Hebrew for Office - Virtual PC

[laurinda young]

I am trying to work in office X and exchange files with someone
working in Office on a PC. To overcome the problem of the unsuported
right to left text formatting in Office X I am considering using
Virtual PC and a PC version of Office. Does anyone know if that would
overcome the problem.
Thanks.

Laurinda

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I am trying to work in office X and exchange files with someone
working in Office on a PC. To overcome the problem of the unsuported
right to left text formatting in Office X I am considering using
Virtual PC and a PC version of Office. Does anyone know if that would
overcome the problem.

Yes, it would. It would be just the same as using Office Windows on a real
PC. You should try to get Office 2003 if it's available, otherwise 2000 or
XP would be fine (perhaps 2000 by preference).

 

[Andreas Prilop]

I am trying to work in office X and exchange files with someone
working in Office on a PC. To overcome the problem of the unsuported
right to left text formatting in Office X I am considering using
Virtual PC and a PC version of Office.

Consider using another program such as InDesign, Mellel or Nisus.
<http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/#programs>

 

[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

Yes, it would. It would be just the same as using Office Windows on a real
PC. You should try to get Office 2003 if it's available, otherwise 2000 or
XP would be fine (perhaps 2000 by preference).

I take issue with the comment: "Yes, it would. It would be just the same as using
Office Windows on a real PC."

The Macintosh is a real PC. It just uses Apple built components and a different OS.
With the advent of OSX which is UNIX under the hood we have a system which is not
killed by a defective application(unlike any form of Windows). If the Application
dies you simply crank it up and start from the point of the last save before it
died. And the Mac uses a Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) processor which
executes code much faster the Complex Instruction Set Computing Processor inside
Intel Machines.

So while the Mac is different than Windows Boxes, It never-the-less is still a PC
(Personal Computer).

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[Paul Berkowitz]

I take issue with the comment: "Yes, it would. It would be just the same as
using
Office Windows on a real PC."

The Macintosh is a real PC. It just uses Apple built components and a
different OS.
With the advent of OSX which is UNIX under the hood we have a system which is
not
killed by a defective application(unlike any form of Windows). If the
Application
dies you simply crank it up and start from the point of the last save before
it
died. And the Mac uses a Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) processor
which
executes code much faster the Complex Instruction Set Computing Processor
inside
Intel Machines.

So while the Mac is different than Windows Boxes, It never-the-less is still a
PC
(Personal Computer).

Oh, for goodness' sake. Yes, a Mac is a Personal Computer.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word]]

Hi Phillip:

If you are going to attempt to call one of the Internet's most recognised
Mac Addicts on Macintosh matters, you may decide not to add to your
humiliation by getting your facts wrong

With the advent of OSX which is UNIX under the hood we have a system which is
not
killed by a defective application(unlike any form of Windows).

I remain surprised at how long your prejudices persist. The ability for a
defective application to kill Windows disappeared with Windows 2000. It
must be at least four years since you even did any reading on the subject.

And the Mac uses a Reduced Instruction Set Computing (RISC) processor
which executes code much faster the Complex Instruction Set Computing

Processor inside Intel Machines.

Again: If that were true, we would all be using Macs. Sorry Phillip: Time
to have a look at the world outside YOUR windows

{Cough... Ahem... Sorry people: I couldn't resist a good troll in the
morning...)

Cheers

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[Dayo Mitchell]

Oh, for goodness' sake. Yes, a Mac is a Personal Computer.

Recently I have made a personal resolution to refer to WinWord instead of PC
Word...I even save a syllable!

Too much trouble to do much about referring to the computer itself as a PC,
though...

Dayo

 

[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

:




Recently I have made a personal resolution to refer to WinWord instead of PC
Word...I even save a syllable!

Too much trouble to do much about referring to the computer itself as a PC,
though...

Dayo

simply use Mac, and WindowsPC. Or MacPC and WindowsPC.

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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

Hi Phillip:

If you are going to attempt to call one of the Internet's most recognised
Mac Addicts on Macintosh matters, you may decide not to add to your
humiliation by getting your facts wrong

This responds to article <[email protected]>, from



I remain surprised at how long your prejudices persist. The ability for a
defective application to kill Windows disappeared with Windows 2000. It
must be at least four years since you even did any reading on the subject.



Processor inside Intel Machines.

Again: If that were true, we would all be using Macs. Sorry Phillip: Time
to have a look at the world outside YOUR windows

{Cough... Ahem... Sorry people: I couldn't resist a good troll in the
morning...)

Cheers

Sir: You may think I am a Troll. I "am not" and never have been.

I've dealt with Computer when I worked for a County School System Both Mac's and
WindowsPC's. I seldom had problems with the Mac's ion fact I only relaced one Power
Supply in the 17 years I worked there on a Mac. I orked on/or replace enough
WindowsPC power Supplies I probably lite up the city I live in for a week. Also on
the WIN PCs Hard Drives that would lock and have to be replaced at least once yaer
if not sooner. CD Rom Drives that constantly died. Floppy drives that would have to
be exchanged multiple times.

