Highlight Active Window Title Bar (Office 2007)

K

Kym

With Office 2007, the colour of the title bar does not change for the active
window, making it difficult to identify controls (Minimise, tile, close) or
to click and move when you have multiple office windows on screen.

I'd like to see the active window highlighted as in previous office versions.

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B

Beth Melton

My title bar changes for the inactive window. The change is subtle, a
variation in the shade of the color, but there is indeed a change.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Coauthor of Word 2007 Inside Out:
http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/books/9801.aspx#AboutTheBook

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K

Kym

Beth,

it's too subtle ... my users (and I) keep accidentally closing the wrong
windows, sometimes losing valuable work.

I prefer the Active Window to be clearly identified.

Regards
 
K

Kym

They are losing work because, while they are being prompted to save, they
think they are closing a "throw away" document. Yes, maybe they should read
the screen (it's always been my advice) but the reality is that they dont and
our corporation has been seriously disadvantaged by lost work due to a GUI
change that goes away from the normal windows GUI.

Beth, I find your attitude to an issue that I posted in good faith to be
less than helpful and the tone of your last reply provacative.

This post was made in an attempt to provide Microsoft with feedback on what
I, an apparently others
(http://www.geekrant.org/2007/08/01/office-2007-title-bars/) are finding to
be a real problem.

Regards
 
B

Beth Melton

You found my "tone provocative"??? My response was an attempt to understand
how you are using the applications and how the 'wrong' window is being
closed. One never knows when an alternative solution for an issue can be
provided. There was nothing "provocative" about it. Do keep in mind you are
reading text and "tone" is difficult to convey in a non-verbal environment.

As for providing Microsoft with feedback, unfortunately, the Suggestions for
MS are essentially a black hole. :-(

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
 
K

Kym

Hi Beth,

Black Hole? Yes I agree, even though MS have at several TechEd venues
insisted that they monitor these threads I seriously doubt that anything
constructive comes out of them (I saw one post from a guy who couldn't read
the office DVD in his CD drive ... I can see why some valid posts get lost in
the noise)

I'll also be raising the issue with our MS Technical Account Manager.

I'll keep in mind your comments about reading text and tone perceptions if
you keep in mind writing text and tone perceptions :)

Have a good day Beth.
 
B

Beth Melton

I can see how on larger or dual monitors how determining the active window
can be a challenge. I tried the color schemes to see which worked the best
and the Black scheme seemed to make the inactive title bar stand out since
it turns gray. But if you aren't big on black then that may not work either.
:) I suspect a VBA solution could be used. Perhaps one that adds "Active
Window" or something along those lines to the title bar to help identify the
active/inactive window?? I do know the fact that Office 2007 doesn't adhere
to the Windows color schemes is a fairly big complaint.

The rationale behind the new UI is rather extensive. One of the primary
reasons was because they were running out of room in the applications.
Originally, the menus were designed to hold four menu items and the
applications had a single toolbar. (This was around the late 80s.) By Word
97 a total of 18 toolbars were available and cascading menus were finally
added because they were running out of room. They added the
adaptive/personalized menus and toolbars (abbreviated menus and showing the
Standard and Formatting toolbars on the same row) in Office 2000 as an
attempt to cut down on the screen clutter but that concept didn't go over
very well. Office 2002 saw the introduction of the task pane (another
attempt to find room for newly added features). By Word 2003, there were 31
toolbars, 19 task panes, and menus overflowing with commands. If you want
more in-depth information on the rationale behind the changes then here's a
link to Jensen Harris' blog that is very informative (it's where I got my
info. ;-) ):
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/tags/Why+the+New+UI_3F00_/default.aspx

I'll note I didn't like the new UI very much initially (okay, I hated it)
but once I started learning more about the new functionality the
applications had to offer I adapted and made the switch. Now I wonder how I
ever lived without some of them.

While this isn't related to the title bar, here are a few tips and
resources that may help in general:

- Learn more about the Quick Access Toolbar (the small toolbar next to the
Microsoft Office Button that has Save and Undo on it by default). It's easy
to customize and add those commands you frequently use. To add a command,
right-click the command, either on the Ribbon or those found under the
Microsoft Office Button, and then click "Add to Quick Access Toolbar". To
add an entire group, such as the Font group on the Home tab, right-click the
group name instead of a command in the group. To remove a command,
right-click it and you'll see the Remove command. To reorganize commands,
right-click the Quick Access Toolbar and then click "Customize the Quick
Access Toolbar". I set mine up in the beginning so it looked exactly like
the first part of the old Standard toolbar and the first part of the
Formatting toolbar. What a difference that made!

