a mind reader. She can read unwritten words too?
Oh my! I'm in hot water with her then. You should read the posts that I
delete before being tempted to hit the send button. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



DavidF said:
Mary is able to read all the words that a poster doesn't write...

DavidF

JoAnn Paules said:
Mary is awesome! I just got back from lunch with another MVP (he is ASP and
ASP.net) and I was telling him about Mary. I told him that when it
comes
to
questions about clip art and questions that just flat out don't make
sense
to me, Mary has an uncanny skill for correct answers. :)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



You are your own worst critic. Content is king...and you are the
queen
of
content! I think your site is great.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the site...

DavidF

It loads everything for me. All the pictures are intact.

Why do folks make such great web sites and mine looks like a 5 year
old
did it?

--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com

As I said, I every image loads for me. Perhaps David Bartosik, Mary,
Don
or
Rob could try your site to see if they get a different experience. Have
some
of your customers or friends help test the site...

Also, perhaps you could increase the size of your Temp internet folder
size,
delete the files, and then reboot the computer(s) at the store to
see
if
that makes any difference. It seems that your problems are more a
function
of your computers than the site. Overflowing text boxes should not
affect
your images, but overlapping images & text boxes will. It will combine
the
text box with the image to create a new image. Perhaps run the
design
checker to see if you have any instances of that happening??

As per using the import images option, I would probably
concentrate
on
the
larger, JPG images for that such as the picture of your store on
your
home
page. Given the large number of images you have on your site, I
doubt
if
it
would be worth it to do it for every image. Perhaps temporarily add
a
test
page to your site, and both link and embed the same image(s) side by
side to
see the difference in loading time and quality before you undertake
linking/importing more.

What application are you using for resampling and optimizing your
images, by
the way?

DavidF

The inconsistancy is at the bike shop. When I load the site there.
There
is
always some page that will be missing a graphic or two. I can
delete
the
files and try again then it will be other graphics that are
missing. I
have
tried on two of the computers there and they do the same thing.
When
his
computer is clean it works fine but as soon as he builds up temp files
the
page starts missing graphics(never the same graphics). I noticed that
I
have
alot of missing alternative text and overlowing text boxes. I am
fixing
that.
But should that cause problems??????I will also look into linking the
images
I guess.
--
Thanks


:

gfish,

It all looks good to me. In fact, I think you have built a pretty
elaborate
site and should feel pretty good about it. All the images on the
pages
that
I looked at loaded, even using a dial-up connection. And most seemed
to
load
in a reasonable time for Pub 2003.

I don't understand your comment or question about "...tried to link
some
images, but..."

Inconsistency?...if you delete all your temp internet pages
before
viewing a
page, the pages will load more slowly the first time. The second
time
you
load a page, you already have the images on your computer, so it
will
load
more quickly. For a true comparison of loading time of different
pages,
always delete your temp pages before viewing...

I guess I don't see any major problem, at least not with the
pages I
looked
at. If there is a particular page or image, then post back with that
URL
of
that page, and I'll take another look. Publisher 2003 images do load
a
bit
slower, but you seem to have found a pretty good balance between
image
quality and size, and loading time, in general.

You would find images loading more quickly if you import...or
link
to
them,
and bypass the Publisher coding engine. (Perhaps that was what your
comment
was about?) You might experiment with that to see if you like the
results
better. Here is an article:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=287

Does that answer your questions?

DavidF

Can you view my site and make a recommendation from what you see?
I
have
tried all those other things. I have even tried to link some of
the
images,
but it won't let me link more then one page to one image. I don't
understand
the inconsistancy of it working and then not working. If the
images
are to
large I wouldn't think it would work at all? Is there a threshhold
I
should
shoot for? Image wise or page wise.
--
Thanks


:

It sounds like your images are too large. Did you use the
"compress
images"
function as suggested? Or perhaps resample, and reduce the size
of
the
images in a third party image editing app before you insert them
into
your
Pub doc. And go to Tools > Options > Web tab and deselect "Rely
on
VML..."
and "Allow PNG...". Delete your old html files on your site and
republish.

DavidF

message
The site always works perfect with broadband except for
some
weird
indenting
issues on one of the pages. I got the site working with
dial-up
but it
is
not
consistantly working. There are always some images that don't
load
but
never
the same images. It changes after I do a disk clean up or when
I
delete
the
temporary internet files. Once I pull the site up the first
time
it
loads
slowly then it loads really fast when I refresh the screen.
The
graphics
that
are going to load, load fast. The other don't work at all.
--
Thanks


:

Publisher 2003 does result in slower loading images, but
generally
if
you
can see the images via broadband, you can also see
them....eventually...with
dial up. Perhaps you will have better luck if you use the
compress
images
function before you publish your site. Here is a MS article
that
might
help:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA011266301033.aspx

DavidF

message
I am using Publisher 2003. My site works fine with
broadband.
When
viewed
from a dial-up connection my images appear as a red
x's. I
am
using
alot
of
images mainly small gifs. There is one or two that work
from
time
to
time
and
they are not unique. I have tried even single page
publishes
with
1
image
and
dial-up will not read it.
 
G

gfish29

I am tryng to link some images that I have multibles of to see that will
illiminate my problem. It seems that I am only able to link one page to one
link. I have tried to do the"insert html fragment method". Its work for the
main page but none of the others. I have also tried going through the
graphics manager and it will only let me link one picture as well.
 
G

gfish29

Nevermind I got the linking part working. We will see if it makes a
difference at the shop.
 

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