include pages!!!

L

Lisa A

I have most of my sites built in front page 2003. I've updated the footer
includes, but unless I update each page, they don't show up with the new
information. I don't have front page extensions on my server anymore.
How can I go around this without having to update 100's of pages? I'll
never find them all.
I've converted to EW and can use the include there, but I can't convert all
my sites to EW that quickly to get them to work again.
 
R

Ronx

Without extensions, you either update the site copy on your PC and
Publish (FTP) every changed page, or you update each page individually
on the server with Expression Web.
I would choose the first option.
If the pages don't update on your PC, make sure you have the website
open then run
Tools->recalculate Hyperlinks
 
L

Lisa A

I believe all the pages on my computer updated, but when I publish just the
changed pages via ftp, the pages not republished don't get changed.
Are you saying publish back to my site from the server? I can't use any FP
Extensions anymore.
 
L

Lisa A

Would you suggest this being such a huge site, to convert it over to EW so I
can update it easily?
I've been working on a new site EW and the styles that are automatically
inserted are causing me headaches.
If I could just upload the site as it is and work on it as before in FP,
then that would be ok. Do you know the easiest way to upload a site to EW
without causing alot of problems. This is a huge site and I can't have
things not working properly and too many pages to update each.
Lisa
 
R

Ronx

If publishing changed pages only does not upload all the changed pages,
then publish ALL pages. The FrontPage publish was designed to work with
FrontPage Extensions, but will work with FTP - but sometimes, due to
time differences between the timestamps on your PC and the timestamps on
the Server, synchronisation is difficult to achieve.

You need the up to date website on your PC. Change the footer on your
PC. Publish the changed pages back to the server - this may mean you
have to publish ALL the website just to make sure all the changed pages
are published.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (Expression)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
 
T

Tina Clarke

Lisa A said:
Would you suggest this being such a huge site, to convert it over to EW so
I can update it easily?
I've been working on a new site EW and the styles that are automatically
inserted are causing me headaches.
If I could just upload the site as it is and work on it as before in FP,
then that would be ok. Do you know the easiest way to upload a site to EW
without causing alot of problems. This is a huge site and I can't have
things not working properly and too many pages to update each.
Lisa


Lisa apart from some bots everything will work the same in EW, however when
publishing with ftp and fpse you need to be aware that there are some
differences.

If you make a change to your include page then publish with fpse then all
that needs publishing is the include file. If however your publishing with
ftp you need to not only publish that page but ALL THE PAGES CONNECTED TO
THE INCLUDE PAGE .... basically you need to publish all the changes... you
can do this with ew or with a third party ftp client. btw you can open your
site live still with ftp in ew (see
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/ew-ftp-live.htm )

personally i prefer to publish with fpse (and have done for years without
using any bots apart from includes but they dont need fpse as you know they
work with or without but the work in a different way on publish time) which
is why its a lot less hassle to use fpse and I find I have a lot less
problems with it... my host has dropped them though:(

You keep getting new styles inserted because your using the formatting
toolbar for the most part ... try turning off the formatting and/or common
toolbars till you actually need to use them for something (you mostly won't
and with it being off it reminds you, you don't actually need to use it) you
will be amazed at how many times you find yourself up at the top looking for
it when you do this at first ... did you set up expression web to begin
with? if not follow this f ree ebook
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/setting-up-expression-web-ebook.htm

not all styles have been insrted by ew ...if the site in your addy is the
your talking about, some of the coding is incorrect in the embedded
styles....

If the site is large then you need better ways for maintenance... make sure
your using all your graphics, make sure all your pages are needed ... try to
reduce what you have to do. The best time to sort out a big site is always
right now as it can only get bigger (as I know quite well;)

If you want an easier life I suggest DWTs, includes for menus, an external
style sheet and all your formatting removed from the template, you could
keep the same design but use divs where needed and use classes and ids
instead of inserting your formatting within the html... I would also move to
xhtml ... with ew (and with fp03) xhtml is a total doddle to use all you do
is use one selection on the the right click in code view and it sorts it all
for you ... you have to know a few rules and setting up should be done first
for best effects... ew when set up correctly holds your hand with the code
and once your au fau with it it just serves as a quick reminder .. working
in split view helps big time to let it all soak in a lot quicker.

some more resources

Design Time Includes
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/tutorials/insert-include-pages.htm

Expression Web Dynamic Web Templates Ebook
http://any-expression.com/expression-web/ebooks/expression-web-dwt-ebook.htm

hth Tina
Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web Class
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http://frontpage-to-expression.com/
 

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