Help Needed with FP 2000 Discussion Web Wizard

[JAJansenJr]

I don't know if this is the right message board for this post. If it is not, please accept apologies in advance

I am trying to set up a simple discussion board on a web site using the FrontPage 2000 Discussion Web Wizard

The attempt may be viewed at http://www.customprograms.info/guestbook3/disc2_toc.ht

When I try to post something I get an error message. The message implies server extensions may not be installed but doing a Google search located a page which suggests the message may be meaningless

I need to get a simple discussion board up and running as soon as possible, and the Wizard seemed a good solution

Please - anyone who can point me to a solution - I will be most grateful

JAJansenJ
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[Thomas A. Rowe]

1. Does the remote server have the FP extensions installed?
2. If Yes, did you publish the site to the remote server via FP's http mode
(http://www.domainname.com) which is required. FTP can not be used.

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I don't know if this is the right message board for this post. If it is not, please accept apologies in advance.

I am trying to set up a simple discussion board on a web site using the FrontPage 2000 Discussion Web Wizard.

The attempt may be viewed at http://www.customprograms.info/guestbook3/disc2_toc.htm

When I try to post something I get an error message. The message implies server extensions may

not be installed but doing a Google search located a page which suggests the message may be
meaningless.

 

[FrontPageForms]

JA,

In addition to what Thomas mentioned, the guestbook is
defaulted to guestlog.htm and the file is set to HTML
definition list.

If you changed either of these, you could have rendered
you guestbook useless.

A URL for you guestbook page would be helpful.

Mike Smith,
http://FrontPag.Bizland.com
Form Tutorials & Form Script Examples

-----Original Message-----
I don't know if this is the right message board for this

post. If it is not, please accept apologies in advance.

I am trying to set up a simple discussion board on a web

site using the FrontPage 2000 Discussion Web Wizard.

The attempt may be viewed at http://www.customprograms.info/guestbook3/disc2_toc.htm

When I try to post something I get an error message. The

message implies server extensions may not be installed but
doing a Google search located a page which suggests the
message may be meaningless.

I need to get a simple discussion board up and running as

soon as possible, and the Wizard seemed a good solution.

 

[JAJansenJr]

I have tried in the past to publish to the server by http mode but, for whatever reason, the password screen (name and password) is not accepted. I have no difficulty moving pages to the server using WS_FTP LE, using the same name and password

I am not certain about FrontPage extensions being installed. Is there a way to query the server to find out if FrontPage extensions are installed.

JAJansenJ
(e-mail address removed)

 

[FrontPageForms]

JA,

Looks like you have placed your Discussion Web files in a
folder or subweb. Try setting these up in the root web so
they would be like ...

http://www.customprograms.info/disc2_toc.htm

I think the extensions will locate them by using this
approach.

Mike Smith,
http://FrontPag.Bizland.com
Form Tutorials & Form Script Examples

-----Original Message-----
I have tried in the past to publish to the server by http

mode but, for whatever reason, the password screen (name
and password) is not accepted. I have no difficulty
moving pages to the server using WS_FTP LE, using the
same name and password.

I am not certain about FrontPage extensions being

installed. Is there a way to query the server to find out
if FrontPage extensions are installed.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Have you contacted your host?

If the extensions are not installed or if they are and you have used FTP, then you have most likely
corrupted the extensions and the host will need to re-install them.

In any case, no FP run-time component, will work when uploaded via FTP.

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I have tried in the past to publish to the server by http mode but, for whatever reason, the

password screen (name and password) is not accepted. I have no difficulty moving pages to the
server using WS_FTP LE, using the same name and password.

I am not certain about FrontPage extensions being installed. Is there a way to query the server

to find out if FrontPage extensions are installed.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

The FP extensions are installed on your account, so it seems that you have corrupt them by using
FTP.

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I have tried in the past to publish to the server by http mode but, for whatever reason, the

password screen (name and password) is not accepted. I have no difficulty moving pages to the
server using WS_FTP LE, using the same name and password.

I am not certain about FrontPage extensions being installed. Is there a way to query the server

to find out if FrontPage extensions are installed.

 

[JAJansenJr]

As mentioned, I have tried the publish command in FrontPage 2000 and cannot get past the password screen. It makes no sense to me that using FTP to move pages to the server would corrupt the Front Page extensions, but if this is so then I am stuck with the question of why the publish command isn't working

I will try moving the pages to the root directory

As to "the guestbook is defaulted to guestlog.htm and the file set to HTML definition list", I used the FrontPage 2000 discussion group wizard to generate the code and made no changes.