- Right-click *everything*. Unlike previous versions, some commands can only
be found by right-clicking a command. This includes the thumbnails found in
the Galleries as well.
- Use Interactive Guides to help you find commands you're unable to locate.
They can be found in Help or by using these links:

Excel : http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HA101491511033.aspx

PowerPoint: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint/HA101490761033.aspx

Word: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HA100744321033.aspx

- Spend a little time on Office Online. It contains a wealth of resources
from tips and tricks to training.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email cannot be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
 
B

Beth Melton

Kym said:
Hi Beth,

Black Hole? Yes I agree, even though MS have at several TechEd venues
insisted that they monitor these threads I seriously doubt that anything
constructive comes out of them (I saw one post from a guy who couldn't
read
the office DVD in his CD drive ... I can see why some valid posts get lost
in
the noise)

I suspect what you heard at TechEd was in reference to the Managed
Newsgroups. If one has an MSDN subscription (perhaps now TechNet too) you
get your question flagged for Microsoft response. Here's a bit more on this:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/aa974230.aspx

If you haven't taken the steps provided in the link then Microsoft doesn't
see the post. That's also why you might see someone from Microsoft PSS
answering a question or two here and there.
I'll keep in mind your comments about reading text and tone perceptions if
you keep in mind writing text and tone perceptions :)

Interestingly, in over 10 years of helping out voluntarily in these
newsgroups and posting well over 30,000 replies offering assistance, you are
one of the few to continue to perceive "a tone" in my replies.

~Beth Melton
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Kym,

I don't know if there is any more light at the end of the tunnel than in other suggestion boxes <g>, but you may want to add your
suggestion to the poll/feedback request on the Microsoft Word Team's blog at
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2008/01/04/wish-list-sort-of-for-2008.aspx


They're asking for folks to complete two sentences there, one on the product, one on the topics they cover in the blog (I think
<g>).


1. If the next version of Word improved my ability to x, it would make my life better because.

2. If the Word Team Blog improved my ability to x, it would make my life better because.

===============
Hi Beth,

Black Hole? Yes I agree, even though MS have at several TechEd venues
insisted that they monitor these threads I seriously doubt that anything
constructive comes out of them (I saw one post from a guy who couldn't read
the office DVD in his CD drive ... I can see why some valid posts get lost in
the noise)

I'll also be raising the issue with our MS Technical Account Manager.

I'll keep in mind your comments about reading text and tone perceptions if
you keep in mind writing text and tone perceptions :)

Have a good day Beth. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
L

latimer

My monitor (or maybe my eyes) make it very difficult to me to spot thos
subtle color changes in the new office title bar and I would love if
could change the setting to the standard XP behaviour.
I always wonder how MS build their GUI's.
Do they ever ask the users?
Why do they so often try to force the user to use a MS-defined way o
working or behaving?
There are settings for disabled people but what about red/gree
dischromatopsy or color blindness?
Also I would recommend more testing with people who suffer from RS
symptoms so that fewer mouse clicks and movements become an issue
 
J

Jim

It's not just the difference between the active and inactive title bars that
is a problem, the color difference between the title bar and the control
ribbons is also far too subtle. A good UI would have a title bar that is
distinct from the rest of the window as well as the title bar of the active
window being distinct from the inactive windows.

Although I haven't lost any data as a result of this degradation from Office
2003, it definitely has reduced my productivity.
 
R

Ry

As a follow up to this suggestion, I think it would be very powerful and
extend the use of Arrange Windows - particularly in 'tiles' - if there was a
way to highlight certain windows over others that have a higher priority.
For example, I am working in excel currently and have tiled windows for 12
workbooks tiled on my screen (believe it or not this is not uncommon for me -
especially when dealing with aggregating data from multiple time periods and
departments) and it would be great if there was an addin or builtin function
to right-click a window that I work in most frequently and assign this to
'high-priority' or something. Perhaps the window titlebar color would be
changed to red - for example. Perhaps lower priority windows would be green
etc etc.

Ryan
 
T

Thursdaysgeek

Yes, the color changes, but it changes to a lighter color than the inactive
color of all my other Windows applications. So, when I go to look for my
active app, Windows standards have taught me to look for the app with the
darker title bar, and that is never an Office 2007 app.

As programmers, we've been taught that it is not nice to impose our own
color scheme on the users, and that we should use the colors that they
choose. Why is MS breaking their own standard, especially one that actually
is a good UI design?

I keep grabbing windows that I don't want. I don't close or lose data, but
it's getting really annoying to always have to try twice when I want to move
the position of my active window. I was hoping to search and find out how
to change the colors, not to find out that it's not possible. Oh, and
changing just the Office colors to silver or black (ugly!) is still not a
solution -- the colors NEED to be the same as I set the other applications!

-Karen
 

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