Leopard hates CE characters!

[baritonedecky]

I have been entering Czech characters in the Century Schoolbook CE
font in Word 2004 for years, via Insert --> Symbol. On switching to
Leopard, all of a sudden the Symbol character palette reverts to
Roman, or basic Latin characters. All of the CE characters are
missing. In my documents, these characters now display as spaces.

I can actually use Word's Find/Replace window to rectify these spaces,
by copying the character in Character Palette --> Glyphs, and pasting
it into Find/Replace. This displays the correct characters in the
correct font!

My three questions are:
1) can I set keyboard shortcuts for characters in Character Palette --

Glyphs, like I used to have set up in Insert --> Symbol?

2) can I change Word 2004's encoding settings to show these characters
once again in Symbol?
3) would buying Office 2008 solve this problem?

Thank you.

 

[John McGhie]

OS 10.5 and Word 2004 expect Unicode fonts. High-quality Unicode fonts
already contain all the CE characters.

Before spending any money, I would try Times New Roman font. It is a modern
Unicode font with five times the character range of some of the older fonts.

If that fixes the issue for you, then you can obtain a new Unicode versions
of Century Schoolbook.

Yes, you can set up either keyboard shortcuts, or place the characters in
AutoCorrect. AutoCorrect may be more convenient.

Can you add these characters to Word's Symbol menu? No.

Would Word 2008 be better? Not until they get their font bugs out of it.
Then, yes, it should be perfect. But right at the moment, it will give you
"new bugs". Ask again after mid-March when the Service Release for Word
2008 comes out.

Hope this helps

I have been entering Czech characters in the Century Schoolbook CE
font in Word 2004 for years, via Insert --> Symbol. On switching to
Leopard, all of a sudden the Symbol character palette reverts to
Roman, or basic Latin characters. All of the CE characters are
missing. In my documents, these characters now display as spaces.

I can actually use Word's Find/Replace window to rectify these spaces,
by copying the character in Character Palette --> Glyphs, and pasting
it into Find/Replace. This displays the correct characters in the
correct font!

My three questions are:
1) can I set keyboard shortcuts for characters in Character Palette --
2) can I change Word 2004's encoding settings to show these characters
once again in Symbol?
3) would buying Office 2008 solve this problem?

Thank you.

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia

 

[baritonedecky]

Thanks Mr. McGhie for your response. I'll just address a few of your
suggestions:

I have discovered using key commands in the US Extended keyboard input
menu to generate the CE symbols quickly -- that is, option-v for the
hacek, or caron symbol, for example. Of course, I have always used
these key commands for the basic symbols (ie. option-e for acute) but
didn't know this existed for the extended characters. So, this solves
my quick input question. (I previously had my F-keys set up for all
the CE characters, but with these characters mysteriously missing in
Symbol since the Leopard update, that is no longer possible.) Many
fonts display the characters beautifully on the screen, but I have
learned that only the CE fonts show up in PDF or once printed.

In order to "repair" my documents have managed to obtain from
fonts.com the font in question: Century Schoolbook CE, in its full
family/volume package, in both PostScript TT1 and OpenType formats.
They both contain the CE characters, but the characters are not
visible in Symbol. Times New Roman (a font I've always liked) does not
display the CE characters in Symbol either, even though I know the
characters are in the set. Times CE, which comes on board, does,
however, show these characters in Symbol. Wondering if that's
consistent with your machine in Word '04 & Leopard...

So.. I have solved my input issues with the US extended keyboard, but
my old documents still have those spaces all over where the CE
characters should be. As I mentioned in my first posting, I can do a
find/replace of all of these spaces, since Word identifies the spaces
consistently (ie. the space which should show up as "o with ring
above" is consistently the same code.) But this is extremely time
consuming to make this change across the board.

Thanks for your continued advice. I'm sure February is warmer in
Australia than it is in Canada!
Jason.

 

[John McGhie]

One thing to try: Play around with the "Font Substitution" in one of those
documents.

Word>Preferences>Compatibility and click the Font Substation button. If it
shows a missing font, try substituting the new CE font for it. That might
suddenly bring the document right.

The fact that it can find and replace the "spaces" indicates that the
correct Unicode character code is stored in the document. But the font it
is mapping to has no character at that position.

If you can change the font for one that does have a character at that
position, it may suddenly spring to life.

We have an open question to Microsoft asking how to add fonts to Word's
Symbol font list. You can do it in PC Word, we just have not discovered how
to do it in Mac Word. It's bound to be in a plist: we just have to find
which one, and how to edit it.

Cheers

Thanks Mr. McGhie for your response. I'll just address a few of your
suggestions:

I have discovered using key commands in the US Extended keyboard input
menu to generate the CE symbols quickly -- that is, option-v for the
hacek, or caron symbol, for example. Of course, I have always used
these key commands for the basic symbols (ie. option-e for acute) but
didn't know this existed for the extended characters. So, this solves
my quick input question. (I previously had my F-keys set up for all
the CE characters, but with these characters mysteriously missing in
Symbol since the Leopard update, that is no longer possible.) Many
fonts display the characters beautifully on the screen, but I have
learned that only the CE fonts show up in PDF or once printed.

In order to "repair" my documents have managed to obtain from
fonts.com the font in question: Century Schoolbook CE, in its full
family/volume package, in both PostScript TT1 and OpenType formats.
They both contain the CE characters, but the characters are not
visible in Symbol. Times New Roman (a font I've always liked) does not
display the CE characters in Symbol either, even though I know the
characters are in the set. Times CE, which comes on board, does,
however, show these characters in Symbol. Wondering if that's
consistent with your machine in Word '04 & Leopard...

So.. I have solved my input issues with the US extended keyboard, but
my old documents still have those spaces all over where the CE
characters should be. As I mentioned in my first posting, I can do a
find/replace of all of these spaces, since Word identifies the spaces
consistently (ie. the space which should show up as "o with ring
above" is consistently the same code.) But this is extremely time
consuming to make this change across the board.

Thanks for your continued advice. I'm sure February is warmer in
Australia than it is in Canada!
Jason.

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia

 

[baritonedecky]

Thanks for your continued suggestions. Font Substitution says nothing
needs to be substituted.

I had the same thought as you about the spaces proving that the
correct Unicode character must still be stored. That is how I got on
to trying the Find/Replace thing. I think I am resigned to doing that
for these documents. Future input will be easy with the extended US
keyboard commands.

If you hear anything back from Microsoft regarding adding fonts to
Word's Symbol font list, I would love it if you could email me on how
to do it!

All the best,
J

 

[thg]

Future input will be easy with the extended US
keyboard commands.

You can also use the Czech or Czech-qwerty keyboard layouts provided
by Apple.

 

[John McGhie]

Try "Disabling" the font of the missing characters.

That should force Font Substitution to ask for a replacement. Replace it
with something else at random.

Then use Search/Replace to find all instances of the font you replaced with
and replace it with your new font. Make sure there is NOTHING in either the
find or replacement boxes when you do this, or you will rip the text out

But that will switch the fonts, and potentially may straighten out the
coding when it does. Hope so...

Cheers

Thanks for your continued suggestions. Font Substitution says nothing
needs to be substituted.

I had the same thought as you about the spaces proving that the
correct Unicode character must still be stored. That is how I got on
to trying the Find/Replace thing. I think I am resigned to doing that
for these documents. Future input will be easy with the extended US
keyboard commands.

If you hear anything back from Microsoft regarding adding fonts to
Word's Symbol font list, I would love it if you could email me on how
to do it!

All the best,
J

--
Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia