I hate Vista & Office 2007 – How do I get refund?

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Dick Olson

To Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer:
I recently bought a new HP computer with Vista installed. Shortly
afterwards I upgraded my Office suite to Office 2007. I have had nothing but
trouble with both Vista and Office 2007. I was a loyal Microsoft user and
now I feel that I have been “duped†and cheated. Getting a new computer and
new software should have been a pleasant experience and it turned out to be a
nightmare. I hate both products (Vista and Office 2007) and am now sour on
Microsoft. I feel that the new HP computer that I bought is worthless to me
now. I would like to get my money back.
Very disappointed and frustrated,
Dick Olson
(e-mail address removed)
 
B

Bob Buckland ?:-\)

Hi Dick,

If you have OEM editions of Microsoft products provided preinstalled with the PC then generally you'll need to contact the PC
supplier as it's part of your contract with that provider.

If you have retail editions of Microsoft products you can obtain refunds from Microsoft.
http://microsoft.com/mscorp/productrefund/refund.mspx

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To Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer:
I recently bought a new HP computer with Vista installed. Shortly
afterwards I upgraded my Office suite to Office 2007. I have had nothing but
trouble with both Vista and Office 2007. I was a loyal Microsoft user and
now I feel that I have been "duped" and cheated. Getting a new computer and
new software should have been a pleasant experience and it turned out to be a
nightmare. I hate both products (Vista and Office 2007) and am now sour on
Microsoft. I feel that the new HP computer that I bought is worthless to me
now. I would like to get my money back.
Very disappointed and frustrated,
Dick Olson >>
--

Bob Buckland ?:)
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
 
J

JoAnn Paules

If you're unhappy with that, wait until you get tons of spam because you
posted your unmunged email address in a public newsgroup.
 
J

Janter

Dick,

I empathize with you – been there, done that. However, I sense that there is
something more here than meets the eye. I, too, have purchased a new HP with
Vista and new Office 2007 less than 3 weeks ago. This was not my first
computer, but HP, Vista, and Office are all new. Based on previous
experience, I never expected a whole new setup, including wireless, to go
without glitches. I was right. (I rate my skill level at low to medium.)

Even before I plugged in the HP PC, I encountered a mechanical problem with
the new HP monitor that should have been easy to resolve. After a half hour
of frustration and near anger at HP, I called the HP service number they
provided. A couple of menus and about three minutes later, I was in
conversation with a live HP person (and this was Saturday afternoon). He
patiently, but unsuccessfully, worked with me for about 30 minutes. We
agreed that before I broke the monitor, I should return to the retailer. (I
did and it was OK.) But before we ended, he offered an unsolicited promise
that he would call back to see how things went. A week later, after I had
determined his promise to be standard BS, he called to check on the status.
Not only that, a person alleged to be his supervisor, wanted to talk to me.
My point here is, based on only one experience, HP is available and willing
to help.

I also had frustrating head scratchers with Vista, Mail, Outlook Express,
and Word even though I had obtained a few reference books from the library
before I started the setup. I eventually found Microsoft Communities and
submitted my problems and questions there. In my personal experience and
after having read a lot of threads, I believe the MS-MVP members are the
most valuable, and most available, free assets you could ask for. I do not
know any of them, I had never heard of them before this month, I don’t know
their status with MS, and I don’t know what their rewards are for tuning in
almost every day to help you and me, but they seem anxious to help and it
seems as though at least one is available all the time for a quick response.
My point here is, you have a valuable free asset which you should take
advantage of before demanding your money back.

Before you go any further, I suggest you contact HP to discuss your problems
(hopefully, you already have). Then, or at the same time, throw a few of
your problems and questions at the MS-MVPs. Maybe it’s the software, maybe
it’s not. You didn’t describe any reason why you hate the products so no one
could propose a solution based on your posting.

In any event, you need to be able to express the problems you are
encountering. Probably no one will return your money without knowing what
the problem is, so be prepared to tell them. Why not start here? If it's
hardware or software problems, you will probably learn exactly what the
problem is and be in a better position to demand a refund.

Please don’t take my post as being critical. It’s not.

Thanks

Janter
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

Dick Olson said:
To Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer:
I recently bought a new HP computer with Vista installed. Shortly
afterwards I upgraded my Office suite to Office 2007. I have had nothing
but
trouble with both Vista and Office 2007. I was a loyal Microsoft user and
now I feel that I have been “duped†and cheated. Getting a new computer
and
new software should have been a pleasant experience and it turned out to
be a
nightmare. I hate both products (Vista and Office 2007) and am now sour
on
Microsoft. I feel that the new HP computer that I bought is worthless to
me
now. I would like to get my money back.
Very disappointed and frustrated,
Dick Olson
(e-mail address removed)


Some people want or seek change but don't like it when it comes. If they
can't work out something in five minutes, it must be crap.