As for the OS I agree I haven't dealt with anything later than W95. But I ave on
ocassion for Friends have looked at computers with W98, 2000, Its my understand that
MS simply renamed Windows NT for all OS afterwards they are basically NT under the
hood. In any event I have seen an application or two crash a system on 98 and 2000.

OS9 and Lower on Mac were not perfect either there were extensions, Control Panels
and Applications that would bring down the system. It was relatively easy to cure
simply remove the defective extension, or Control panel or application. by just
draging to trash restarting and emptying.

ON windows ther can be many items to trouble shoot .dll files, having to use the
regedit. I could go on and on.

Ocassionally I have been receiving PCWorld Magazines and I o read them. It my
understanding from those that modern Intel Processors have been going more and more
to RISC components within the processor but are still a mix of CISC and RISC.

The PowerPC prossor since the processor in the 6100 has been one hundred percent RISC.

My information may be out of date because I am retired. But I m not a Troll.

Beside I thought this was newsgroup for Mac Problems. Not as tool to bait someone
into a platform Flame War. If you want and love to use an WindowsPC fine that's your
Choice. It My Choice to use the Mac Platform because due to "my" personal experience
working and using, I find the Mac system a Far better system. And, I don't have to
work about those gazillions of PC Worms, Trogans , and Viruses with two or three
coming out evry week.

So from now on I just make the comment That there are Mac PC's and WindowsPC's as
well as UNIXPC's.
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[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Phillip,

Sir: You may think I am a Troll. I "am not" and never have been.

I'm afraid you misunderstood John. He was not calling *you* a troll. He
was referring to *himself*. I'm sure he'll be by here later to clarify more
fully but I didn't want to leave you believing that's what he meant. He
didn't.

Regards,

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[Corentin Cras-Méneur [MVP]]

I'm afraid you misunderstood John. He was not calling *you* a troll. He
was referring to *himself*. I'm sure he'll be by here later to clarify more
fully but I didn't want to leave you believing that's what he meant. He
didn't.

That's also how I understood it...
Phillip, I've seen you posting in the groups for quite some time now and I
don't remember you posting anything out of place.
<doge>
and John didn't yet post back because he probably has the *blue screen of
death* on his PC ;-))))))
</dodge>


Corentin

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word]]

Hi Phillip:

Beth was right: I did not think you were trolling, but I certainly was
I knew you would bite

Cheers

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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

Hi Phillip,





I'm afraid you misunderstood John. He was not calling *you* a troll. He
was referring to *himself*. I'm sure he'll be by here later to clarify more
fully but I didn't want to leave you believing that's what he meant. He
didn't.

Regards,

Thank appreciate the support. I just wanted to make it known I am not a Troll.

Sometimes I may say something that's out of date. I have been retired for years.
(I got that "Run Down" from a 76 Chrysler Imperial and rode the hood of the car into
a TV shop.) But I base what I say on my experience of working on Computer equipment,
when I as working.
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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

Hi Phillip:

Beth was right: I did not think you were trolling, but I certainly was
I knew you would bite

Cheers

All I as really trying to Point out originally was that a Mac is a PC (Personal
Computer as well as Window/INTEL/AMD Computer is a PC.

You have to remember that when your on a Mac oriented newsgroup you have to remember
where you are.

I've been through the Platform Wars. Don't want to do it again. :-(

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[Paul Berkowitz]

All I as really trying to Point out originally was that a Mac is a PC
(Personal
Computer as well as Window/INTEL/AMD Computer is a PC.

You have to remember that when your on a Mac oriented newsgroup you have to
remember
where you are.

I've been through the Platform Wars. Don't want to do it again. :-(

It might have been better just to leave things be in that case. The original
poster used the term "PC" as 95% of people do, to refer to a computer
running a Microsoft Windows OS. It's not accurate in the sense that "PC"
should not exclude Macs, as you have said, but nevertheless it's what most
people mean and what that user clearly meant. The alternate usage that used
to be seen frequently - "Wintel" - is also no longer accurate since many of
these Windows-running computers no longer use an Intel chip but rather AMD
or something else. I'm quite aware that a Mac is also a personal computer.
Nevertheless, it was simplest just to use the original poster's own language
and refer to it as a PC, so that's what I did in my answer. You took
exception to that, leading to the rest of this thread. Was it worth it?

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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

John McGhie [MVP - Word] wrote:

Hi Phillip:

Beth was right: I did not think you were trolling, but I certainly was
I knew you would bite

Cheers

All I as really trying to Point out originally was that a Mac is a PC
(Personal
Computer as well as Window/INTEL/AMD Computer is a PC.

You have to remember that when your on a Mac oriented newsgroup you have to
remember
where you are.

