How to flip a letter?

[mack]

I must 'flip' the letter 'e', to make it look like a phonetic 'e'. (I
thought about installing a phonetic alphabet, but I really don't want
to risk anything at this stage).

I have gotten to the 'text box' stage. And then to the text direction
box. But this only rotates. It doesn't flip. I have wasted time with
the 'free rotate' button, but when I click it, nothing doing. Help says
it doesn't do text.

Can someone please rescue my unflipped 'e' from its tree? {WORD
2004/MAC OSX}

 

[Elliott Roper]

I must 'flip' the letter 'e', to make it look like a phonetic 'e'. (I
thought about installing a phonetic alphabet, but I really don't want
to risk anything at this stage).

I have gotten to the 'text box' stage. And then to the text direction
box. But this only rotates. It doesn't flip. I have wasted time with
the 'free rotate' button, but when I click it, nothing doing. Help says
it doesn't do text.

Can someone please rescue my unflipped 'e' from its tree? {WORD
2004/MAC OSX}

Back away from that text box! Keep your hands in sight! Move away
slowly!

You have Office 2004? Therefore you have Unicode. You don't need no
steenkin' rotates.

Wake up your Mac's character palette (Use the International system
preference -> Input menu and check Character Palette)
The charcter palette will now be an item on your menu bar under that
flag thingy for your chosen language settings.

Now in Character Palette, choose view-> All characters, by category,
click down the symbols triangle, choose phonetic symbols.

It's like being let loose in a toyshop with your mum's credit card.

You should be able to highlight the phonetic e and hit insert.

If you really want to rotate, flip and distort images, do it outside
Word and then use insert from file.

Another method I use for complex equations and things that are beyond
Word is to set them in LaTex then create as PDF via a neat little
freeware called Equation Service
http://www.esm.psu.edu:16080/mac-tex/EquationService/
(currently not responding)

 

[mack]

Thank you, Elliott. I can't tell you how good it felt to hit the 'Don't
save' button on the little folder I had preared with the text box in it
(I knew I was doing wrong even as I was scouring the Word help files in
early desperation)
preference -> Input menu and check Character Palette)
The charcter palette will now be an item on your menu bar under that
flag thingy for your chosen language settings.
Yes, found it.
click down the symbols triangle, choose phonetic symbols.
Had to select view> 'unicode'> unicode table.
Had to use Lucinda grande. It doesn't match 'times new roman' well, but
I hope they understand.

It's like being let loose in a toyshop with your mum's credit card.

You should be able to highlight the phonetic e and hit insert.
Word and then use insert from file.
Lord, no.

Word is to set them in LaTex then create as PDF via a neat little
freeware called Equation Service
http://www.esm.psu.edu:16080/m ac-tex/EquationService/
WAY over my head. Happy for it to stay there, with all due respect and
much gratitude. thanks very much for your help.(I seem to have the 1968
version of Word help, but that's okay, I'm sure I'm the only one).

 

[Elliott Roper]

click down the symbols triangle, choose phonetic symbols.
Had to select view> 'unicode'> unicode table.
Had to use Lucinda grande. It doesn't match 'times new roman' well, but
I hope they understand.[/QUOTE]

That probably means your Times New Roman is really Times Ancient Roman.
(Do you get IV when you type 4? -- only joking. The old Macintosh TNR
that preceded Unicode did not include phonetic characters
You should have an incredibly array of unicode characters in the TNR
that comes with 2004. Try with Font Book and the Fonts in the Office
directory. This might be a bit scary. Ask if you need help.
(I don't have 2004 yet, and my TNR has a very skimpy repertoire indeed.
Yours is almost certainly more complete than mine.)

... thanks very much for your help.(I seem to have the 1968
version of Word help, but that's okay, I'm sure I'm the only one).

1968 Help? You were *lucky*. We had to lick road clean wit 'tongue, and
then our da' would tie us oop in sacks, row us out to sea....

