Header in Normal is TOO LARGE!

[Guest]

Something has gone terribly wrong with my Word docs. The header is taking up
half the page in new docs and I cannot reduce it nor can I select "make same
as previous header," which is greyed out. It is clearly not the same size
as the previous header. The problem appears on the third page of the
document. I've deleted my normal document from the user folder but the
problem reappears.

Help!
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[Elliott Roper]

Something has gone terribly wrong with my Word docs. The header is taking up
half the page in new docs and I cannot reduce it nor can I select "make same
as previous header," which is greyed out. It is clearly not the same size
as the previous header. The problem appears on the third page of the
document. I've deleted my normal document from the user folder but the
problem reappears.

If it were page 2, I might have been able to help. (You may have had
the first section set up for first page different)

If a brand new document (without any pasting from old stuff and after
really truly deleting ~/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Normal while no
Office program was running) is still mucking up the header from page
three onward, I'll have to ascribe that to PFM.

 

[CyberTaz]

Since you don't mention which version of Word it's hard to be sure, but try
going to the first page that presents the rogue header - from the vague &
limited description provided I expect that would be the 3rd page. Select
View> Header & Footer, then click the Document Layout button (book icon) on
the H/F toolbar - see if Vertical Alignment is set to Center... If so,
change it back to Top.

If that isn't the case there must be something in there that you aren't able
to see. Make sure you have the non-printing characters (¶) displayed. Report
back on exactly what markup you see as well as specifics about any section
breaks and other descriptive info about the structure of the doc. It's just
about impossible to have different headers in a doc without using section
breaks.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[John McGhie]

Sorry Jeff:

You haven't told us any of the information we need to answer the question:
we cannot see your screen from here! We're supporting around 20 different
operating systems and 30-odd versions of Word here: we really need to know
the exact version numbers of your software

That said, I suspect either Word was not closed when you deleted Normal, in
which case it would have immediately put the bad one back, or you deleted
the wrong instance of Normal.

"Same as previous" is greyed out because there is no "previous" header. The
one on the previous page is not usually the "previous", each section break
has three headers: First, Left, and Right, and three footers; again, First,
Left, and Right.

If there is only one section break, there is no "previous Right Page
header".

Cheers

Something has gone terribly wrong with my Word docs. The header is taking up
half the page in new docs and I cannot reduce it nor can I select "make same
as previous header," which is greyed out. It is clearly not the same size
as the previous header. The problem appears on the third page of the
document. I've deleted my normal document from the user folder but the
problem reappears.

Help!
Jeff
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

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[Guest]

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[little_creature]

Jeff,
they have been speaking about Normal template - file that words uses
as scratch book it is open every time you open word but you cannot see
it. It sits ~/Documents/Microsoft User Data/Normal. This file keeps
all the standard styles (plus user defined styles and other things
inside it) so discarding this normal document while Word is closed
should give a fresh breath to Normal style.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

--
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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[CyberTaz]

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[John McGhie]

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

--
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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[CyberTaz]

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[Russ]

To All,
Speaking of ruler control, you can change the Word preference for what the
rulers use for measurement. And holding down the ALT or Option key while
moving the slider on the rulers shows more information.

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[John McGhie]

Nope: You can change the graduations DISPLAYED on the ruler!! But what we
have been whinging about for a few years is that you cannot actually change
the snap-to indents along the ruler.

