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letuce dance
the ribbon thing is driving me nuts.
how do I make 2007 look like 2003 with menus.
how do I make 2007 look like 2003 with menus.
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Gordon
letuce said:the ribbon thing is driving me nuts.
how do I make 2007 look like 2003 with menus.
With 3rd party software. I suggest you learn to use the ribbon....have
you discovered the QAT yet?
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letuce dance
I'm not a fan of tool bars. So the QAT is not really something that
interests me.
I would like the ribbon to go away. It’s a confusing mess to me.
I know there has been much debate about the ribbon thing.
I have been a developer working on MS since dos 3.2 I think. Not sure if I
can remember that far back. I’m usually a fan of MS stuff in general.
But I’m really struggling with the ribbon. I just don’t like it. I’m
trying to use it but it keeps making me mad. It’s like in my way. I know
what I want to do and it’s there stopping me.
I would hate to have to write my own VBA application to get my old world
back but if it keeps me sane I might just have to?
interests me.
I would like the ribbon to go away. It’s a confusing mess to me.
I know there has been much debate about the ribbon thing.
I have been a developer working on MS since dos 3.2 I think. Not sure if I
can remember that far back. I’m usually a fan of MS stuff in general.
But I’m really struggling with the ribbon. I just don’t like it. I’m
trying to use it but it keeps making me mad. It’s like in my way. I know
what I want to do and it’s there stopping me.
I would hate to have to write my own VBA application to get my old world
back but if it keeps me sane I might just have to?
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letuce dance
so I spent some time reading your posts gordo.
you are a ribbon cheerleader. good job on that.
I did an informal poll during my last develpers meeting today. not one
person in the room of 10 could say they liked the ribbon in any way.
Everyone said they pretty much hated it complely. I have joined them in
hating it since I was recently forceably upgraded to office 2007.
So MS thinks this is the UI of the future?
Lots of research was done.
Bright young minds decided it was cool.
Marketing came up with special new terminolgy to pimp it.
you are a ribbon cheerleader. good job on that.
I did an informal poll during my last develpers meeting today. not one
person in the room of 10 could say they liked the ribbon in any way.
Everyone said they pretty much hated it complely. I have joined them in
hating it since I was recently forceably upgraded to office 2007.
So MS thinks this is the UI of the future?
Lots of research was done.
Bright young minds decided it was cool.
Marketing came up with special new terminolgy to pimp it.
H
Herb Tyson [MVP]
There are a number of options for you. First, if there's no corporate reason
to use Office 2007, then revert to 2003. Given that there was a free trial
version, I can't grasp someone buying Office 2007 without having tried it
first... particularly a developer.
Second, there are some 3rd party products that restore the Word 2003
interface. One of them is even free, I believe. I don't know about the
other Office apps.
Third, almost all of the keystrokes from Office 2003 still work in Office
2007--even the ones that seemingly depended on there being a menu in place.
Just pretend that the menu is still there... you will [almost always] end up
the same place you would have in Office 2003.
Fourth, you say you're not a toolbar fan. Point taken, but does that mean
you didn't use the style, font, point size, etc. tools in Word, Excel, PP,
2003 at all? If you did, but weren't really thinking about the basics when
you said you weren't a toolbar fan, it's possible to set the QAT up so that
it looks and works a whole lot like the basic toolbars from Office 2003.
This has been my salvation, since it means I always know what font, style,
etc. are in effect, regardless of which ribbon tab is showing. For one
approach in Word 2007 (same basic principles apply to other Office 2007
applications), see:
http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com/2009/01/14/making-word-2007-a-little-more-familiar-2/
For the most part, the ribbon was (IMO) an ergonomic nightmare. But, by
selectively putting what I need onto the QAT and by continuing to use the
keyboard shortcuts and macros I've been using/developing/adapting for the
past 20+ years in prior versions of Word and other Office applications, I've
managed to become more productive with Office 2007 (not because of the
ribbon, but because of other features, such as improved graphics, live
preview, content controls, and more robust and smaller files).
to use Office 2007, then revert to 2003. Given that there was a free trial
version, I can't grasp someone buying Office 2007 without having tried it
first... particularly a developer.
Second, there are some 3rd party products that restore the Word 2003
interface. One of them is even free, I believe. I don't know about the
other Office apps.
Third, almost all of the keystrokes from Office 2003 still work in Office
2007--even the ones that seemingly depended on there being a menu in place.
Just pretend that the menu is still there... you will [almost always] end up
the same place you would have in Office 2003.
Fourth, you say you're not a toolbar fan. Point taken, but does that mean
you didn't use the style, font, point size, etc. tools in Word, Excel, PP,
2003 at all? If you did, but weren't really thinking about the basics when
you said you weren't a toolbar fan, it's possible to set the QAT up so that
it looks and works a whole lot like the basic toolbars from Office 2003.