(sorry, irresistible Mony Python opportunity)

Thanks for the update. One is never certain that the directions offered
are sufficient. Seems to have almost worked for you.

 

[mack]

. Try with Font Book and the Fonts in the Office
directory. This might be a bit scary. Ask if you need help.

Looked up font book. Just looks like 'regular, bold' etc Not sure
about office directory

Thanks.

 

[Clive Huggan]

click down the symbols triangle, choose phonetic symbols.
Had to select view> 'unicode'> unicode table.
Had to use Lucinda grande. It doesn't match 'times new roman' well, but
I hope they understand.

That probably means your Times New Roman is really Times Ancient Roman.
(Do you get IV when you type 4? -- only joking. The old Macintosh TNR
that preceded Unicode did not include phonetic characters
You should have an incredibly array of unicode characters in the TNR
that comes with 2004. Try with Font Book and the Fonts in the Office
directory. This might be a bit scary. Ask if you need help.
(I don't have 2004 yet, and my TNR has a very skimpy repertoire indeed.
Yours is almost certainly more complete than mine.)

... thanks very much for your help.(I seem to have the 1968
version of Word help, but that's okay, I'm sure I'm the only one).

1968 Help? You were *lucky*. We had to lick road clean wit 'tongue, and
then our da' would tie us oop in sacks, row us out to sea....

(sorry, irresistible Mony Python opportunity)

Thanks for the update. One is never certain that the directions offered
are sufficient. Seems to have almost worked for you.[/QUOTE]

Elliott,

Thank you for pointing this out: I had read it in the 1200-page doorstop I
bought on OS X a while back, but had forgotten to invoke it.

By way of thanks, O learned Aussie mate, herewith.

The options are a bit different in 2004:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In Character Palette, pop down the menu at "View:" to "Unicode".

Click on the "Unicode Blocks" button.

In the list, click on "IPA extensions".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rowboat, lad? That were the lap of looxury ... shear looxury ... Too good
for a cardboard box, eh?

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 7 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[mack]

In Character Palette, pop down the menu at "View:" to "Unicode".

Click on the "Unicode Blocks" button.

In the list, click on "IPA extensions".

Got that. No Times New Roman. If I select another font can it be
converted within Word (I've already tried and it didn't, but what do I
know ...)

 

[Elliott Roper]

The options are a bit different in 2004:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In Character Palette, pop down the menu at "View:" to "Unicode".

Click on the "Unicode Blocks" button.

In the list, click on "IPA extensions".

OS X 10.4.1 has an 'improved' palette.
Code tables->Unicode->IPA extensions (Latin)
Then with character info and Font variation triangles down, I get for
Mack's rotated e
Name: LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA
Unicode: 0259 UTF8 C9 99

Collections->Containing selected character
SCHWA turns up in 19 fonts here at the moment, including Times, but not
Times New Roman (I'm still using Word v.X's TNR)
I would be vaguely interested to have it confirmed that 2004's TNR has
the IPA glyphs.

Font Book is a pain to scan for glyphs, but using its Preview->Custom
and pasting from the Character Palette gives you a look at a selected
character in context. That SCHWA looks rather spiffy.

Tiger upgrade warning:
If you use archive and install, all your fonts in /Library/Fonts are
flung into the Previous Systems folder tree.
It is an err.... /opportunity/ to clean up one's fonts mess ;-)

 

[mack]

OS X 10.4.1 has an 'improved' palette.
Oops...I'm in 10.3.9. Is 10.4.1 'Tiger'?

Code tables->Unicode->IPA extensions (Latin)

I'm using 'view'>unicode> unicode table. >IPA Extensions when I click

unicode blocks
Then with character info and Font variation triangles down, I get for
Mack's rotated e

Name: LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA
Unicode: 0259 UTF8 C9 99
Yes, got that.

