In a word doucument that is a copy of a newspaper article where doyou put the copyright symbol

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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

This is some what related to the previous question about a font. (I've
since found out its a custom built version).

I have a Copy (with permission of the newspaper) of an Article, about a
cousin of mine that was in WWII. I've been given permission to post it
on my website from the Paper. They've even given me a Banner to use in
jpeg format. I have saved it in PNG. since it a copyrighted article (I
assume since I had to get permission), where do you put the copyright
symbol? at: top left, top right, bottom right or left.

And I supposed I will have to give notice of the writer of the Article.
The original image I had was gif image and has a lot of defects making
it fuzzy Looking and unclean looking at best.
 
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John McGhie

Hi Phillip:

"Copyright © New York Times 1948, used with permission." is sufficient, and
would normally appear at the bottom right, after the article.

To be legal in all jurisdictions, you need the word copyright, the symbol,
the name of the copyright owner, and the year.

In some jurisdictions (e.g. Australia) you do not need to "claim" copyright,
so you do not need a copyright statement at all, and a simple "Used with
permission" will do.

Cheers


This is some what related to the previous question about a font. (I've
since found out its a custom built version).

I have a Copy (with permission of the newspaper) of an Article, about a
cousin of mine that was in WWII. I've been given permission to post it
on my website from the Paper. They've even given me a Banner to use in
jpeg format. I have saved it in PNG. since it a copyrighted article (I
assume since I had to get permission), where do you put the copyright
symbol? at: top left, top right, bottom right or left.

And I supposed I will have to give notice of the writer of the Article.
The original image I had was gif image and has a lot of defects making
it fuzzy Looking and unclean looking at best.

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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

Thanks. You can go see it http://www.phillipmjones.net/

Click on Jones then click on Link to Glenwood Drivers. Word has a
Problem in Grammar Check with the fellow's name. He is the son of my
Dad's sister And they used his language his, is not necessarily up
today's standards (he's 92). You might not see the correction until
tomorrow.
 
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Tim Murray

Phillip said:
This is some what related to the previous question about a font. (I've
since found out its a custom built version).

I have a Copy (with permission of the newspaper) of an Article, about a
cousin of mine that was in WWII. I've been given permission to post it
on my website from the Paper. They've even given me a Banner to use in
jpeg format. I have saved it in PNG. since it a copyrighted article (I
assume since I had to get permission),

In the U.S., copyright exists at the moment the thing is fixed in a tangible
form (which includes electronic memory); even without the (C) symbol,
copyright still exists.
where do you put the copyright symbol? at: top left, top right,
bottom right or left.

At some position where it is humanly readable and where one can easily assume
it's attached to the article. The form recommended by international treaty is
symbol, year, and name, and I'd followed up with a permissions statement, as
in:
© 2009 John Smith. Used by permission.
 
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Tim Murray

John said:
To be legal in all jurisdictions, you need the word copyright, the symbol,
the name of the copyright owner, and the year.

Umm, not quite correct. To start out with "to be legal" might imply there is
some illegal way to attribute copyright. Frankly there is no requirement
under law for Phillip to attribute it at all.

Also, you don't need the word "copyright". The circled C symbol is the
recognized symbol to all signers of the Berne Convention and the Universal
Copyright Convention, the latter of which specifically calls for the symbol.
Or maybe Berne, I forget. But anyway, one of them demands the symbol.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Tim:

Depends which jurisdiction you are in, I believe.

The United States did not sign the Berne Convention until 1988. The work
Phillip wants to use is older than that. TRIPS and WIPO both modify or
extend the rights in some jurisdictions. There are some countries that are
still not parties to the Berne convention, and many that are not parties to
TRIPS or WIPO.

