Keep with next

[oe]

I have a problem with certain styles and Keep with Next. For example, I have
Heading 3, a numbered paragraph, set to keep with next. My next paragraph
style is called BT2.

When the text goes onto the next page, Heading 3 is kept on one page and BT2
taken to the next. The only way I can get round this is manually setting
Keep Lines Together.

Can anyone help, please?

 

[Terry Farrell]

If Heading 3 and the numbered paragraph are both set to Keep With Next, it
should work. Are these styles set for Keep with Next?

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

My guess is that you're inserting an empty paragraph to create space between
the heading and Body Text paragraph (by pressing Enter twice). The result is
a good example of why this is discouraged. Add some Space After to your
Heading 3 style instead.

 

[oe]

No, I'm not adding a paragraph space - I definitely have the styles as
stated. That is why I can't understand it!

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Make sure that the Body Text style is not also formatted as KWN. If *all*
paragraphs have that formatting, then Word throws up its hands and breaks
the page whenever it's full.

 

[oe]

They are formatted like this:

Heading 3:
Normal + Font 11pt, all caps, Indent: left 1.75, hanging 1 cm. Justified.
Space after 12 pt KWN, Level 3, ....

(Next para) BT2:
Left 1.5 ....

Nothing amiss there that I can see. What am I missing?!!!

 

[Terry Farrell]

You don't have them in a table do you?

Terry

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Nothing that I can see, though 12 pts Space After seems excessive to me,
especially for 11-point text. As a general rule, you should have at least
twice as much space before a heading as after, and usually 3-6 points is
enough if the body text is single-spaced.

 

[ariana]

No, not in a table

You don't have them in a table do you?

Terry

 

[Terry Farrell]

Well unless there is a hidden paragraph between the heading and following
paragraph, I don't understand why it isn't working. Are you able to make the
document available to us?

Terry

 

[oe]

Sorry I can't send document, it is a very long specification.
Re. Suzanne's comments regarding the spacing - all the paragraphs have 12
before and after. This works well as contractors like space for their own
use, to make notes when pricing.

I have checked everything again - no hidden paragraphs, etc. I will just
have to check through at the end and use Keep Lines Together if the heading
becomes separated from its following paragraph.

Thanks for trying, anyway!

 

[oe]

Hi Terry

I have managed to take an excerpt from a document which gives an example of
the problem. Would it be possible to email it to you rather than to the
whole group, please?

TIA.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

You can send it to my email if you like.

 

[oe]

Thanks, I have sent it on to you.

You can send it to my email if you like.

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Words into Type
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[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

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