This has been my salvation, since it means I always know what font, style,
etc. are in effect, regardless of which ribbon tab is showing. For one
approach in Word 2007 (same basic principles apply to other Office 2007
applications), see:
http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com/2009/01/14/making-word-2007-a-little-more-familiar-2/
For the most part, the ribbon was (IMO) an ergonomic nightmare. But, by
selectively putting what I need onto the QAT and by continuing to use the
keyboard shortcuts and macros I've been using/developing/adapting for the
past 20+ years in prior versions of Word and other Office applications, I've
managed to become more productive with Office 2007 (not because of the
ribbon, but because of other features, such as improved graphics, live
preview, content controls, and more robust and smaller files).
G
Gordon
letuce said:so I spent some time reading your posts gordo.
you are a ribbon cheerleader. good job on that.
I did an informal poll during my last develpers meeting today. not one
person in the room of 10 could say they liked the ribbon in any way.
Since when do developers do "ordinary" work using Office? Have you asked
people who spend ALL day EVERY day using Office?
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letuce dance
“First, if there's no corporate reason
to use Office 2007, then revert to 2003. Given that there was a free trial
version, I can't grasp someone buying Office 2007 without having tried it
first... particularly a developer.â€
Obviously you don’t work in a large corprate enviroment. We get a standard
imaged machine. It has what it has. End of story. Reverting back to 2003 is
not an option. It’s a forced death march kind of thing. And installing non
approved software(free ware) from some unknown web site that does some office
stuff is also a violation.
I don’t use word a lot. Thankfully. I use excel a ton and it’s a different
type of animal.(IMO) word is a world in it’s own. Dragging excel into the
ribbon thing is a mistake I think.
I just think it’s rather funny. Over the last couple of weeks I have asked
everybody I know; “when did you get downgraded to office 2007?†; the laugh
and we discuss how crappy office 2007 ribbon thing is.
I have yet to meet 1 person who thinks it’s an improvement or likes the
ribbon in any way.
Thanks for the tips. I have kind of reached a compromise by hiding the
ribbon and using key strokes.
It just strikes me that the big new revolutionaly gui is something I hide
because it’s so unuseable. Of the 25-30 IT people I work with we all hate
it. And several of us have moved to openoffice on our home pc because 2007
was so anoying.
to use Office 2007, then revert to 2003. Given that there was a free trial
version, I can't grasp someone buying Office 2007 without having tried it
first... particularly a developer.â€
Obviously you don’t work in a large corprate enviroment. We get a standard
imaged machine. It has what it has. End of story. Reverting back to 2003 is
not an option. It’s a forced death march kind of thing. And installing non
approved software(free ware) from some unknown web site that does some office
stuff is also a violation.
I don’t use word a lot. Thankfully. I use excel a ton and it’s a different
type of animal.(IMO) word is a world in it’s own. Dragging excel into the
ribbon thing is a mistake I think.
I just think it’s rather funny. Over the last couple of weeks I have asked
everybody I know; “when did you get downgraded to office 2007?†; the laugh
and we discuss how crappy office 2007 ribbon thing is.
I have yet to meet 1 person who thinks it’s an improvement or likes the
ribbon in any way.
Thanks for the tips. I have kind of reached a compromise by hiding the
ribbon and using key strokes.
It just strikes me that the big new revolutionaly gui is something I hide
because it’s so unuseable. Of the 25-30 IT people I work with we all hate
it. And several of us have moved to openoffice on our home pc because 2007
was so anoying.
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letuce dance
yes Gordo I have.
how much do they pay you to pump office ribbon gui?
because looking at your past posts it sure looks like you also pump junk
stocks.
developers can also work with common folks; like yourself. people who types
letters and such. answer phones and help people. do financial analysis.
write press releases and do graphic design. These are things that happen
where I work.
Do tell Gordo; what exactly do you do? You must have a fascinating repartee
cooking.
how much do they pay you to pump office ribbon gui?
because looking at your past posts it sure looks like you also pump junk
stocks.
developers can also work with common folks; like yourself. people who types
letters and such. answer phones and help people. do financial analysis.
write press releases and do graphic design. These are things that happen
where I work.
Do tell Gordo; what exactly do you do? You must have a fascinating repartee
cooking.
H
Herb Tyson [MVP]
I prefaced what I said by "if there's no corporate reason to use Office
2007". That might have suggested to you that I'm thoroughly familiar with
the limitations of working for a megalith... that being the reason I long
ago chose self-employment. My contact with such organizations now is as an
outsider and a consultant. I use those tools that best help me get the job
done.
We all make choices... Good luck.
--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com
2007". That might have suggested to you that I'm thoroughly familiar with
the limitations of working for a megalith... that being the reason I long
ago chose self-employment. My contact with such organizations now is as an
outsider and a consultant. I use those tools that best help me get the job
done.
We all make choices... Good luck.
--
Herb Tyson MS MVP
Author of the Word 2007 Bible
Blog: http://word2007bible.herbtyson.com
Web: http://www.herbtyson.com
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Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Why don't both you and Gordon just decide to disagree on this issuse?
Your recent posts and Gordon's responses add nothing to the forum in terms
of usability or tips to go back to the older menu style. If you must,
please take it off list.
