increase in file size ii

[leejav]

Hi Guys.

I've been searching through these forums for an answer to our problem. As
yet i've only found one topic which seems to be on the same lines, but the
solution doesn't help. Let me explain.

We've created some word templates on a mac. These templates include graphics
which we can't removed as they're part of the design. The graphics have been
inserted in to word as jpg images with medium compression (nothing more than
100K). The template (.dot) file is only 114K on the mac.

Now when these templates are sent to the client who works in word on a pc
and she opens and then saves the files (either as another .dot or a .doc) the
file sizes inflate to over 3mb in size without adding any additional graphics
or text.

I've been running a few tests with this over the morning and it seems that
if i create a .dot on a pc, with no content at all, and copy it to the mac.
Then place the same image in on the mac and send the file back to the PC, the
file DOESN'T inflate when it's then saved on the PC. It only seems to be with
word docs or tamplates that have been created on a mac which cause this
problem.

Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening? Also do you know how we
can 'fix' about 30 multi page word templates we've already created in word on
the mac so when they're sent to a pc they don't inflate in size?

Any help or advise would be appreciated.

Regards

Leigh

 

[leejav]

anyone have any ideas?

 

[John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]]

No. That's why I didn't answer the first time

Yes, we know "what" is causing it. But "No", you can't do anything about
it.

There's a cross-platform work-around to deal with the graphics
incompatibilities between the two platforms. Whenever the graphic hits the
"other" platform, Word converts it into the native format for that platform.
To avoid having to do this every time, it stores the conversion in the
document for fast display.

If you add a PICT to a Mac document, or PNG to a PC document, it will be
converted on the other platform. When it is converted, you end up with four
copies of the image in the document: the original and the low-resolution
"display" version on the Mac, and a High-res and low-res conversion on the
PC.

You might find that if you use PNG as the format for the graphics, it won't
be converted on either platform, so you won't get the bloat. Worth a try?

Cheers

anyone have any ideas?

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Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[leejav]

sorry about that. i'm just an impatient bugger.

i did read up on this problem before posting but i couldn't understand that
a blank word document created on a pc then copied to a mac wouldn't have the
same problem. i could import the graphics freely on the mac and then copy the
file back to a PC with no bloating.

I thought this might have been a different problem.

The graphics we were using were simple jpg images, which i thought would
have been standard on both machines anyway.

We never managed to get around the problem, we just told the client the
issues which they accepted.

cheers anyway.

Leigh

No. That's why I didn't answer the first time

Yes, we know "what" is causing it. But "No", you can't do anything about
it.

There's a cross-platform work-around to deal with the graphics
incompatibilities between the two platforms. Whenever the graphic hits the
"other" platform, Word converts it into the native format for that platform.
To avoid having to do this every time, it stores the conversion in the
document for fast display.

If you add a PICT to a Mac document, or PNG to a PC document, it will be
converted on the other platform. When it is converted, you end up with four
copies of the image in the document: the original and the low-resolution
"display" version on the Mac, and a High-res and low-res conversion on the
PC.

You might find that if you use PNG as the format for the graphics, it won't
be converted on either platform, so you won't get the bloat. Worth a try?

Cheers

anyone have any ideas?

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

 

[John McGhie]

Thanks Leigh:

Nothing "simple" about a JPEG There's about four different
formats, at least two different colour standards and all manner of
"extensions" to the format.

They're extremely complex.

Office on the PC and Office on the Mac can handle only "some" of the
possible permutations of JPEG, and regrettably, they can't each handle
ALL of the formats the other can use.

Sorry about that.

Cheers

sorry about that. i'm just an impatient bugger.

i did read up on this problem before posting but i couldn't understand that
a blank word document created on a pc then copied to a mac wouldn't have the
same problem. i could import the graphics freely on the mac and then copy the
file back to a PC with no bloating.

I thought this might have been a different problem.

The graphics we were using were simple jpg images, which i thought would
have been standard on both machines anyway.

We never managed to get around the problem, we just told the client the
issues which they accepted.

cheers anyway.

Leigh

No. That's why I didn't answer the first time

Yes, we know "what" is causing it. But "No", you can't do anything about
it.

There's a cross-platform work-around to deal with the graphics
incompatibilities between the two platforms. Whenever the graphic hits the
"other" platform, Word converts it into the native format for that platform.
To avoid having to do this every time, it stores the conversion in the
document for fast display.

If you add a PICT to a Mac document, or PNG to a PC document, it will be
converted on the other platform. When it is converted, you end up with four
copies of the image in the document: the original and the low-resolution
"display" version on the Mac, and a High-res and low-res conversion on the
PC.

You might find that if you use PNG as the format for the graphics, it won't
be converted on either platform, so you won't get the bloat. Worth a try?

Cheers

anyone have any ideas?

:

Hi Guys.

I've been searching through these forums for an answer to our problem. As
yet i've only found one topic which seems to be on the same lines, but the
solution doesn't help. Let me explain.

We've created some word templates on a mac. These templates include graphics
which we can't removed as they're part of the design. The graphics have been
inserted in to word as jpg images with medium compression (nothing more than
100K). The template (.dot) file is only 114K on the mac.

Now when these templates are sent to the client who works in word on a pc
and she opens and then saves the files (either as another .dot or a .doc) the
file sizes inflate to over 3mb in size without adding any additional graphics
or text.

I've been running a few tests with this over the morning and it seems that
if i create a .dot on a pc, with no content at all, and copy it to the mac.
Then place the same image in on the mac and send the file back to the PC, the
file DOESN'T inflate when it's then saved on the PC. It only seems to be with
word docs or tamplates that have been created on a mac which cause this
problem.

Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening? Also do you know how we
can 'fix' about 30 multi page word templates we've already created in word on
the mac so when they're sent to a pc they don't inflate in size?

Any help or advise would be appreciated.

Regards

Leigh

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410