How to put in an inch mark?

A

A. Sparling

Hi folks

O.K., this is pretty basic, but: is there a simple way to inser
straight quotes (foot or inch marks), while leaving smart quotes turne
on? I don't want to do it all the time; I just want to do it for fee
and inches (or minutes and seconds of longitude / latitude).

Word 2004, OS X (10.3.9)

Any help would be much appreciated. And Merry Christmas
 
J

JE McGimpsey

A. Sparling said:
Hi folks,

O.K., this is pretty basic, but: is there a simple way to insert
straight quotes (foot or inch marks), while leaving smart quotes turned
on? I don't want to do it all the time; I just want to do it for feet
and inches (or minutes and seconds of longitude / latitude).

Word 2004, OS X (10.3.9).

Any help would be much appreciated. And Merry Christmas!

Smart quotes are an autocorrect function, so just type CTRL-z after
typing the quote mark.
 
T

Tim Murray

Hi folks,O.K., this is pretty basic, but: is there a simple way to
insertstraight quotes (foot or inch marks), while leaving smart quotes
turnedon? I don't want to do it all the time; I just want to do it for
feetand inches (or minutes and seconds of longitude / latitude). Word 2004,
OS X (10.3.9).Any help would be much appreciated.

Actually the correct inch/foot marks are Symbol's double-prime and prime
marks, Option+4 and Option+comma.
 
P

Paul Berkowitz

Actually the correct inch/foot marks are Symbol's double-prime and prime
marks, Option+4 and Option+comma.

And that in turn depends what localized keyboard you have (and it has
nothing to do with Symbol font). On a US English Keyboard, option+4 produces
¢ (cent) and option+comma produces ¾ (less-than-or-equal-to). Prime is
option-shift-e ´ and double-prime is option-shift-g › . It will be different
on non-US keyboards. They are also available from the Character Palette
(PRIME = 2032, DOUBLE PRIME = 2033), for all OS X, in Word 2004.

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A

A. Sparling

Wow, this is actually really interesting. As it happens, I'm using th
U.S. extended keyboard. Now, I can locate the characters o
single-prime and double-prime by their Unicode numbers on the characte
palette, but I don't see any way to find out what the correspondin
keystrokes are, and Google hasn't helped me. Of course, I can get th
right glyphs by switching keyboards to the U.S. standard one, now tha
you have given me the keystrokes for it. I tried to find the glyphs b
inspection on the keyboard viewer, but without success. I also looke
aroundon the Web, but (unusually) Google didn't take me to what
needed.

So ' What is the keystroke for my preferred keyboard?

'' is there an easy way to get from the glyph on the character palett
to the corresponding keystroke? and

''' Is there a table somewhere that will tell me what every keystrok
does in all the main keyboard layouts?

Thanks for all your help
 
E

Elliott Roper

A. Sparling said:
Wow, this is actually really interesting. As it happens, I'm using the
U.S. extended keyboard. Now, I can locate the characters of
single-prime and double-prime by their Unicode numbers on the character
palette, but I don't see any way to find out what the corresponding
keystrokes are, and Google hasn't helped me. Of course, I can get the
right glyphs by switching keyboards to the U.S. standard one, now that
you have given me the keystrokes for it. I tried to find the glyphs by
inspection on the keyboard viewer, but without success. I also looked
aroundon the Web, but (unusually) Google didn't take me to what I
needed.

So ' What is the keystroke for my preferred keyboard?

'' is there an easy way to get from the glyph on the character palette
to the corresponding keystroke? and
(feeble answer)
put it in favourites and it is easier to find.
''' Is there a table somewhere that will tell me what every keystroke
does in all the main keyboard layouts?
You already know about the keyboard viewer. That's the best I know.
Thanks for all your help!
It *is* interesting in a banging your head against a wall kind of way.

There is a bit of a gap between autocorrect and the insert symbol add
shortcut thingy. There is no way that I can find to define a shortcut
on insert symbol if the glyph is not on the tiny little table Word
offers.