Just my $ .02.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
After furious head scratching, letuce dance asked:
| yes Gordo I have.
| how much do they pay you to pump office ribbon gui?
| because looking at your past posts it sure looks like you also pump
| junk stocks.
| developers can also work with common folks; like yourself. people
| who types letters and such. answer phones and help people. do
| financial analysis. write press releases and do graphic design.
| These are things that happen where I work.
| Do tell Gordo; what exactly do you do? You must have a fascinating
| repartee cooking.
Your recent posts and Gordon's responses add nothing to the forum in terms
of usability or tips to go back to the older menu style. If you must,
please take it off list.
Just my $ .02.
--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375
After furious head scratching, letuce dance asked:
| yes Gordo I have.
| how much do they pay you to pump office ribbon gui?
| because looking at your past posts it sure looks like you also pump
| junk stocks.
| developers can also work with common folks; like yourself. people
| who types letters and such. answer phones and help people. do
| financial analysis. write press releases and do graphic design.
| These are things that happen where I work.
| Do tell Gordo; what exactly do you do? You must have a fascinating
| repartee cooking.
G
Gemini
LOL! It looks like some things never change. There's always someone looking
to escape the clutches of the Ribbon and Gordon belittling those who don't
like the Ribbon.
letuce dance, I'm with you. After using the trial version for a few weeks
(and seeing productivity go down the tubes), I reverted to Office 2003. The
cartoonish Ribbon and Excel's habit of crashing randomly led to that decision.
I've had a few exchanges with Gordon as well on the same issue. If memory
serves me right, he's a retired Systems Accountant and had never heard of the
term "power user" before.
BTW, letuce dance, despite the fact you're a "captive" user, you do count as
one of the "successes" of the Ribbon, since it is now resident on your work
computer.
Someone had posted a link to a location on MS's site, which led to these 3rd
party add-ons. Perhaps MS IS getting the message that not everyone thinks the
Ribbon is all that wonderful.
You can also send MS your comments about the Ribbon. In addition, you can
even send Jensen Harris (he led the team that came up with the Ribbon) an
email from his blog.
All in all, I feel for you and all other "captive" users (I've met quite a
few of them) who have had the Ribbon shoved down their throats. As Herb Tyson
observed, one of the advantages of being self-employed is being able to
choose your own tools, rather than have something shoved down your throat.
All the best!
-- gemini
to escape the clutches of the Ribbon and Gordon belittling those who don't
like the Ribbon.
letuce dance, I'm with you. After using the trial version for a few weeks
(and seeing productivity go down the tubes), I reverted to Office 2003. The
cartoonish Ribbon and Excel's habit of crashing randomly led to that decision.
I've had a few exchanges with Gordon as well on the same issue. If memory
serves me right, he's a retired Systems Accountant and had never heard of the
term "power user" before.
BTW, letuce dance, despite the fact you're a "captive" user, you do count as
one of the "successes" of the Ribbon, since it is now resident on your work
computer.
Someone had posted a link to a location on MS's site, which led to these 3rd
party add-ons. Perhaps MS IS getting the message that not everyone thinks the
Ribbon is all that wonderful.
You can also send MS your comments about the Ribbon. In addition, you can
even send Jensen Harris (he led the team that came up with the Ribbon) an
email from his blog.
All in all, I feel for you and all other "captive" users (I've met quite a
few of them) who have had the Ribbon shoved down their throats. As Herb Tyson
observed, one of the advantages of being self-employed is being able to
choose your own tools, rather than have something shoved down your throat.
All the best!
-- gemini
B
BCP
I agree that the ribbon is a nightmare. I hate it and everyone I know hates
it.
Yes you can still use the old key strokes, and that's great if you can
remember them, whereas in the past you could use keystrokes in conjunction
with the menus and that made it quick and easy to get around. I've got a new
computer now and am trying out Office 2007 and this morning spent AGES trying
to find out how/where to get to hide/show columns & rows in Excel. Then
another age trying to find how to insert a column. The great thing about
Microsoft programs before Office 2007 was that they all had a similar look
and feel and they all worked really well using the keyboard. And those that
wanted to use icons and a mouse could use those instead. Microsoft have
wrecked that with Office 2007.
Does anyone know if they're going to be more sensible in the next version of
Office?
it.
Yes you can still use the old key strokes, and that's great if you can
remember them, whereas in the past you could use keystrokes in conjunction
with the menus and that made it quick and easy to get around. I've got a new
computer now and am trying out Office 2007 and this morning spent AGES trying
to find out how/where to get to hide/show columns & rows in Excel. Then
another age trying to find how to insert a column. The great thing about
Microsoft programs before Office 2007 was that they all had a similar look
and feel and they all worked really well using the keyboard. And those that
wanted to use icons and a mouse could use those instead. Microsoft have
wrecked that with Office 2007.
Does anyone know if they're going to be more sensible in the next version of
Office?
G
Gordon
I've got a new computer now and am trying out Office 2007 and this
morning spent AGES trying
to find out how/where to get to hide/show columns & rows in Excel.
Err it's EXACTLY where it was before.....highlight the columns/Rows,
right-click, select "hide"......
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