They remain stubbornly in the Olde Worlde measuring system

Cheers

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/11/07 11:30 PM, in article C2BBD66A.5313%[email protected], "John

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on
OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Russ]

More message and Word Help snippets on the subject of rulers and grids:

===================
You can change the ruler graduations by clicking on Tools | Options |
General | Measurement units: Centimeters | OK. You can change the
snap-to-grid interval when you drag along the horizontal and vertical
rulers by displaying the Drawing toolbar (View | Toolbars | Drawing),
clicking on Draw | Grid, and changing the horizontal and vertical
spacing to 0.25 cm or 0.5 cm or whatever.
===================
Tip To temporarily override grid settings, hold down Command key as you
drag or draw an object.
===================
€ To automatically align objects on an invisible grid, select the Snap
objects to grid check box.
€
To automatically align objects with gridlines that go through the vertical
and horizontal edges of other shapes, select the Snap objects to other
objects check
===================
€ Hold down OPTION/ALT and press the arrow keys to nudge the freeform in
1-pixel increments.
===================
http://www.gmayor.com/Character_Units.htm
===================

1. Under the bonnet ("hood" for our American friends playing along at
home), Word measures things like margins and tab stops in points. The
inches or centimetres that are displayed in (eg) the Page Setup dialog box
are just to amuse we humans. So bear in mind that occasionally you can set
something to, say, 7cm, and Word will later come back and tell you it's
6.99cm. Word manages these conversions a lot better than some other
programs, but you hit the conversion problem occasionally.

Strictly speaking, Word's fundamental units aren't even points, they are
twips. A twip is 1/20th of a point. Dimensions for everything in Word are
stored internally as 16-bit integers of twips. That is why the maximum page
size that Word will support is about 22"x22" - 22 inches is about 2^15
twips.
===================

Nope: You can change the graduations DISPLAYED on the ruler!! But what we
have been whinging about for a few years is that you cannot actually change
the snap-to indents along the ruler.

They remain stubbornly in the Olde Worlde measuring system

Cheers

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control


On 12/7/07 2:12 PM, in article C2BB2974.27696%[email protected],

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted
by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/11/07 11:30 PM, in article C2BBD66A.5313%[email protected], "John

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on
OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods
thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[John McGhie]

That's all good stuff But the snap points on the ruler remain at (I
can't remember: is in 1/16 of an inch?) regardless of what you set as your
"measurement unit"

Try it

More message and Word Help snippets on the subject of rulers and grids:

===================
You can change the ruler graduations by clicking on Tools | Options |
General | Measurement units: Centimeters | OK. You can change the
snap-to-grid interval when you drag along the horizontal and vertical
rulers by displaying the Drawing toolbar (View | Toolbars | Drawing),
clicking on Draw | Grid, and changing the horizontal and vertical
spacing to 0.25 cm or 0.5 cm or whatever.
===================
Tip To temporarily override grid settings, hold down Command key as you
drag or draw an object.
===================
€ To automatically align objects on an invisible grid, select the Snap
objects to grid check box.
€
To automatically align objects with gridlines that go through the vertical
and horizontal edges of other shapes, select the Snap objects to other
objects check
===================
€ Hold down OPTION/ALT and press the arrow keys to nudge the freeform in
1-pixel increments.
===================
http://www.gmayor.com/Character_Units.htm
===================

1. Under the bonnet ("hood" for our American friends playing along at
home), Word measures things like margins and tab stops in points. The
inches or centimetres that are displayed in (eg) the Page Setup dialog box
are just to amuse we humans. So bear in mind that occasionally you can set
something to, say, 7cm, and Word will later come back and tell you it's
6.99cm. Word manages these conversions a lot better than some other
programs, but you hit the conversion problem occasionally.

Strictly speaking, Word's fundamental units aren't even points, they are
twips. A twip is 1/20th of a point. Dimensions for everything in Word are
stored internally as 16-bit integers of twips. That is why the maximum page
size that Word will support is about 22"x22" - 22 inches is about 2^15
twips.
===================

Nope: You can change the graduations DISPLAYED on the ruler!! But what we
have been whinging about for a few years is that you cannot actually change
the snap-to indents along the ruler.

