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Message: [QUOTE="david epsom dot com dot au, post: 2562373"] Well, except if somebody just entered the record: then you have to wait until the record is written back to the database, then wait until it is read from the database into your record cache. It may take 5 or more seconds until you get the new record, and of course you won't be able to read it or count it until you get it. But yes, the record count always returns the number of records you currently have - and if you move last you always have all the records you can find. (david) [/QUOTE]