How to add a page in an existing newsletter

[TV Producer]

I've created a newsletter from the project templates. Originally set
up a 3 page newsletter that I need to expand into four pages. How do I
add a page to the newsletter? In the same style template? I'm stumped
on this one. Hope someone has some directions for this novice Word
Producer more comfortable editing video for a documentary than blind
man's bluff on MS Word. (Humor). Hope someone can assist. Thanks in
advance! Steve, in DFW Texas.

 

[Elliott Roper]

I've created a newsletter from the project templates. Originally set
up a 3 page newsletter that I need to expand into four pages. How do I
add a page to the newsletter? In the same style template? I'm stumped
on this one. Hope someone has some directions for this novice Word
Producer more comfortable editing video for a documentary than blind
man's bluff on MS Word. (Humor). Hope someone can assist. Thanks in
advance! Steve, in DFW Texas.

Good Grief! I had never looked at the Newsletter Wizard before. It is
text box nightmare in there.

Shudder!

To add another page to an existing newsletter doc, simply add a page
break. Hop into Normal View (everything but the page breaks disappear)
and insert another. ctrl-return.
It is all of DFW to a burnt match that fragile layout of text boxes
will crumble to bits, but if you are really lucky, the new page will be
where you want it.
If I were a nicer person, I'd give you better advice, but I'd *never*
use anything as flaky as that newsletter template in the first place.

I'd use InDesign for that kind of job if I were being paid for it. If
not, I'd look at Apple's Pages (which I haven't yet)

Now, I have this Final Cut Pro question...
(only joking)

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Steve,

I just went to the Project Gallery to access a newsletter template so I
could see what you're talking about, and found that all my Office templates
have done a disappearing act. I'll have to fix that, of course, but in the
meantime, I have nothing to refer to. So let me just wing it here.

If you open a new document in Word (not from a template), a second page will
not be created until there's too much content to be contained by the first
page. In other words, if I open a document, type a sentence and then keep
hitting Return, eventually I will have created so many empty paragraphs that
I will have filled up the first page. Word will then automatically create a
second page to accommodate the spilled-over content.

[Aside: Word doesn't *really* create pages until you send a document to the
printer, which forces pagination. However it estimates where page breaks
will be. In Normal view, the estimation is not very precise; in Page Layout
view, it is pretty accurate. In Print Preview, it should be exact.]

So ... if you place your cursor at the end of the last sentence in your 3
page newsletter and start hitting Return, don't you eventually see a fourth
page? Alternatively (since a bunch of blank paragraphs are not a great
idea), insert the cursor at the end of page 3 and Insert> Break> Page Break
[or 'Section Break (next page)', if that's what you want].

Sorry I can't test this out, at the moment, to see if it makes sense.

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[Helpful Harry]

Good Grief! I had never looked at the Newsletter Wizard before. It is
text box nightmare in there.

Shudder!

Welcome to Microsoft's idea of DTP templates ... and Apple's for that
matter in Apple/ClarisWorks (an probably Pages). \

I'd use InDesign for that kind of job if I were being paid for it. If
not, I'd look at Apple's Pages (which I haven't yet)

InDesign tends to be over-the-top / over-complicated for most in-house
style DTP (not to mention annoyingly "Quark-like"). PageMaker used to
be much easier, but Adobe in all their "wisdom" killed it off and it
doesn't work properly in Mac OS X.

Scribus is a freeware DTP application that runs under Mac OS X, Windows
or Linux. I haven't tried it (since I don't have Mac OS X), but
reportedly it's similar to PageMaker. It's free, so is at least worth a
look. http://www.scribus.org.uk

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[Elliott Roper]

Welcome to Microsoft's idea of DTP templates ... and Apple's for that
matter in Apple/ClarisWorks (an probably Pages). \

InDesign tends to be over-the-top / over-complicated for most in-house
style DTP (not to mention annoyingly "Quark-like"). PageMaker used to
be much easier, but Adobe in all their "wisdom" killed it off and it
doesn't work properly in Mac OS X.

Rightly so too. It is a *lot* easier to tame InDesign than it is to rip
all the pointy-clicky c^h stuff out of Word. I had never looked in the
Newsletter template before. How do you spell "egregious"?

InDesign is expected to be Quark-like. It does the same job for the
same people. It does it so much better. I'm increasingly changing my
workflow out of Word. I'm editing in emacs and doing layout in LaTeX or
InDesign. Word is for dealing with the people that work for the people
that pay my bills. If I am being paid by the hour, I don't mind if they
wreck the documents. Well, I do, but I can afford to drink their
whisky.

Word has an advanced schizophrenic condition. It can't make its mind up
to be a toy or a proper professional application. In my view it is
failing at both in its current incarnation.

Scribus is a freeware DTP application that runs under Mac OS X, Windows
or Linux. I haven't tried it (since I don't have Mac OS X), but
reportedly it's similar to PageMaker. It's free, so is at least worth a
look. http://www.scribus.org.uk

Thanks for that link. Free is good.

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Egregious Elliott

 

[Helpful Harry]

InDesign is expected to be Quark-like. It does the same job for the
same people. It does it so much better.

InDesign didn't need to be Quark-like at all. The only reason was to
make it easier for Quark users to make the switch.

