irregular character spacing

  • Thread starter Jeremy Fieldsend
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Jeremy Fieldsend

Irrespective of what typeface I use, I'm getting irregular spacing
between characters. Anyone got any ideas how i might fix this?

Thanks
 
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CyberTaz

In addition to Elliott's always excellent & entertaining commentary,
remember that the _least_ accurate indicator of how the doc will wind
up on paper is the On-Screen Display. Monitors simply don't have the
accuracy (call it resolution if you wish) that printers have, so they
can often _not_ put the 'dots' in the right places. IOW, what looks
wrong on screen will usually print perfectly.

One other interpretation of your posting is that you may be accustomed
to working with monospaced (bitmap) fonts, which is a different story
altogether. If that is the case, post back for more info.

Regards |:>)
 
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Jeremy Fieldsend

CyberTaz said:
In addition to Elliott's always excellent & entertaining commentary,
remember that the _least_ accurate indicator of how the doc will wind
up on paper is the On-Screen Display. Monitors simply don't have the
accuracy (call it resolution if you wish) that printers have, so they
can often _not_ put the 'dots' in the right places. IOW, what looks
wrong on screen will usually print perfectly.

One other interpretation of your posting is that you may be accustomed
to working with monospaced (bitmap) fonts, which is a different story
altogether. If that is the case, post back for more info.

Regards |:>)

Thanks. But I haven't explained myself properly. There is no issue with
screen fonts. The propblem is with Word and this one LaserJet. Word and
other printers are fine. The characters are oddly spaced in the printed
version, the screen representation looks fine.

Thanks
 
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CyberTaz

Ahah! That is a different story. What you might be running into is that
some HPs have built-in fonts & if the data sent isn't using those fonts
a conversion takes place . I haven't used HP printers in nearly 10
years, so I won't pretend to have any answers for you, but my guess is
that the problem revolves aroung that type of issue.

Regards |:>)
 
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Jeremy Fieldsend

CyberTaz said:
Ahah! That is a different story. What you might be running into is that
some HPs have built-in fonts & if the data sent isn't using those fonts
a conversion takes place . I haven't used HP printers in nearly 10
years, so I won't pretend to have any answers for you, but my guess is
that the problem revolves aroung that type of issue.
But it used to be fine. In fact the same problem resolved itself (I did
so many things I can't be sure what did it) now the propblem has
re-surfaced. Someone has suggested it might be an OS 10.3.9 thing?

I can't find anything on HP's website either. I have a later version of
the problematic LaserJet in my office and there are no isues there...
 
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Beth Rosengard

Hi Jeremy,

I can't remember if anyone mentioned this yet so ...

Have you tried updating the HP's printer driver? Or reinstalling it? Or,
if you have the most current driver already, backing up to a *less* current
driver?

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CyberTaz

I just noticed Beth's suggestion re printer driver reinstallation, which is
pretty sound advice... Especially if you have recently done an OS X update.
Permissions Repair may also be in order.

Regards |:>)
 
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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Jeremy:

We had someone recently solve their "funny printing with HP" problems on OS
10.3.9 by going BACK a version on the HP printer driver.

You could try that...

Cheers

But it used to be fine. In fact the same problem resolved itself (I did
so many things I can't be sure what did it) now the propblem has
re-surfaced. Someone has suggested it might be an OS 10.3.9 thing?

I can't find anything on HP's website either. I have a later version of
the problematic LaserJet in my office and there are no isues there...

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
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Jeremy Fieldsend

CyberTaz said:
I just noticed Beth's suggestion re printer driver reinstallation, which is
pretty sound advice... Especially if you have recently done an OS X update.

Going to try that. Thanks.
Permissions Repair may also be in order.

Tried that too.
 
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Jeremy Fieldsend

John McGhie said:
Hi Jeremy:

We had someone recently solve their "funny printing with HP" problems on OS
10.3.9 by going BACK a version on the HP printer driver.

You could try that...
... and I shall. Thanks
 
J

Jeremy Fieldsend

Beth Rosengard said:
Hi Jeremy,

I can't remember if anyone mentioned this yet so ...

