Inline Frames and Themes

[Stony]

I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical, with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?

 

[Chuck Davis]

-----Original Message-----
I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical, with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?
.

You might be able to accomplish what you want using the
Theme pages with shared borders containing Include pages.
Help> Search on Include...

 

[Ronx]

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts, button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme, and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full set of
navigation that is on the framing page.

 

[Stony]

Thanks Chuck I'll take a look. Had enough for today though! And thanks for
your reply to my post on Lost Navigation Structures

 

[Stony]

When I started on this exercise I created a page with the inline frames as
described but not from within navigation view. Having made the page and had
it work as required I then dragged the page from folder view into the
navigation view and connected it to the required parent. At this stage all my
shared borders then went awol from all pages. Nothing I could do would get me
back to where I started. At this point I decided to download my web from the
web host to recover my local copy only to find my navigation structure had
now gone AWOL - hence my earlier post on this subject which you kindly sorted
for me. What do they say "when in a hole stop digging"!? Hence the posts and
very helpful they have been!
What I have done now is to move my new page(s) with the inline frame +
content to a new folder in the root of my web and converted that to a subweb
so that I can now apply colours and so on without a theme or borders and make
it reasonably consistent with the rest of my web. A link in my contents frame
allows the user to go back to the parent in the main web. The parent page
contains a link to the subweb. Seems to work fine though haven't publsihed
yet.
Do you foresee any problems with this?

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts, button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme, and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full set of
navigation that is on the framing page.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical, with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a
selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and
navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames
cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background
colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?

 

[Stony]

Chuck looked at include pages - couldn't see how this would help....
Thanks anyway...

 

[Stony]

Just found a problem with this! When I try to publish using FP2003/FTP my
subweb is ignored! What hapens to a subweb when it gets published? Does it
simply become a folder on the host? Should I convert my subweb back to a
folder before I publish?
Should I create a folder on the host and publish my subweb to that?
I see a hole developing here....

When I started on this exercise I created a page with the inline frames as
described but not from within navigation view. Having made the page and had
it work as required I then dragged the page from folder view into the
navigation view and connected it to the required parent. At this stage all my
shared borders then went awol from all pages. Nothing I could do would get me
back to where I started. At this point I decided to download my web from the
web host to recover my local copy only to find my navigation structure had
now gone AWOL - hence my earlier post on this subject which you kindly sorted
for me. What do they say "when in a hole stop digging"!? Hence the posts and
very helpful they have been!
What I have done now is to move my new page(s) with the inline frame +
content to a new folder in the root of my web and converted that to a subweb
so that I can now apply colours and so on without a theme or borders and make
it reasonably consistent with the rest of my web. A link in my contents frame
allows the user to go back to the parent in the main web. The parent page
contains a link to the subweb. Seems to work fine though haven't publsihed
yet.
Do you foresee any problems with this?

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts, button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme, and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full set of
navigation that is on the framing page.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical, with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a
selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and
navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames
cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background
colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?

 

[Ronx]

That should work without problems.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

When I started on this exercise I created a page with the inline frames as
described but not from within navigation view. Having made the page and
had
it work as required I then dragged the page from folder view into the
navigation view and connected it to the required parent. At this stage all
my
shared borders then went awol from all pages. Nothing I could do would get
me
back to where I started. At this point I decided to download my web from
the
web host to recover my local copy only to find my navigation structure had
now gone AWOL - hence my earlier post on this subject which you kindly
sorted
for me. What do they say "when in a hole stop digging"!? Hence the posts
and
very helpful they have been!
What I have done now is to move my new page(s) with the inline frame +
content to a new folder in the root of my web and converted that to a
subweb
so that I can now apply colours and so on without a theme or borders and
make
it reasonably consistent with the rest of my web. A link in my contents
frame
allows the user to go back to the parent in the main web. The parent page
contains a link to the subweb. Seems to work fine though haven't publsihed
yet.
Do you foresee any problems with this?

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts,
button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme,
and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These
can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not
contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they
may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in
frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full set
of
navigation that is on the framing page.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical,
with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a
selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and
navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing ones
and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw up
my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames
cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background
colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?

 

[Ronx]

On a non-extended web a subweb would take on the attributes of a normal
folder, but this is not a problem because all links in the subweb will be
relative. Even in an extended web, as far as the browser is concerned a
subweb is just another folder - its in editing and publishing the difference
comes to the fore.

When you published, did you set the publishing properties to include
subwebs? You should not need to create the folder yourself, but it would do
no harm.