Collections->Containing selected character

SCHWA turns up in 19 fonts here at the moment, including Times, but not

Times New Roman (I'm still using Word v.X's TNR)
bastards have only given me 11 fonts!
I would be vaguely interested to have it confirmed that 2004's TNR has
the IPA glyphs.
'Tiger' only?

Font Book is a pain to scan for glyphs, but using its Preview->Custom
and pasting from the Character Palette gives you a look at a selected
character in context. That SCHWA looks rather spiffy.
Probably won't have it with 10.3.9

Tiger upgrade warning:
If you use archive and install, all your fonts in /Library/Fonts are
flung into the Previous Systems folder tree.
Might wait 'till it's safe to upgrade. Apart from one reversed 'e' I
can get by.

 

[Michel Bintener]

Hi there,
I'm also on Mac OS X 10.3.9, and the improved palette is part of that
version, too, so no need to worry about Tiger. I can confirm that "schwa" IS
part of Office 2004's TNR font. I haven't tested the entire IPA alphabet,
but judging from the few I have looked at in the character palette, the new
version of TNR does not support many IPA characters; it seems as if "schwa"
was the only one, as a matter of fact. Lucida Grande, on the other hand,
seems to be able to display all of them.

Michel

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

I'm also on Mac OS X 10.3.9, and the improved palette is part of that
version, too, so no need to worry about Tiger. I can confirm that "schwa" IS
part of Office 2004's TNR font. I haven't tested the entire IPA alphabet,
but judging from the few I have looked at in the character palette, the new
version of TNR does not support many IPA characters; it seems as if "schwa"
was the only one, as a matter of fact. Lucida Grande, on the other hand,
seems to be able to display all of them.

So do the four big MS Asian Unicode fonts - MS Gothic MS PGothic, MS
Mincho, MS PMincho (aside from the last few obscure characters 02A9 - 02AF).
Between Lucida Grande - available on all OS X Macs, and these four,
available on all Windows - you can cover all the IPA characters for the
appropriate destination. The MS fonts like TNR, Verdana, MS Trebuchet,
Arial, are mostly for Western and Central European languages (Latin with
most extensions, but not IPA extensions except schwa). It's a shame we don't
have Arial MS Unicode - which has almost everything (up to Unicode 3.2 I
think it is) - but in fact you can install it by bringing it over from
Windows in VPC if you've got that.

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[Daiya Mitchell]

It's a shame we don't

have Arial MS Unicode - which has almost everything (up to Unicode 3.2 I
think it is) - but in fact you can install it by bringing it over from
Windows in VPC if you've got that.

Paul, can you say how?

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

Daiya:

Now, come on....

Look in your Windows Font Folder for a 22 MB font named ARIALUNI.TTF.

Copy...

{Insert Memory stick}

Paste...

Open your Mac font folder (preferably, you USER font folder...)

Copy'n'Paste...

The font will appear close to the bottom of the font list, down there with
the odds and sods, not in alphabetic order.

Coupla hints...

1) Don't do this to a user who is not yourself -- there is a rumour that
there are some characters in the font that can cause crashes in some
versions of Apple OS X. I've never seen it, but I haven't exhaustively
tested all 32,000 characters....

2) Don't expect it to be pretty. The compromises necessary to get all
32,000 characters into one font only 22 MB in size are fairly extreme. Use
it basically for individual letters only.

You need also to be aware that Mac applications will not necessarily "fall
through" to Arial Unicode if they can't find the character. Windows will:
it searches down a font family until it finds the character it's looking
for, finally ending up at Arial Unicode if it can't get the character in any
other similar font. Mac doesn't seem to do that.

Some versions of Mac Word will not "hold" Arial Unicode MS formatting while
typing in a sentence: you need to type the letters then highlight the text
and specifically apply the font. It will hold it then. My version of Word
2004 seems quite happy to hold the font, and allow it to be defined in
styles.

Cheers

Paul, can you say how?

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