They remain stubbornly in the Olde Worlde measuring system

Cheers

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/12/07 12:51 AM, in article C2BBE94E.531E%[email protected], "John

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control


On 12/7/07 2:12 PM, in article C2BB2974.27696%[email protected],

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted
by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/11/07 11:30 PM, in article C2BBD66A.5313%[email protected], "John

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on
OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it. Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name. That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update
the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods
thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[Russ]

True,
I wasn't able to change the graduation marks on the ruler for a particular
measurement units like inches. However, for drawing objects, I created with
the options, a Viewable grid pattern with squares .5" by .5" and the snap to
grid did work. For moving tabs, I would hold down the ALT/OPT key to see
more information, but those don't snap anyway.

That's all good stuff But the snap points on the ruler remain at (I
can't remember: is in 1/16 of an inch?) regardless of what you set as your
"measurement unit"

Try it

More message and Word Help snippets on the subject of rulers and grids:

===================
You can change the ruler graduations by clicking on Tools | Options |
General | Measurement units: Centimeters | OK. You can change the
snap-to-grid interval when you drag along the horizontal and vertical
rulers by displaying the Drawing toolbar (View | Toolbars | Drawing),
clicking on Draw | Grid, and changing the horizontal and vertical
spacing to 0.25 cm or 0.5 cm or whatever.
===================
Tip To temporarily override grid settings, hold down Command key as you
drag or draw an object.
===================
€ To automatically align objects on an invisible grid, select the Snap
objects to grid check box.
€
To automatically align objects with gridlines that go through the vertical
and horizontal edges of other shapes, select the Snap objects to other
objects check
===================
€ Hold down OPTION/ALT and press the arrow keys to nudge the freeform in
1-pixel increments.
===================
http://www.gmayor.com/Character_Units.htm
===================

1. Under the bonnet ("hood" for our American friends playing along at
home), Word measures things like margins and tab stops in points. The
inches or centimetres that are displayed in (eg) the Page Setup dialog box
are just to amuse we humans. So bear in mind that occasionally you can set
something to, say, 7cm, and Word will later come back and tell you it's
6.99cm. Word manages these conversions a lot better than some other
programs, but you hit the conversion problem occasionally.

Strictly speaking, Word's fundamental units aren't even points, they are
twips. A twip is 1/20th of a point. Dimensions for everything in Word are
stored internally as 16-bit integers of twips. That is why the maximum page
size that Word will support is about 22"x22" - 22 inches is about 2^15
twips.
===================

Nope: You can change the graduations DISPLAYED on the ruler!! But what we
have been whinging about for a few years is that you cannot actually change
the snap-to indents along the ruler.

They remain stubbornly in the Olde Worlde measuring system

Cheers


On 12/7/07 2:47 PM, in article C2BB31A5.276A1%[email protected],

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set
for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/12/07 12:51 AM, in article C2BBE94E.531E%[email protected], "John

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like a
bit more control


On 12/7/07 2:12 PM, in article
C2BB2974.27696%[email protected],

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed
when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be adjusted
by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left & right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone
to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/11/07 11:30 PM, in article C2BBD66A.5313%[email protected], "John

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413) on
OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it.
Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal
style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name.
That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update
the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods
thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jefferis Peterson, Pres.
Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Russ:

Tabs will snap in the ruler if you are NOT holding the Alt key down

But only in increments of fractions of an inch.

Which is why I usually give up and go into the Format>Style dialog and do it
the hard way...

Word's favourite indents: 0.63 cm and 1.27 cm and 2.54 cm make absolutely no
sense in all but one of the world's 190-something countries

Cheers

True,
I wasn't able to change the graduation marks on the ruler for a particular
measurement units like inches. However, for drawing objects, I created with
the options, a Viewable grid pattern with squares .5" by .5" and the snap to
grid did work. For moving tabs, I would hold down the ALT/OPT key to see
more information, but those don't snap anyway.