PageMaker does the same job too and yet most people find it MUCH MUCH
easier to use ... in fact PageMaker did the job long before there was a
Quark. The only problem was PageMaker doesn't have the fancy toys like
drop shadows, text along paths, etc. that InDesign does. There was no
real reason that Adobe couldn't have created InDesign to be more
PageMaker-like than Quark-like: not HAVING to use frames for
everything, not needing two silly pointer tools, etc. All it did was
make it too complicated and cumbersome for the average user (ie.
non-professional DTP person).

Adobe's decision to completely ditch PageMaker was silly, although they
did try to shift it down to be a competitior for Microsoft's Publisher
instead, but sales simply weren't there, partly because they were
trying to push InDesign. (



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[TV Producer]

Thanks to all for the tips. Normally I'd use INDESIGN but have been
having trouble formatting these for HTML/online use. I get a lot of
really nice looking newsletters and wanted to do something like that
myself for my company in 2006. FCP, Media 100, Sony DVCAM,
Multicamera Trucks, are all in my knowledge base, creating a newsletter
(quick) for my own company (marketing) is a new avenue. I'll master it
(at some point) but a friend suggested using the templates in Word as a
starting point. Thanks again to all for the feeback. Happy 2006 to
all.
Steve
DFW
Steve Myers Productions
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Helpful Harry]

Thanks to all for the tips. Normally I'd use INDESIGN but have been
having trouble formatting these for HTML/online use. I get a lot of
really nice looking newsletters and wanted to do something like that
myself for my company in 2006. FCP, Media 100, Sony DVCAM,
Multicamera Trucks, are all in my knowledge base, creating a newsletter
(quick) for my own company (marketing) is a new avenue. I'll master it
(at some point) but a friend suggested using the templates in Word as a
starting point. Thanks again to all for the feeback. Happy 2006 to
all.

Unless people have actually asked for them, HTML newsletters are
annoying. You're best to stick to a plain text version with a link to
an online fancy HTML version.

Having said that, I doubt Word is much good as an HTML editor anyway
(like all non-web-specific applications with HTML export options),
unless it's an extremely simple layout.

If you want to do it properly you'll need something like DreamWeaver,
GoLive or Freeway ... with the exception of Freeway (reportedly, since
I've never used it) you'll also have to re-learn pretty much anything
you already know about DTP since HTML is quite limited in what it can
and can't do.

There may be some free HTML software around that could be enough for
doing a newsletter, but I don't know of any.

Helpful Harry
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[Beth Rosengard]

Unless people have actually asked for them, HTML newsletters are
annoying. You're best to stick to a plain text version with a link to
an online fancy HTML version.

Having said that, I doubt Word is much good as an HTML editor anyway
(like all non-web-specific applications with HTML export options),
unless it's an extremely simple layout.

If you're talking about creating pages to be published on the web, Word is
not your best tool, agreed .

But if you want to send a complex HTML email to someone, you can create it
in Word and then use the File> Send To> 'Mail recipient (as HTML)', and it
will work perfectly well.

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[Helpful Harry]

If you're talking about creating pages to be published on the web, Word is
not your best tool, agreed .

But if you want to send a complex HTML email to someone, you can create it
in Word and then use the File> Send To> 'Mail recipient (as HTML)', and it
will work perfectly well.

Web pages and HTML email *should* be the same - they both use HTML.
*IF* you get different results for "web" and HTML email, then I'm
guessing it some trickery on Microsoft's part going on that may not
work properly in non-Microsoft email applications.


Helpful Harry
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[Beth Rosengard]

Web pages and HTML email *should* be the same - they both use HTML.
*IF* you get different results for "web" and HTML email, then I'm
guessing it some trickery on Microsoft's part going on that may not
work properly in non-Microsoft email applications.

Sorry, Harry. I didn't express myself very well.

You can create a document in Word and *either* publish it to the web or send
it by email with no problems.

What you *can't* do easily in Word is publish the document to the web and
then, for instance, edit it or change it as HTML. Word's code is so
convoluted that it is very unwieldy to work with, to say the least. So if
you're creating a website, you wouldn't want to use Word for the purpose,
unless all you were doing is uploading the files and then leaving them
alone.

I hope that's clearer .

Beth

 

[Helpful Harry]

Sorry, Harry. I didn't express myself very well.

You can create a document in Word and *either* publish it to the web or send
it by email with no problems.

What you *can't* do easily in Word is publish the document to the web and
then, for instance, edit it or change it as HTML. Word's code is so
convoluted that it is very unwieldy to work with, to say the least. So if
you're creating a website, you wouldn't want to use Word for the purpose,
unless all you were doing is uploading the files and then leaving them
alone.

I hope that's clearer .

I can't say I've ever tried Word's HTML options, but every other
application is hopeless at keeping even a mildly compicated layout,
although that's due more to the limitations of HTML than the
application itself.

It would have to be convulted to cope with the "put a text box
anywhere" approach to DTP layouts. That's one of the reasons Freeway is
disliked by many people as well. Even the WYSIWYG web packages like
GoLive and DreamWeaver produce messy code with lots of unnecessary bits
in them - simplicity of use on the top leads to mess of code
underneath.


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