It does take a while to become accustomed to new things, and much depends on
the mindset of the user. Even some MVPs have found Vista and Office 2007
confusing and lacking appeal. Both can slow down productivity if the user is
well accustomed to XP/Office 2003.

With a little effort, one does get used to them, and going back to an
XP/Office 2003 computer feels decidedly clunky..

Btw, we MVPs are volunteers. We do this in our spare time.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
G

Gemini

Dick, I feel for you. I too, purchased a new HP laptop recently. As you can
guess, it came with Vista and Office 2007. As far as Vista is concerned, a
lot of the keyboard shortcuts I used to use to access recent docs, most
frequently used apps, etc., don't work any more. However, I can tolerate most
of it, although it is irritating, to say the least.

As far as Office 2007 is concerned, I've posted about that mess here. For
several solid reasons, I do not plan to purchase the retail version of Office
2007. The new Ribbon UI is one of those reasons. I do not plan to meekly
accept whatever M$ wants to shove down users' throats.

That said, you should be able to return your computer from the place you
bought it. Regrettably, there are very few retail outlets that offer any
other OS apart from Windows (except for the Macs, of course).

I read an article yesterday where Gates stated that since the new Fluent UI
(Ribbon) had met with "strong user acceptance" (I'd love to see the actual
data on that "research"), it will be used heavily in all forthcoming Windows
versions! In other words, if you don't like the Office UI now, just remember
it will be more pervasive in future Windows versions. As far as I'm
concerned, that means I have to start exploring non-M$ alternatives.

Good luck to you! I do understand exactly how you feel. Been there myself!
 
A

Alias

Dick said:
To Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer:
I recently bought a new HP computer with Vista installed. Shortly
afterwards I upgraded my Office suite to Office 2007. I have had nothing but
trouble with both Vista and Office 2007. I was a loyal Microsoft user and
now I feel that I have been “duped†and cheated. Getting a new computer and
new software should have been a pleasant experience and it turned out to be a
nightmare. I hate both products (Vista and Office 2007) and am now sour on
Microsoft. I feel that the new HP computer that I bought is worthless to me
now. I would like to get my money back.
Very disappointed and frustrated,
Dick Olson
(e-mail address removed)

Take it back to where you bought it and demand your money back. Do this
when the store is full of customers and make your demands in a clear,
loud but polite voice.

Alias
 
T

Telstar

Gemini said:
Dick, I feel for you. I too, purchased a new HP laptop recently. As you
can
guess, it came with Vista and Office 2007. As far as Vista is concerned, a
lot of the keyboard shortcuts I used to use to access recent docs, most
frequently used apps, etc., don't work any more. However, I can tolerate
most
of it, although it is irritating, to say the least.

As far as Office 2007 is concerned, I've posted about that mess here. For
several solid reasons, I do not plan to purchase the retail version of
Office
2007. The new Ribbon UI is one of those reasons. I do not plan to meekly
accept whatever M$ wants to shove down users' throats.


I have used Word since its first version in DOS and all office thereafter.
I absolutely love the ribbon.

I find these posts full of lame excuses...sort of like the transition from
Wordperfect (with its horrendous key combinations that people claimed were
GREAT) to point and click MS Word which was, on release, regaled as
awful...it had no keyboard crap like Wordperfect. We see what won in the
marketplace, don't we?
 
T

Telstar

Alias said:
Take it back to where you bought it and demand your money back. Do this
when the store is full of customers and make your demands in a clear, loud
but polite voice.

Alias

Idiot.
 
G

Gemini

Telstar, it's called a matter of choice. You like the Ribbon, fine. I, along
with many other long time users, have found it to be counter productive,
non-intuitive and in general, useless.

I personally know some large institutions are balking at making the change
to Office 2007 because the UI WILL impact thousands of their employees
adversely.

Regarding the marketplace, attempting to shove the new UI down everyone's
throat indicates arrogance on MS's part. Otherwise, they would have provided
users with a choice of the ridiculous "Ribbon" and the classic UI. Arrogance
has knocked many cos. of their perch. Remember IBM's OS/2? While technically
superior to the Windows versions of that era, IBM lost in the marketplace
thanks to the incredible arrogance of their executives for that area. I don't
believe IBM has any significant presence in the PC software area any more.

Oh yes, the truly lame posts are those that accuse others of making lame
posts because they choose to write about their preferences.

-- Gemini
 
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Alias

Telstar said:

The OP wrote, and I quote, "I would like to get my money back." and I
gave a solution to do just that. What's your solution, hot shot?

Alias
 
G

Gemini

Hi Dick, in case you're not able to return the machine, you can make the
Start menu look like XP. Go to the Control Panel->Taskbar & Start Menu and
then select the option "Classic Start Menu" on the Start Menu tab. If you're
used to using keys to access frequently used apps and/or data files, then
you'll find this esp. useful.

HTH

-- Gemini
 

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