Keep with next style

[GavinS]

I have some bullet points assigned a style. I would like the sentence
that precedes this list to alway stay with the list and not
potentially be seperated by a page break - using Keep With Next.

These preceding sentences also have styles applied - sometimes it
might be Heading 3 or it may just be Normal. Can I just apply a style
to the preceding sentence that just contains the Keep With Next format
and doesn't interfere with any existing style applied or do I have to
create a seperate "Follow-on" style that includes the Keep With Next
for all styles that exist in each of these preceding sentences.

Thanks

 

[DeanH]

No and Yes.
You cannot just apply a Style that just has "Keep with Next" that will not
interfere with the existing style. To do this, the Style would be a Character
Style and unfortunately "Keep with Next" is a paragraph attribute.
Yes you could create a "Keep with Next" style version of all the styles that
could potentially appear before a bullet list, but personally I would not do
this.
Usually all my Heading styles have KWN already as an attribute so these
styles behave themselves.
For all other styles I tend to manually apply the KWN attribute via a icon
on my customised formatting toolbar.
Previously (years ago) I did ask this forum about a possible "Keep with
Previous" attribute but was told that Mircosoft did not believe this was of
any use so would not code this function. <shrug-shoulders>
Hope this helps
DeanH

 

[grammatim]

Then Microsoft was wrong. FrameMaker has Keep with Previous, and one
of the problems switching to Word was figuring out how to redo some
things when it wasn't available. (I don't remember what they were.)

 

[DeanH]

Thanks Grammatim.
So they can do it! I have never used FrameMaker but that is certainly of
interest, I just vaguely remember seeing a discussion about this some years
ago, where someone said that their friend said, that their uncle said, that
MS said....
This function would be nice, along with the other I would like added, namely
the "Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style" and the ability to
STILL have a space defined for between the same style and then have the
larger space at the end. I get there in the end at the moment but such a
development of this function would be greatly appreciated.
DeanH

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

MVPs (among many others, I'm sure) have been requesting "Keep with previous"
for many versions now. Perhaps someday the devs will listen. It wouldn't
hurt for the legal community (a strong component of Word users) to weigh in
on this, as they have a need to have signature blocks and other end matter
kept with at least one paragraph of a preceding letter, contract, etc.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Then Microsoft was wrong. FrameMaker has Keep with Previous, and one
of the problems switching to Word was figuring out how to redo some
things when it wasn't available. (I don't remember what they were.)

 

[grammatim]

My other publisher has turned his office into a Mac museum -- he
collects machines that run OS 9, because FrameMaker wasn't upgraded
for OS X, and he will continue to use FM 6 forever. (I have to
reluctantly abandon FM because Adobe then failed to upgrade it for
Unicode, even in 7.2.)

But if you don't need to type in a wide range of scripts that will
then be portable all over the world, by all means learn FrameMaker --
it's superior to Word and InDesign in every other respect that I've
ever had to use.

(But they've been incorporating FM features into InDesign gradually,
and in CS4 may have gotten most of them -- but there won't be any
books about InDesign CS4 until the end of the year. I see there's one
on Photoshop CS4 already, but I won't be needing to do anything fancy
with it at all.)