International Characters

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Neto

I'm running Word 2004 on a eMac, OS 10.3.4

I also run the pocket Word version that came with the my PocketPC.

I send Word 2004 files from the mac to the pocket PC.

The PocketPC version of Word works pretty fine, and opens the 2004 files
with no problems.

But if I use International Charcters on W2004 files, they appear all messed
up in the pocketpc version. So I have to save my portuguese files in RTF
instead of .doc to send to the PDA.

Aren't W2004 and Word for Windows CE supposed to be compatible?

And another detail: I have a file that I wrote on Word X, and it is
compatible on the PocketPC. Even the international characters. So I suppose
something related to the encoding of international characters changed from X
to 2004. Am I right?

Thanks for any help.

neto
 
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Paul Berkowitz

And another detail: I have a file that I wrote on Word X, and it is
compatible on the PocketPC. Even the international characters. So I suppose
something related to the encoding of international characters changed from X
to 2004. Am I right?
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Yes. Word 2004 does real Unicode now - meaning tens of thousands (maybe
hundreds of thousands) more international characters are available. And this
actually makes it much more compatible with Word Windows, which has had
Unicode for quite a while now, I would have expected the (reduced-size?)
Word on Windows CE to also be compatible. but perhaps it doesn't have
Unicode.

Latin characters with diacritics (accents) can be a special case, because
there are two different ways of doing them in Unicode. Still, I'd expect
Word Mac to do them the same as Word Win. Are you perhaps referring to file
_names_ - not the _content_ of the Word docs? In that case this would be the
reason: file names in the Mac OS X Finder may use "pre-composed"
Latin-characters-with accents, while Windows may use "de-composed". Or vice
versa, I forget. But I think it's true that they're different. Whichever
platform uses "pre-composed" will see the decomposed accents as separate
characters, plus unaccented characters following. And the platform that use
"de-composed" will see the pre-composed characters as some strange-looking
thing.

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Neto

Paul,

Thanks for the help Paul. But no, I'm not referring to file names, but the
text itself.

Word Win CE does not have (or at least I can't find any preferences to check
Unicode on the pocket version).

Is there any way to make word 2004 save files in the old unicode but keeping
the extension .doc?


This way I would sitck with old file format, but my files would be
compatible to both Word versions...know what I mean? Like...saving as Word X
in Word 2004.

Thanks again


n
 
B

Beth Rosengard

Hi Neto,

What font are you using? Not sure if this will work, but try changing the
font of your document to a non-Unicode font (providing it has all the
characters you need).

I had a list of the Unicode fonts in Word 2004 somewhere but I can't find it
now. I do remember, however, that Arial is not one of them. I believe that
Times New Roman is.

Hope this helps.

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Mac MVP

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Neto

Thanks Beth.

I was using Tahoma in both machines. Tried Arial...no joy...

Thanks anyway...
 
M

Matt Centurión [MSFT]

Paul,

Thanks for the help Paul. But no, I'm not referring to file names, but the
text itself.

Word Win CE does not have (or at least I can't find any preferences to check
Unicode on the pocket version).

Is there any way to make word 2004 save files in the old unicode but keeping
the extension .doc?


This way I would sitck with old file format, but my files would be
compatible to both Word versions...know what I mean? Like...saving as Word X
in Word 2004.

Thanks again


n
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Hi Neto, could you provide examples of characters you enter that are not
showing up correctly? Also, how do you transfer the files from Word2004 to
PocketWord?

Thx

Matt
MacWord Testing
Macintosh Business Unit

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Neto

Sure Matt.

I'm having problems with acents like é,ê,á, and ç, Ç.

To transfer files, I'm using Missing Sync (
http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_pocketpc.html)

I tried PocketMac but it is terrible.

Missing Sync mounts PocketPC as an external hard drive, then I simple drag
the files I want from one machine to the other.

The only Word file that worked fine, was an Word X file.

When I tested to re-save this same file in Word2004, and transferred it
again, the characters messed up. So clearly (at least for me) this a
compatibility issue between Word2004 and PocketWord.

Thanks for any help!





Paul,

Thanks for the help Paul. But no, I'm not referring to file names, but the
text itself.

Word Win CE does not have (or at least I can't find any preferences to check
Unicode on the pocket version).

Is there any way to make word 2004 save files in the old unicode but keeping
the extension .doc?


This way I would sitck with old file format, but my files would be
compatible to both Word versions...know what I mean? Like...saving as Word X
in Word 2004.

Thanks again


n
Click to expand...

Hi Neto, could you provide examples of characters you enter that are not
showing up correctly? Also, how do you transfer the files from Word2004 to
PocketWord?

Thx

Matt
MacWord Testing
Macintosh Business Unit

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Paul Berkowitz

It must be a decomposed vs. precomposed diacritics issue if Word in PocketPC
does Unicode (which I'm sure it must). There are two different ways of
representing most Latin letters with diacritics (accents).

Have you tried this with several fonts? Are they MS fonts or Apple fonts?

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From: Neto <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:17:15 -0300
Subject: Re: International Characters


Sure Matt.

I'm having problems with acents like é,ê,á, and ç, Ç.

To transfer files, I'm using Missing Sync (
http://www.markspace.com/missingsync_pocketpc.html)

I tried PocketMac but it is terrible.

Missing Sync mounts PocketPC as an external hard drive, then I simple drag
the files I want from one machine to the other.

The only Word file that worked fine, was an Word X file.

When I tested to re-save this same file in Word2004, and transferred it
again, the characters messed up. So clearly (at least for me) this a
compatibility issue between Word2004 and PocketWord.

Thanks for any help!





Paul,

Thanks for the help Paul. But no, I'm not referring to file names, but the
text itself.

Word Win CE does not have (or at least I can't find any preferences to check
Unicode on the pocket version).

Is there any way to make word 2004 save files in the old unicode but keeping
the extension .doc?


This way I would sitck with old file format, but my files would be
compatible to both Word versions...know what I mean? Like...saving as Word X
in Word 2004.

Thanks again


n
Click to expand...

Hi Neto, could you provide examples of characters you enter that are not
showing up correctly? Also, how do you transfer the files from Word2004 to
PocketWord?

Thx

Matt
MacWord Testing
Macintosh Business Unit

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Paul Berkowitz

On reflection, I'd bet that Word on PocketPC might be an older version that
doesn't do Unicode. Therefore it would work in a limited way with Word X -
your accented Latin letters would be OK but 100,000 or more characters from
non-Western-European languages would not be - but not with Word 2004. It's
actually no good using other fonts in 2004 - even if some font did not have
the Unicode character a font would be substituted that did.

Can you manage with Text Only? Try saving a copy in the various Text Only
formats including MS-DOS and MS-DOS with Line Breaks.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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Neto

Paul,

I was able to send files correctly using RTF. But changing the file format
is not a solution for me, because I'll have to manage two copies of each
file...well....in fact, what I should do is to set Word2004 to save all
files in RTF format, but is not exactly an elegant solution, right?

I'll try some text only formats and report a compatibility table here.

Thanks

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