Do not convert the subweb back to folder - this may upset your shared
borders again :-(

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

Just found a problem with this! When I try to publish using FP2003/FTP my
subweb is ignored! What hapens to a subweb when it gets published? Does it
simply become a folder on the host? Should I convert my subweb back to a
folder before I publish?
Should I create a folder on the host and publish my subweb to that?
I see a hole developing here....

When I started on this exercise I created a page with the inline frames
as
described but not from within navigation view. Having made the page and
had
it work as required I then dragged the page from folder view into the
navigation view and connected it to the required parent. At this stage
all my
shared borders then went awol from all pages. Nothing I could do would
get me
back to where I started. At this point I decided to download my web from
the
web host to recover my local copy only to find my navigation structure
had
now gone AWOL - hence my earlier post on this subject which you kindly
sorted
for me. What do they say "when in a hole stop digging"!? Hence the posts
and
very helpful they have been!
What I have done now is to move my new page(s) with the inline frame +
content to a new folder in the root of my web and converted that to a
subweb
so that I can now apply colours and so on without a theme or borders and
make
it reasonably consistent with the rest of my web. A link in my contents
frame
allows the user to go back to the parent in the main web. The parent page
contains a link to the subweb. Seems to work fine though haven't
publsihed
yet.
Do you foresee any problems with this?

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts,
button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme,
and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These
can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not
contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they
may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in
frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in
case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full
set of
navigation that is on the framing page.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical,
with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a
selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and
navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing
ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw
up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames
cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background
colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?

 

[Stony]

Thanks Ronx. Found it - in fact there called "subsites" in the remote web
site properties/publish options! After clicking that it worked fine!
It's very confusing when you get sub-webs/subsites/subdomains seemingly used
interchangeably. Should have kept digging....

On a non-extended web a subweb would take on the attributes of a normal
folder, but this is not a problem because all links in the subweb will be
relative. Even in an extended web, as far as the browser is concerned a
subweb is just another folder - its in editing and publishing the difference
comes to the fore.

When you published, did you set the publishing properties to include
subwebs? You should not need to create the folder yourself, but it would do
no harm.

Do not convert the subweb back to folder - this may upset your shared
borders again :-(

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

Just found a problem with this! When I try to publish using FP2003/FTP my
subweb is ignored! What hapens to a subweb when it gets published? Does it
simply become a folder on the host? Should I convert my subweb back to a
folder before I publish?
Should I create a folder on the host and publish my subweb to that?
I see a hole developing here....

When I started on this exercise I created a page with the inline frames
as
described but not from within navigation view. Having made the page and
had
it work as required I then dragged the page from folder view into the
navigation view and connected it to the required parent. At this stage
all my
shared borders then went awol from all pages. Nothing I could do would
get me
back to where I started. At this point I decided to download my web from
the
web host to recover my local copy only to find my navigation structure
had
now gone AWOL - hence my earlier post on this subject which you kindly
sorted
for me. What do they say "when in a hole stop digging"!? Hence the posts
and
very helpful they have been!
What I have done now is to move my new page(s) with the inline frame +
content to a new folder in the root of my web and converted that to a
subweb
so that I can now apply colours and so on without a theme or borders and
make
it reasonably consistent with the rest of my web. A link in my contents
frame
allows the user to go back to the parent in the main web. The parent page
contains a link to the subweb. Seems to work fine though haven't
publsihed
yet.
Do you foresee any problems with this?

:

A theme is simply a set of formatting instructions - colours, fonts,
button
images. A page containing inline frames is simply a page. A theme,
and/or
shared borders and/or navigation bars applied to the page will make no
difference to the rest of the web.

The pages displayed in the inline frames are, again, just pages. These
can
have the theme applied, but, for cosmetic reasons only, should not have
shared borders or navigation bars[1]. The contents page should not
contain
navigation based on the navigation view - although they will work, they
may
not work as intended. Link bars were never intended to be used in
frames.

There is no reason why applying a theme, or placing the frames page in
navigation view, should "screw up" anything. Details?

[1]Perhaps they should have discreet links to the home page (just in
case
they are opened outside the frame), but they should not have the full
set of
navigation that is on the framing page.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


I want to add a page to my web that shows two inline frames, vertical,
with
left showing a contents list and the other the actual contents of a
selected
htm file.
I have created this and it works fine. However.
The rest of my web has a theme applied and also shared borders and
navigation.
I would like to have my new page look similar to all the existing
ones and
include appropriate navigation.
If I add the new page to my structure using navigation view I screw
up my
theme and navigation for the whole web! I believe thatt inline frames
cannot
be used with themes. There seems no way I can even apply a background
colour!
If that is so how might I achieve my objective?