How to lock the position of pictures in a document.

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inthemood

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
Processor: intel

Sometimes, pictures in a document move while I type, which I found annoying.

Can I lock the position of pictures so that they never move like Indesign?
 
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CyberTaz

No you can't, because Word isn't like InDesign - one is a word processing
program the other is a desktop publishing (page layout) program. In a dtp
program you're dealing with physical pages, in a word processor you're
dealing with a flow of text from start to end. As a result text & other
elements are independent of other content in a dtp app. In Word, any
"foreign bodies" are attached to the text, not to a page.The following will
help clarify the difference & if you intend to use objects in Word docs
you'd do well to follow all the links at the bottom of that page:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/PagesInWord.html

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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rrburkert

Sorry, but this has nothing to do with word processing vs page layout.
Although page layout is not Word's main focus, it can be and is used for page
layout (better alternatives are not always available), because it does
provide page layout facilities (taking pictures out of the text flow,
textboxes, etc). It is simply a user interface issue. When using a picture
as a page background, it would be nice if you could "lock" the picture so
that you can deal with the content of the page without worrying about
accidentally dragging the background picture.
 
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CyberTaz

It has *everything* to do with page layout v. word processing.

Please do a little research on the subject before you contradict someone.
You can use a hammer to drive a screw, but that doesn't change the design of
the tool. *All* graphics in a Word doc are attached to the text in one of 2
ways. If you read the link furnished in my post you'll get a better
understanding of that, and if you'd like to know more about how Word deals
with graphics you can start here:

http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/DrwGrphcs/DrawLayer.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=268713

....and No, this information is *not* unique to PC Word.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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rrburkert

You assume I don't understand about how Word works because you're totally
blinded by this "Word is a word processor" idea. Try reading my post again.
Yes Word is a word processor, yes it's not made for page layout, yes it's a
hammer and a screw, but like I said sometimes there isn't a better
*available* choice. And though imperfectly, you can accomplish page layout
with Word (those suspicious features of out-of-flow object placement,
textboxes). You can be idealistic all you want but some of us work in the
real world. Word isn't dogmatic, it appeases needs it wasn't really designed
for. Just lighten up. It's very simple. If I could make it so Word
wouldn't let me drag an out-of-flow picture without "unlocking" it, it would
make life much easier for page layout use. You can't dispute that. You can
dispute this "improper " use of Word, but I'm pretty sure that real people
with real needs are welcome in this newsgroup, and most people appreciate
help without having dogma shoved down their throats. That's the only reason
I responded, it bothers me to see someone ask a legitimate question only to
be shot down that they shouldn't want to do what they want to do.

I'll give you an example if you're having trouble imagining one. Today an
HR user told me they want to have the ability to create paper certificates
for people on various occasions. We don't have any simple certificate
software or real page layout software on our computers. But we do have
Office, and everyone knows how to use Word, however clumsily. I had an old
certificate I'd done in Word (gasp!) some years ago for another user. It
consists of a background picture for the fancy border/etc with text boxes
over top for the different parts (the dedication, the signatures). I hoped
to be able to lock the background picture before I gave it to her, to head
off the inevitable mistakenly dragging the background picture problem.
Especially if she ended up finding the text boxes too complex and wanted to
resort to using the normal text flow with a bunch of horrid line breaks and
spaces/tabbing for text placement, which is very likely. Except she'd have
trouble placing the cursor because every time she clicked somewhere she would
be selecting the background picture. Not everyone is as adept in Word as we
are, and I don't care how improperly and imperfectly she uses it, I'm just
happy if she can accomplish what she wants to do without requiring help.
Maybe in the future we could justify some better software for the purpose,
but for now Word is our best alternative, between its availability, its
ability to accomplish the task, and our users' ability to use it.

So again to my assertion that this is just a simple user interface wish.
I’m not asking Word to do anything it doesn't already do, I'd just like to be
able to tell it to make one of those things it already lets us do (dragging
an object) take a little more effort to do.

I realize this isn’t quite the same as what the original poster was asking.
It doesn’t sound like they necessarily want to lock a picture, but just to
have it not be affected at all by the text flow. This actually is possible
in Word. Format Picture, select one of the non-inline layouts, click
Advanced, Picture Position tab, uncheck “Move object with textâ€, or set
Absolute Position relative to Page. Shock! Word knows what a page is after
all!
 
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CyberTaz

Although I don't claim to have the power to convince you of how divorced
from reality your misconceptions are I can't in good conscience let the
thread drop without further reply - for the benefit of others even if you
chose to disregard the facts. The in-line response to your closing paragraph
should pretty well close the matter...

<snip>
I realize this isn¹t quite the same as what the original poster was asking.

It isn't at all the same as what the OP asked.
It doesn¹t sound like they necessarily want to lock a picture, but just to
have it not be affected at all by the text flow.

I'm not sure how I misunderstood the OP's statement: "Can I lock the
position of pictures so that they never move like Indesign?" I can only go
by what someone writes - I don't claim to be able to read their minds or to
know their needs better than they express them.
This actually is possible in Word.

No it isn't - and certainly not by the following...
Format Picture, select one of the non-inline layouts, click
Advanced, Picture Position tab, uncheck ³Move object with text², or set
Absolute Position relative to Page. Shock!

This formatting process leaves the object anchored to a paragraph as opposed
to being inserted into a specific point in a line of text - if the paragraph
flows to another "page" the graphic will go right along with it and assume
the same relative positioning in the new location. Likewise, if that
paragraph is deleted the graphic anchored to it will be deleted as well.
Word knows what a page is after all!
<snip>

Again, no, it doesn't - and the article was written by someone who knows
more about Word than either of us.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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rrburkert

Sorry for the misdirected ranting, if I had cooled down enough after noticing
I wasn't talking about the same thing as the poster, I would have realized
the rest of my response was just foolish. And you are correct about the
object staying on the same page as its anchor paragraph. That might be
slightly more acceptable to the original poster though, perhaps. For what
it's worth, I can kind of accomplish what I wanted by inserting the
background image in the header or footer and settings its layout to behind or
in front of text. Then I just have to assure the user that the background
picture will print at its normal contrast even though print preview shows it
washed-out like it is in page layout view.
 
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CyberTaz

Apology both accepted & respected:) But I'd like to emphasize that I have
no problem with you or anyone else disagreeing with anything offered.
Personal attacks & recriminations, however, have no place in a group of this
nature... Or anywhere else. Different approaches & perspectives are how we
learn & grow.

BTW - your header/footer technique *is* the preferred approach & makes a far
better recipe for success. The down side is that if the doc comprises more
than one page it demands the use of section breaks to accommodate separate
headers/footer - thus compounding the complexity of the doc as well as
making revisions more involved.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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Elliott Roper

CyberTaz said:
Apology both accepted & respected:) But I'd like to emphasize that I have
no problem with you or anyone else disagreeing with anything offered.
Personal attacks & recriminations, however, have no place in a group of this
nature... Or anywhere else. Different approaches & perspectives are how we
learn & grow.

BTW - your header/footer technique *is* the preferred approach & makes a far
better recipe for success. The down side is that if the doc comprises more
than one page it demands the use of section breaks to accommodate separate
headers/footer - thus compounding the complexity of the doc as well as
making revisions more involved.

Not really Bob. First Page Special in the one and only section is
sufficient for header and follow-on.
The trick is to set the follow-on header in the second page of the
otherwise empty template.
 
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CyberTaz

Quite true - thanks for pointing that out. I was going on the assumption
that the OP was (a) not designing a template, and (b) was intending to use
pictures on several pages of a multipage doc.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 

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