Have you tried updating the HP's printer driver?
Yes.

Or reinstalling it?
Yes

Or,
if you have the most current driver already, backing up to a *less* current
driver?

No. I'll give that a bash. Thanks
 
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Tyler Flynn

Initially, I thought my problem had been solved with this thread, but I
realised it hadn't been.

Perhaps someone can explain why Word or Notepad can display one piece of
text absolutely perfectly spaced (in terms of character spacing) and yet
Microsoft Word will add periodical "random" spacings between letters? If you
want an example of what I'm talking about, open a Microsoft Word document and
just hold down the letter 'i', and after about the 40th character, a random
condensation is made between two of the characters. You can see this kind of
thing in every typed thing in Microsoft Word if you look close enough at the
random spaces which are added. This makes it exTREMEly hard to keep focus on
the words when there are annoying spaces stuck here and there.

If Word and Notepad and Internet browsers can display text perfectly spaced,
what's wrong with Microsoft Word?

Someone please answer this problem, it drives me insane.
 
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Tyler Flynn

Actually, also, on top of that, it's not just character spacing, but I think
line spacing too, because it always seems that Microsoft Word has the lines
too close together.

Oh, and if you put one piece of text in Word in Arial size 9, for example,
and then put the exact same text, in the same font and size in Microsoft
Word, the compression is completely different.

Is there no such thing as standardisation?
 
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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Hi Tyler:

On 15/2/06 5:17 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "Tyler Flynn" <Tyler
Initially, I thought my problem had been solved with this thread, but I
realised it hadn't been.

Perhaps someone can explain why Word or Notepad can display one piece of
text absolutely perfectly spaced (in terms of character spacing) and yet
Microsoft Word will add periodical "random" spacings between letters?

Because you may have enabled Justification, Kerning, Hyphenation or
PostScript printing options in Word. Notepad does not support these
features.

Now: Did you mean "Notepad" and are we talking about a PC copy of Word
here, or did you mean "TextEdit"??
want an example of what I'm talking about, open a Microsoft Word document and
just hold down the letter 'i', and after about the 40th character, a random
condensation is made between two of the characters. You can see this kind of
thing in every typed thing in Microsoft Word if you look close enough at the
random spaces which are added. This makes it exTREMEly hard to keep focus on
the words when there are annoying spaces stuck here and there.

Interesting :) OK, that's an artefact of the display resolution.
Microsoft Word makes up its display in "twips", where a twip is one
twentieth of a point (1/1440 of an inch).

Your computer makes up its display in Pixels. For a 1024 x 768 display on a
15" monitor that's 1024 / 15 = 1/68th of an inch (actually, it's not: 15" is
the diagonal, not the horizontal measurement. But you know what I mean...)

Your printer makes up its pages based on its dpi rating. For a typical
high-end printer that's 1/4800th of an inch.

Now: Notepad/TextEdit simply plop the letters onto the line one beside the
other, each taking up the amount of space indicated by the font outline for
each letter.

Word attempts to emulate on the screen what you are going to see if you
print. So it first makes up the page image using the resolution and font
scaling reported by your printer driver. It then attempts to make up a
screen display that comes as close as possible to showing you what that will
look like if you print. But, as you can see, a display that can't position
things closer than 68 dpi is going to be left with positioning errors of up
to 70 dots.

Word has the choice of either displaying "half a letter" or mis-positioning
the letter slightly. Nudging the letter too far to the right looks nicer on
screen than chopping off bits of it.

One way of thinking about this is to say that TextEdit's display is not good
enough to show you the problem, Word's display IS. You should see the same
effect in any application capable of precision text output. Really high-end
applications such as Adobe CS 2 choose to do things the other way around:
they generate two print images, one using screen resolution, the other using
printer resolution. You don't "see" the inaccuracies that way, although
they must still be there because computer displays cannot position any
closer than their pixel pitch.
If Word and Notepad and Internet browsers can display text perfectly spaced,
what's wrong with Microsoft Word?

Nothing: The other two applications are lying :)
Someone please answer this problem, it drives me insane.

Print it. Believe what you see printed :)

Cheers

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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 

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