I refer you to the current USA Copyright Act (which is the act under which
anything Phillip wants to publish will be governed). This is a chunky
little 350-page sleeping pill, but I believe the relevant bit is:

§ 401 · Notice of copyright: Visually perceptible copies
(a) General Provisions.‹Whenever a work protected under this title is
published in the United States or elsewhere by authority of the copyright
owner,
a notice of copyright as provided by this section may be placed on publicly
distributed
copies from which the work can be visually perceived, either directly or
with the aid of a machine or device.
(b) Form of Notice.‹If a notice appears on the copies, it shall consist of
the
following three elements:
(1) the symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word ³Copyright², or the
abbreviation ³Copr.²; and
(2) the year of first publication of the work; in the case of compilations
or
derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date
of
first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The
year
date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with
accompanying
text matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards,
stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful articles; and
(3) the name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by
which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative
designation
of the owner.
(c) Position of Notice.‹The notice shall be affixed to the copies in such
manner and location as to give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright.
The
Register of Copyrights shall prescribe by regulation, as examples, specific
methods
of affixation and positions of the notice on various types of works that
will satisfy
this requirement, but these specifications shall not be considered
exhaustive.
(d) Evidentiary Weight of Notice.‹If a notice of copyright in the form
and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or
copies to
which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no
weight
shall be given to such a defendant¹s interposition of a defense based on
innocent
infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as
provided in
the last sentence of section 504(c)(2).

The upshot of this is: The act appears to grant copyright without the need
to asset your claim, but any defence of the copyright in court is likely to
fail unless you have claimed it.

Only a lawyer could have left things as such a muddle (because the effect is
to create a lawyer¹s picnic that will mean they get off with most of the
funds if you take it to court). So the bottom line is: ³Claim it or lose
it!² :)

Cheers


Umm, not quite correct. To start out with "to be legal" might imply there is
some illegal way to attribute copyright. Frankly there is no requirement
under law for Phillip to attribute it at all.

Also, you don't need the word "copyright". The circled C symbol is the
recognized symbol to all signers of the Berne Convention and the Universal
Copyright Convention, the latter of which specifically calls for the symbol.
Or maybe Berne, I forget. But anyway, one of them demands the symbol.

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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

Go to Http://www.phillimjones.et/Jones/Glenwood_Divers_WWII_Veteran.pdf

See if its acceptable. Note the article was originally Word Docx format.
The After I added the Header information with the Provided Logo. I added
the Line:

Copyright© The Franklin News-Post November, 2009

The actual publication date is within the article and mention of made in
the original document received, of the staff writer that did the article.

I sent an email to the Paper and received an email from someone back,
from the paper since I was using it for the purpose I intended . I was
given permission. I've since sent a note to him to go to the site and
and look at the article to see if it met approval.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Phillip:

The Copyright notice should appear only once, either at the beginning or end
of the article.

You need to add the phrase "used with permission" at the end of the
copyright statement, after the year; to show that yours is not the original
publication of the work.

Otherwise, you may have assigned copyright over your whole website to the
Franklin Post :)

Cheers


Go to Http://www.phillimjones.et/Jones/Glenwood_Divers_WWII_Veteran.pdf

See if its acceptable. Note the article was originally Word Docx format.
The After I added the Header information with the Provided Logo. I added
the Line:

Copyright© The Franklin News-Post November, 2009

The actual publication date is within the article and mention of made in
the original document received, of the staff writer that did the article.

I sent an email to the Paper and received an email from someone back,
from the paper since I was using it for the purpose I intended . I was
given permission. I've since sent a note to him to go to the site and
and look at the article to see if it met approval.

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matters unless I ask you to; or unless you intend to pay!

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

I was trying to figure out how to have it show on just one Page But with
it formatted from the paper using Columns there is no way to insert a
section Break then make the Header show only on the first page.

Be back again and have go back. to see if it correct.
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

Okay add "used with permission". and moved it out of header, to just
above start of the article.
 
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Phillip Jones, C.E.T.

Plus I don't want it implied that I am trying to illegally do anything.
I have permisson from the Paper. I suppose I don't have to do anything
at all. but to be absolutely safe I want it to make it known I had
permission to add to my website. since the fellow in the article is my
first cousin.
 

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