What I probably need is a good tutorial on forms, but my sad experience is that good tutorials are the exception rather than the rule. The difficulty nearly always is in the lack of examples of code which works. Anything you can suggest in the line of good tutorials with examples would be welcome

Thanks very much for your responses

JAJansenJ
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Are you using File Publish Web and then entering your URL as http://www.customprograms.info/

You will Not be able to publish using FP until your host Repairs or Reinstalls the FP Server Extensions
- using 3rd party FTP has corrupted them

To find out if they have been fixed try opening your online site in FP
File Open web and enter http://www.customprograms.info/ and log in

PS
You have links pointing to your hard drive as in
file:///C:/My%20Documents/My%20Webs/coralie20/scoutingresources.htm

Always Open your FP web to work on page and File Import any not in your web before linking to them - then save your pages before
publishing



| As mentioned, I have tried the publish command in FrontPage 2000 and cannot get past the password screen. It makes no sense to me
that using FTP to move pages to the server would corrupt the Front Page extensions, but if this is so then I am stuck with the
question of why the publish command isn't working.
|
| I will try moving the pages to the root directory.
|
| As to "the guestbook is defaulted to guestlog.htm and the file set to HTML definition list", I used the FrontPage 2000 discussion
group wizard to generate the code and made no changes.
|
| What I probably need is a good tutorial on forms, but my sad experience is that good tutorials are the exception rather than the
rule. The difficulty nearly always is in the lack of examples of code which works. Anything you can suggest in the line of good
tutorials with examples would be welcome.
|
| Thanks very much for your responses.
|
| JAJansenJr
| (e-mail address removed)
|
|

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

When you use FTP to upload content, the extensions on the server are not aware that any changes have
been made to your web content. The reason the extensions get corrupted is because users upload the
_vti folder to the server, overwriting the ones create by the extensions on the server. The _vti
folder are never published between webs/machines.

If the remote server has the FP extensions, and you plan to use them and the features that require
them, then do not use FTP to upload content unless you understand how the extensions work or ask
here first with a detail description of why you need to use FTP.

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Yes, I am using File Publish Web and entering the URL.

I will ask that FrontPage extensions be reinstalled. It still is unclear why putting up pages

with FTP would disable FrontPage extensions. Presumably FrontPage extensions are files and if I am
not FTPing files on top of the extensions files then why would the extensions be disabled.

Tried opening using File Open Web and entering http://www.customprograms.info and get a message

"The folder http://www.customprograms.info isn't accessible. The folder may be located on an
unavailable volume or protected with a password."

 

[JAJansenJr]

Server extensions have been reloaded

The latest incident in this unfolding story is I just tried to download the site at http://www.customprograms.info into FrontPage 2000 using the Import Web Wizard and it did not download the entire site

I suppose as long as I don't need to change anything that didn't download I can use the Publish change pages only and I should be ok

But it makes no sense that the entire site wouldn't download. Tried a download the other day before the extensions were reloaded and it didn't download everything then either - although it downloaded fewer pages since the download today with the server extensions installed

It will be interesting to see if - with the server extensions reinstalled - whether the pages produced by the discussion web wizard will work

JAJansenJ
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Stefan B Rusynko]

Don't Import an Extended Web
Open the online web in FP and publish it to local




| Server extensions have been reloaded.
|
| The latest incident in this unfolding story is I just tried to download the site at http://www.customprograms.info into FrontPage
2000 using the Import Web Wizard and it did not download the entire site.
|
| I suppose as long as I don't need to change anything that didn't download I can use the Publish change pages only and I should be
ok.
|
| But it makes no sense that the entire site wouldn't download. Tried a download the other day before the extensions were reloaded
and it didn't download everything then either - although it downloaded fewer pages since the download today with the server
extensions installed.
|
| It will be interesting to see if - with the server extensions reinstalled - whether the pages produced by the discussion web
wizard will work.
|
| JAJansenJr
| (e-mail address removed)

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

See:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;196126&Product=fp2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;250626&Product=fp2000

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Success!

After the reinstallation of the extensions the discussion board at

http://www.customprogram.info/guesttest3/ works.

I need some further help. I have figured out how to delete unwanted messages (delete them from

the _disc2 folder) but I haven't figured out how to delete the entry(s) on the table of contents
page (disc2_toc.htm). I will probably be able to figure this out but anyone with a more experienced
eye for the code in this sort of thing is invited to suggest what needs to be done. A discussion
board - at a minimum - must have some way for an administrator to delete messages.

The remaining fly in the ointment is that I still can't publish from within FP 2000. The symptom

is the password screen appears but it will not take the name and password provided to me. Has
anyone run into this sort of thing before, and, if so, what is the solution?

 

[JAJansenJr]

Thanks for the articles. I found that deleting the toc file in the folder with the messages fixed the table of contents. So the discussion web is looking doable.

