Jpeg or Gif images look fuzy at small sizes in Office2001

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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

I've been trying to insert a Logo into a document.Either in gif or jpeg format.

If I use a large (not excessively so) image and the use edit picture to
reduce its size the picture looks decent but then if I then convert to a PDF
to place on a website. The images takes a while to load almost as though its
drawing it pixel by pixel.

On the other hand if I use Graphics converter to scale a large image down to
size I need (and it looks great in Graphics converter) and insert in word
the image looks downright fuzzy looking before I even convert to the PDF.
am I resigned to the use of larger images and having word shrink them, and
having to put up with the long screen redraw in order to get a decent image.
If I allow word to convert an image, I've found my experience is the image
looks worse than terrible. So having word convert the image is not an option
I want to choose.
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Elliott Roper

Phillip M. Jones said:
I've been trying to insert a Logo into a document.Either in gif or jpeg
format.
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I have found 2 ways to avoid that with logos destined for PDF.
I. Use a fairly high res tiff 300-600 dpi depending on how you will use
it. Looks OK-ish in Word and on-screen after print to PDF.
1(b) If your high res tiff makes the PDF too large, open the PDF in
ColorSync (yes ColorSync) utility and change the compression. That will
do a more adjustable job than Word can.

2. Use an eps (It will look horrible if you go straight to PDF, but via
PS (output options in Panther's print dialog) and then use Preview to
convert the PS to PDF. It looks stunning at any magnification in
Preview or Acrobat reader, although the Word still shows it cruddy
preview. Of course it will print to a Postscript printer beautifully
too, direct from Word or via Preview.
 
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John McGhie [MVP - Word]

Hi Phillip:

Elliot is exactly right. Word does not "convert" any images when you
re-size them. It simply changes the "size" parameter at which the image is
displayed.

And yes, Adobe's PDF reader 6 has to be the slowest most unwieldy
application I have yet seen: it is indeed drawing the thing pixel by pixel
:)

As Elliot says, you must either resize the thing in a graphics program or
use an EPS. The graphics program resizes by removing pixels, so there are
less pixels to draw. Of course, you then get low resolution printing.

I might also be tempted to use WMF and try that. Modern applications should
convert this to WMZ for use on the web, which modern browsers should display
natively. WMZ (compressed WMF) is a simple vector format similar to EPS in
that it provides almost infinite resolution, but it's smaller than EPS and
does not require such a large and memory-hungry display converter.

For the technically minded, EPS is a vector format in which each object is a
curve (a straight line is a curve with zero curvature). WMF is a vector
format in which each object is a straight line. A point is a straight line
with zero length. Consequently EPS actually does have infinite resolution
(up to the scale of the maximum integers of which it is comprised) whereas
WMF will actually reveal itself to be a series of short straight lines if
you magnify it several hundred thousand per cent. WMF has a big sister: EMF
(and EMZ for the compressed format). These have much finer resolution
because they are comprised of 32-bit numbers instead of 16-bit numbers, and
thus will show a full colour table instead of the 16,000 colours of WMF.

For company logos, WMF is my preferred format because it's half the size of
EMF and less than a quarter the size of EPS.

Cheers

from "Phillip M. said:
I've been trying to insert a Logo into a document.Either in gif or jpeg
format.

If I use a large (not excessively so) image and the use edit picture to
reduce its size the picture looks decent but then if I then convert to a PDF
to place on a website. The images takes a while to load almost as though its
drawing it pixel by pixel.

On the other hand if I use Graphics converter to scale a large image down to
size I need (and it looks great in Graphics converter) and insert in word
the image looks downright fuzzy looking before I even convert to the PDF.
am I resigned to the use of larger images and having word shrink them, and
having to put up with the long screen redraw in order to get a decent image.
If I allow word to convert an image, I've found my experience is the image
looks worse than terrible. So having word convert the image is not an option
I want to choose.
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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Does GRaphics converter (Mac) use any of these formats?
Hi Phillip:

Elliot is exactly right. Word does not "convert" any images when you
re-size them. It simply changes the "size" parameter at which the image is
displayed.

And yes, Adobe's PDF reader 6 has to be the slowest most unwieldy
application I have yet seen: it is indeed drawing the thing pixel by pixel
:)

As Elliot says, you must either resize the thing in a graphics program or
use an EPS. The graphics program resizes by removing pixels, so there are
less pixels to draw. Of course, you then get low resolution printing.

I might also be tempted to use WMF and try that. Modern applications should
convert this to WMZ for use on the web, which modern browsers should display
natively. WMZ (compressed WMF) is a simple vector format similar to EPS in
that it provides almost infinite resolution, but it's smaller than EPS and
does not require such a large and memory-hungry display converter.

For the technically minded, EPS is a vector format in which each object is a
curve (a straight line is a curve with zero curvature). WMF is a vector
format in which each object is a straight line. A point is a straight line
with zero length. Consequently EPS actually does have infinite resolution
(up to the scale of the maximum integers of which it is comprised) whereas
WMF will actually reveal itself to be a series of short straight lines if
you magnify it several hundred thousand per cent. WMF has a big sister: EMF
(and EMZ for the compressed format). These have much finer resolution
because they are comprised of 32-bit numbers instead of 16-bit numbers, and
thus will show a full colour table instead of the 16,000 colours of WMF.

For company logos, WMF is my preferred format because it's half the size of
EMF and less than a quarter the size of EPS.

Cheers

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Elliott Roper

Phillip M. Jones said:
Does GRaphics converter (Mac) use any of these formats?
Click to expand...
WMF yes, and optionally with RLE4/RLE8 compression - whatever that is.
I can't see WMZ or EMF/EMZ in the list of output formats.
It is not really great at EPS, since it does not really deal in vector
images, although later versions will convert EPS to raster files and do
a nice line in PDF as images. In other words, GC will not make a
beautiful smooth EPS from a cruddy JPG.

Good ways to create original EPS are with Adobe Illustrator or
Macromedia Freehand. For logos with text effects, they are the
business.
 
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Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

Elliott said:
WMF yes, and optionally with RLE4/RLE8 compression - whatever that is.
I can't see WMZ or EMF/EMZ in the list of output formats.
It is not really great at EPS, since it does not really deal in vector
images, although later versions will convert EPS to raster files and do
a nice line in PDF as images. In other words, GC will not make a
beautiful smooth EPS from a cruddy JPG.

Good ways to create original EPS are with Adobe Illustrator or
Macromedia Freehand. For logos with text effects, they are the
business.
Click to expand...

would any of you be interested in viewing a sample word file with the logo in
question and a sample of the original logo. I'll send to you either in stuffit or
zip format.

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Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[email protected], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet
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mailto:p[email protected]

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<http://vpea.exis.net>
 
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Beth Rosengard

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Elliott Roper

Phillip M. Jones said:
would any of you be interested in viewing a sample word file with the logo in
question and a sample of the original logo. I'll send to you either in stuffit or
zip format.
Click to expand...

Oh orright then. change the nospam to elliott
 

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