That's all good stuff But the snap points on the ruler remain at (I
can't remember: is in 1/16 of an inch?) regardless of what you set as your
"measurement unit"

Try it

More message and Word Help snippets on the subject of rulers and grids:

===================
You can change the ruler graduations by clicking on Tools | Options |
General | Measurement units: Centimeters | OK. You can change the
snap-to-grid interval when you drag along the horizontal and vertical
rulers by displaying the Drawing toolbar (View | Toolbars | Drawing),
clicking on Draw | Grid, and changing the horizontal and vertical
spacing to 0.25 cm or 0.5 cm or whatever.
===================
Tip To temporarily override grid settings, hold down Command key as you
drag or draw an object.
===================
€ To automatically align objects on an invisible grid, select the Snap
objects to grid check box.
€
To automatically align objects with gridlines that go through the vertical
and horizontal edges of other shapes, select the Snap objects to other
objects check
===================
€ Hold down OPTION/ALT and press the arrow keys to nudge the freeform in
1-pixel increments.
===================
http://www.gmayor.com/Character_Units.htm
===================
1. Under the bonnet ("hood" for our American friends playing along at
home), Word measures things like margins and tab stops in points. The
inches or centimetres that are displayed in (eg) the Page Setup dialog box
are just to amuse we humans. So bear in mind that occasionally you can set
something to, say, 7cm, and Word will later come back and tell you it's
6.99cm. Word manages these conversions a lot better than some other
programs, but you hit the conversion problem occasionally.

Strictly speaking, Word's fundamental units aren't even points, they are
twips. A twip is 1/20th of a point. Dimensions for everything in Word are
stored internally as 16-bit integers of twips. That is why the maximum page
size that Word will support is about 22"x22" - 22 inches is about 2^15
twips.
===================




Nope: You can change the graduations DISPLAYED on the ruler!! But what we
have been whinging about for a few years is that you cannot actually change
the snap-to indents along the ruler.

They remain stubbornly in the Olde Worlde measuring system

Cheers


On 12/7/07 2:47 PM, in article C2BB31A5.276A1%[email protected],

Well, If you hold the Option Key while dragging the markers you can adjust
in 1/100th inch increments (or whatever your measurement system is set
for).

Just exactly how much of a control freak are you?... Don't answer that ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/12/07 12:51 AM, in article C2BBE94E.531E%[email protected], "John

Oh yeah... You're right...

It never occurred to me to use the ruler for setting margins I like
a
bit more control


On 12/7/07 2:12 PM, in article
C2BB2974.27696%[email protected],

Sorry, John, but you sure can... If the vertical ruler is displayed
when
you go to H/F view the white segment of the ruler indicates the height &
position (Top & Bottom Header margin) of the header. Both can be
adjusted
by
dragging the markers on the ruler - just the same as setting left &
right
margins on the Horizontal ruler.

It never occurred to me to mention that because I've never known anyone
to
change it - other than the fact that I've played with it once or
twice

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/11/07 11:30 PM, in article C2BBD66A.5313%[email protected], "John

Hi Jeff:

Ah! OK, I can see what's wrong -- you're in the wrong place. You
can't
adjust header size with a slider That's (probably) the Split Pane
control tat gives you two views into the same document.

In the Word Help, search on the word 'header' and read the help topic
"Adjust the vertical position of a header or footer"

Cheers


On 11/7/07 2:48 AM, in article C2B937A8.5AD8F%[email protected],

Hi Folks,
I'm sorry I don't have more info yet. I'm using Word 11.3.5(070413)
on
OSX
10.4.10

I opened up the side rulers on the third page, where the problem
is/was
occurring and tried to move the slider up to shorten the header [it is
about
1/4 of the page with no tabs or returns], but instead, the header
ruler
then
jumps and makes the entire page a header, rather than reducing it.
Odd.
Anyway, I'm not sure but I delete modifications made to the Normal
style
which for some reason, rather than creating a new style when
requested,
edited the Normal style and added the mod description to the name.
That
seems to have fixed it on one document. I then turned off auto update
the
style.


That seems to have fixed it for now. There was nothing in the mods
thought
that should have created the problem. It was changing the font to
Adobe
Garamond Pro and centering the text.

Jeff

~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Web Design and Marketing
http://www.PetersonSales.com

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