I've been through the Platform Wars. Don't want to do it again. :-(

It might have been better just to leave things be in that case. The original
poster used the term "PC" as 95% of people do, to refer to a computer
running a Microsoft Windows OS. It's not accurate in the sense that "PC"
should not exclude Macs, as you have said, but nevertheless it's what most
people mean and what that user clearly meant. The alternate usage that used
to be seen frequently - "Wintel" - is also no longer accurate since many of
these Windows-running computers no longer use an Intel chip but rather AMD
or something else. I'm quite aware that a Mac is also a personal computer.
Nevertheless, it was simplest just to use the original poster's own language
and refer to it as a PC, so that's what I did in my answer. You took
exception to that, leading to the rest of this thread. Was it worth it?

Not really but you have to remember us Mac people very sentitive. We've taken years
of abuse and being made fun of, for using one "of those Mac's" :-(

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[John McGhie [MVP - Word]]

Really Phillip:

Sometimes I wonder if you read anyone else's posts at all

The point *I* was trying to make is that there is no more Mac-Centric
Mac-O-Phile on the entire Internet than PAUL!!

I am the one who is dually-afflicted. The closest Paul ever gets to a PC is
Virtual PC, which won't even run on his box 'cause he is rich and has a
dual-processor speed demon... <g, d & r r r r r>

Cheers

John McGhie [MVP - Word] wrote:


Hi Phillip:

Beth was right: I did not think you were trolling, but I certainly was
I knew you would bite

Cheers


All I as really trying to Point out originally was that a Mac is a PC
(Personal
Computer as well as Window/INTEL/AMD Computer is a PC.

You have to remember that when your on a Mac oriented newsgroup you have to
remember
where you are.

I've been through the Platform Wars. Don't want to do it again. :-(

It might have been better just to leave things be in that case. The original
poster used the term "PC" as 95% of people do, to refer to a computer
running a Microsoft Windows OS. It's not accurate in the sense that "PC"
should not exclude Macs, as you have said, but nevertheless it's what most
people mean and what that user clearly meant. The alternate usage that used
to be seen frequently - "Wintel" - is also no longer accurate since many of
these Windows-running computers no longer use an Intel chip but rather AMD
or something else. I'm quite aware that a Mac is also a personal computer.
Nevertheless, it was simplest just to use the original poster's own language
and refer to it as a PC, so that's what I did in my answer. You took
exception to that, leading to the rest of this thread. Was it worth it?

Not really but you have to remember us Mac people very sentitive. We've taken
years
of abuse and being made fun of, for using one "of those Mac's" :-(

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[Paul Berkowitz]

Really Phillip:

Sometimes I wonder if you read anyone else's posts at all

The point *I* was trying to make is that there is no more Mac-Centric
Mac-O-Phile on the entire Internet than PAUL!!

I am the one who is dually-afflicted. The closest Paul ever gets to a PC is
Virtual PC, which won't even run on his box 'cause he is rich and has a
dual-processor speed demon... <g, d & r r r r r>

(John means I have a G5 - they can't run VPC 6 or earlier. Dual processor
G4s can run VPC fine. And anyone foolish enough to have bought one of those
single-processor G5s also can't run VPC. That just shows how much John knows
about Macs. <g, d & r not too far> .

OK, I plead guilty to being Mac-centric, while acknowledging that Outlook
Windows has a lot that Entourage doesn't have although is less easy to work
with. As for being rich - John has a G4 PowerBook while I have a simple G3
iBook. So there. And I got a very steep discount on the G5 through being a
sort of Mac developer. So there. ;-)

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[laurinda young]

Thank you all who answered the question. I have tried using Mellel,
which does format the text correctly but I don't seem to be able to
exchange files with a 'PC' user (please don't let's go down that route
again).
Has anyone actually used Virtual PC with a 'PC' version of Office and
been successful in writing a document in English and Hebrew (right to
left). I presume I would still need the 'PC' scripting tools. This
would seem to be a solution to the problem of Microsoft not supporting
Hebrew in the Mac version of Office.

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word]]

Hi Laurinda:

Office 2003 in Windows XP runs fine on this G4 TiBook.

It's fairly slow on a 667 MHz processor. The key to making Virtual PC move
is power and memory: lots of both. I have 1 GB of memory on this laptop,
and I would not be trying to run Office 2003 in VPC with much less.

Yes, Word 2003 will do a fine job with Right-to-Left languages in Word 2003.
And yes, you do need to buy the Hebrew version of Office 2003 and the Hebrew
version of Windows XP to ensure that you get all of the things that you
need.

Office 2003 relies heavily on Windows for its Right to Left (and Top to
Bottom...) capabilities. So you need a copy of Windows XP localised for the
languages you are interested in.

You may want to telephone Microsoft in Israel to get the best advice on
which versions to buy. If you are getting nowhere, get back to us here, and
one of us will make the enquiries for you.

Hope this helps


This responds to article <[email protected]>,

Thank you all who answered the question. I have tried using Mellel,
which does format the text correctly but I don't seem to be able to
exchange files with a 'PC' user (please don't let's go down that route
again).
Has anyone actually used Virtual PC with a 'PC' version of Office and
been successful in writing a document in English and Hebrew (right to
left). I presume I would still need the 'PC' scripting tools. This
would seem to be a solution to the problem of Microsoft not supporting
Hebrew in the Mac version of Office.

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