I fashioned this truly ugly method using the autocorrect in tools.
First I created a symbol field for each of single and double prime
{ SYMBOL 0x2032 \u} and { SYMBOL 0x2033 \u} respectively. Then for each
I selected the whole field, then in tools»autocorrect I typed (p) and
later (pp) in the replace part. The 'with' part already showed the
prime character, so I hit 'add' and the autocorrect table grew a (p) in
the first column and a *SYMBOL 0x2032 \u* in the second. The
disjointness between the way the field is displayed in the main window
and the way it is dsplayed in the autocorrect is faintly disturbing.
What was wrong with { and } eh?

Ugly and all, it works, as long as you can remember how to toggle
between the field source and the result (It's opt-F9 here, but I can no
longer remember if that is the default), and you can live with the
prime characters looking a bit grey.

The nice part is that it works for all keyboard nationalities - well
all the ones where I can still recognise the main letters.

I wish I could have thought of an easier way, but using curly quote
marks is *so* last Tuesday.
 
A

A. Sparling

Groovy. Your method is analogous to the one I use for m
formula-characters m-tilde and q-acute, as well as my persona
favorites, the nonbreaking nonspace and the breaking nonspace. So
understand what you are describing. And the grey goes away if you tur
it off in in the view preferences (not that I would *do* that).

Thanks much
 
P

Paul Berkowitz

Wow, this is actually really interesting. As it happens, I'm using the
U.S. extended keyboard. Now, I can locate the characters of
single-prime and double-prime by their Unicode numbers on the character
palette, but I don't see any way to find out what the corresponding
keystrokes are, and Google hasn't helped me. Of course, I can get the
right glyphs by switching keyboards to the U.S. standard one, now that
you have given me the keystrokes for it. I tried to find the glyphs by
inspection on the keyboard viewer, but without success. I also looked
aroundon the Web, but (unusually) Google didn't take me to what I
needed.

So ' What is the keystroke for my preferred keyboard?

You didn't loom hard enough. In US Extended, prime is option-shift-i Ì›, and
double prime is option-shift-j Ì‹ . I just found them (and US keyboard) using
the Keyboard Viewer. Just hold down Option and Shift-Option keys to see the
full range.
'' is there an easy way to get from the glyph on the character palette
to the corresponding keystroke? and

No. 99.999% of characters in the Character Palette have no keystrokes, and
can only be inserted. Only basic Latin (for English) and some Extended
Latin, Punctuation, and a few other characters are available using the
keyboard with modifier leys (shift and option).
''' Is there a table somewhere that will tell me what every keystroke
does in all the main keyboard layouts?

Perhaps. Google it and you might find a webpage somewhere. It's a lot
quicker to use Keyboard View and your eyes...
Thanks for all your help!


--
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MVP MacOffice
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A

A. Sparling

Hmm, Using Lucida Grande as my font, opt-shift-j gives me something tha
*looks* quite a bit like a double prime, but if you compare it with th
character that Lucida Grande assigns to the Unicode glyph for doubl
prime, they are distinct. Opt-shift-j is, I think, a double-acut
accent (and will even overstrike on the double-prime, which makes
silly smudge).

Opt-shift-i gives me a thing that I don't even know the name of--
backward hook, like a half a question-mark, again a superscripte
diacritical.

Part of the problem with the keyboard viewer is that you can only mak
it medium-large, and one little squiggle looks pretty much like th
next on it.

Of course, in some fonts maybe there is no distinction between whateve
these things are and the single- and double-prime. But in Lucida Grand
at least, they are quite distinct glyphs.

But I"m O.K. with Mr. Roper's suggestion, which solves the proble
quite elegantly. Once it's programmed into autocorrect, that is.

Thanks again, everybody
 
T

Tim Murray

And that in turn depends what localized keyboard you have (and it has
nothing to do with Symbol font). On a US English Keyboard, option+4 produces
¢ (cent) and option+comma produces ¾ (less-than-or-equal-to). Prime is
option-shift-e ´ and double-prime is option-shift-g › . It will be different
on non-US keyboards. They are also available from the Character Palette
(PRIME = 2032, DOUBLE PRIME = 2033), for all OS X, in Word 2004.

Whoops, sorry, I had referred to FrameMaker keystrokes.
 

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