Still puzzled about publishing from within FrontPage 2000. Curiously, I can enter
"ftp://www.customprograms.info/guesttest3/ in Internet Explorer 5 and can then see the files after entering the password in the screen that appears. I deleted the files related to the messages while therein. I then found that I could subsequently could post a message on the discussion board, so this manner of using ftp did not mess up the extensions - apparently. It remains to be seen if I can edit and create files by using an ftp address in Internet Explorer without messing up the extensions.

Anyone have any idea why the publish password screen won't accept my password?

Thanks for all the help.

JAJansenJr
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

If your site has the FP extensions, why do you feel the need to use FTP to open, upload or edit
pages when you should be able to open the site directly in FP and work on your content, which would
ensure that FP always knows what content is within the web.

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Thanks for the articles. I found that deleting the toc file in the folder with the messages fixed

the table of contents. So the discussion web is looking doable.

Still puzzled about publishing from within FrontPage 2000. Curiously, I can enter
"ftp://www.customprograms.info/guesttest3/ in Internet Explorer 5 and can then see the files after

entering the password in the screen that appears. I deleted the files related to the messages while
therein. I then found that I could subsequently could post a message on the discussion board, so
this manner of using ftp did not mess up the extensions - apparently. It remains to be seen if I
can edit and create files by using an ftp address in Internet Explorer without messing up the
extensions.

 

[JAJansenJr]

The answer is that I have been unable to publish from within Frontpage

My most recent FTP replaced everything within the /guesttest3 folder and this interfered with the extensions in some way. So I have asked that the extensions be reloaded

It remains to learn why I cannot publish from within Frontpage. The password screen shows up and the correct (as far as I know) name and password are not accepted.

 

[Steve Easton]

If you use FTP to publish:
1. You will break the extensions every time.
2. All of the necessary files are not published, because FrontPage sees that it is
publishing via FTP therefore it does not publish the files necessary to run features that
require extensions.

Always publish using http:// to an extended server.

If it won't accept your user name and password you need to have your host fix it.

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The answer is that I have been unable to publish from within Frontpage.

My most recent FTP replaced everything within the /guesttest3 folder and this interfered

with the extensions in some way. So I have asked that the extensions be reloaded.

It remains to learn why I cannot publish from within Frontpage. The password screen

shows up and the correct (as far as I know) name and password are not accepted.

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

Ask your host to re-set your login info after they have re-applied the extensions for your account.

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The answer is that I have been unable to publish from within Frontpage.

My most recent FTP replaced everything within the /guesttest3 folder and this interfered with the

extensions in some way. So I have asked that the extensions be reloaded.

It remains to learn why I cannot publish from within Frontpage. The password screen shows up and

the correct (as far as I know) name and password are not accepted.

 

[allen]

1.) _Exactly_ what address are you trying to publish to?
Are you typing it in each time? Is it the http address of
the root? (http://www.yourdomain.com/)

Have you checked with your provider to ensure you are not
attempting to publish to a folder in your site -- or an
alias? Assuming they have other FP users, they should be
able to walk you through the problem on the phone or by
email. If not, it is possible that your provider has
problems that may never be resolved, and a change of
providers is in order. Changing providers can be very
easy -- and satisfying. You can also save money. Some of
the cheaper providers are also very good.

And, is there some reason you do not just open the web in FP
and make your alterations there? You can work on either
copy, assuming your connect time is not expensive or
otherwise limited. I work on all my webs -- live -- in FP,
editing either the or local copy or the remote copy, as I
see fit, and I am on 28.8 dialup. (Some of them are pretty
big). I have no use for FTP, since all files can be moved
between the various web copies using publish. (You can
even hang up your connection during the periods where you
are not moving or publishing or working on the remote site,
but you can keep all sites open, and everything works when
you connect again).

'Drag and drop' also works between any and all of the sites
that you may have open at one time in FP -- and your local
directories, too, for that matter, so, if you open both
copies, and any local source directories, you can drag and
drop among them.

I often have five or six sites and copies open at once.
After a complete publish, minor changes can be co-ordinated
by right clicking the changed file and selcting 'publish
file', (making sure I am publishing to the correct site).

FWIW, I don't update all my software the day the new version
comes out, but, FP has always been an exception. FP 2003 is
much better than 2000. My only dislike is the fact that it
looks as if it may expire at some point, and also has to be
activated. So far this has not been a problem -- I have not
needed to change hardware -- but at some point, those
nuisances may force me to switch to one the of the other
solutions that are available.

Forget FTP. It really has no use on an FP site, except,
perhaps for expert users, and I am not sure about that..

allen
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