"Keep with next" not working

[Ellen Finkelstein]

I have a style that's set to "Keep with Next" on the Line and Page Breaks tab
of the Paragraph dialog box. But it isn't working and text in that style is
often separated from the next paragraph, which is a different style. By
separated, I mean that the next paragraph goes on the following page. I'd
like to force text in that style to go to the next page, to keep it with the
next paragraph.

I've also tried selecting both paragraphs and choosing Format > Paragraph
and checking the Keep with Next check box. That doesn't work either.

Can anyone help me with this? Thanks,

Ellen

 

[Elliott Roper]

I have a style that's set to "Keep with Next" on the Line and Page Breaks tab
of the Paragraph dialog box. But it isn't working and text in that style is
often separated from the next paragraph, which is a different style. By
separated, I mean that the next paragraph goes on the following page. I'd
like to force text in that style to go to the next page, to keep it with the
next paragraph.

For the avoidance of doubt, keep with next forces the first paragraph
onto the next page.
Keep with next is a bit like a Tiptronic automatic gearbox in a car.
Keep with next tries as hard as it can to keep the paragraph so marked
with the next paragraph. If it will over-rev the engine, or result in a
conflict where no matter how you look at it, both paragraphs will
overfill a page, Word will change gear and split where you asked it not
to.

A common cause of this kind of mess is when every paragraph for pages
and pages has "keep with next" set. What's a poor Word processor to do?
Climb out through the keyboard, and tell you to put 5 meter long paper
in the printer?

If that is not happening, you might just have a numpty problem. Hit
cmd-8 to show paragraph marks and all to reassure yourself that there
are not two consecutive paragraph marks in the gap.

I've also tried selecting both paragraphs and choosing Format > Paragraph
and checking the Keep with Next check box. That doesn't work either.

That rules out numpty. But it makes it harder for Word to do your
bidding. Now those two *and* the next one will try to live on the same
page.

The usual reason for assigning "keep with next" to a style is to ask
single line headings to cling to the paragraph they head. If those
paragraphs also have "keep with next" as part of the style, then you
have the long page problem, and Word's tiptronic changes up before the
engine blows up.

Have you also set "keep lines together" for one or both paragraphs? It
would be instructive to uncheck that to see what happens to the page
breaks.

Sorry about the car analogy, it goes with the territory on usenet.

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Ellen:

You need Keep With Next on the preceding paragraph and "Keep Lines Together"
on both it and the following paragraph.

Otherwise, Word will split the following paragraph across the page break.
If you turn your paragraph marks on, you will see this.

You must disable Window/Orphan (which you should do anyway, since it
conflicts with Keep Lines Together.

However, there is a bug/feature. A nasty horrible work-around to a bug
years back caused them to disable the page throw for the paragraph
immediately before or after a table (because it corrupts the document if you
allow it).

To make those behave, you are going to have to force it.

Another bug/feature is that Keep With Next is intentionally disabled within
a table where the row straddles a page.

On the other hand, if the paragraph has corrupted (and if you have been
playing around with formatting, it might have...) then nothing you do will
put it right because corrupted paragraph marks become read-only, and when
that happens, you can't change any formatting, because the paragraph mark is
where the formatting is stored.

You will get used to it... eventually

I have a style that's set to "Keep with Next" on the Line and Page Breaks tab
of the Paragraph dialog box. But it isn't working and text in that style is
often separated from the next paragraph, which is a different style. By
separated, I mean that the next paragraph goes on the following page. I'd
like to force text in that style to go to the next page, to keep it with the
next paragraph.

I've also tried selecting both paragraphs and choosing Format > Paragraph
and checking the Keep with Next check box. That doesn't work either.

Can anyone help me with this? Thanks,

Ellen

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