Merging two separate Word docs?

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mvhetes

This mat be "old hat" to some of you, but I can't find -- anywhere in
the help files for Word (Mac Office 2001) -- a solution for this.

I'm trying to take two separate Mac Word 2001 docs (that have all the
copy in text BOXES) and combine them into a single two-page document.
Can I do this at all?

And on a related note:
Is it possible, as with InDesign and QuarkXPress, to "paste behind"?
That is, could one take a colored text box (or other graphical
element) and send it behind a block of text? Please keep in mind that
this is for Word (Office) 2001. Thanks in advance.
 
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CyberTaz

Boy, that's going back a way:) I'm going strictly on my [poor] memore here!

If the content is in text boxes I believe you're best bet is to copy &
paste... you might check in the Tools menu for a Merge & Compare feature or
that version most likely does have an Insert> File command.

As to issue #2, there isn't a pasting equivalent, but I believe [again,
going strictly from memory] that once the object is pasted in you can apply
Text Wrapping - Behind Text (or the equivalent wording) to it- most likely
from the Format> Picture menu or a toolbar.

Perhaps someone with a better memory or someone still running 2001 will come
along to confirm/negate or offer other options.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Bob:

You are correct on both counts.

Text Boxes are all anchored to a Paragraph. You must paste the paragraph in
along with the text box. When you paste a paragraph into another document,
it takes on the properties of the destination document. That will move the
paragraph, and hence, the text box.

Yes, if you are dealing with floating objects (e.g. Text boxes) you can
bring up the Drawing toolbar. On there you will find the ability to set the
"Order" of objects to "Behind Text" or "Send to Back". (In other words, one
layer back, or bottom layer).

You can't alter the Z-order of Text, because it does not float. But you can
alter the layer of everything else in relation to the text layer.

Cheers


Boy, that's going back a way:) I'm going strictly on my [poor] memore here!

If the content is in text boxes I believe you're best bet is to copy &
paste... you might check in the Tools menu for a Merge & Compare feature or
that version most likely does have an Insert> File command.

As to issue #2, there isn't a pasting equivalent, but I believe [again,
going strictly from memory] that once the object is pasted in you can apply
Text Wrapping - Behind Text (or the equivalent wording) to it- most likely
from the Format> Picture menu or a toolbar.

Perhaps someone with a better memory or someone still running 2001 will come
along to confirm/negate or offer other options.

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Emvee

If the content is in text boxes I believe you're best bet is to copy &
paste... you might check in the Tools menu for a Merge & Compare feature or
that version most likely does have an Insert> File command.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

There IS a "Merge Documents" tool, but it doesn't appear to have an
effect. Once I selected -- through the dialog box that appears upon
selecting the "Merge" tool -- the document to merge into the one that
is open nothing happens. It appears that the open document (or perhaps
BOTH documents) may actually have to have some text on it (rather than
in text BOXES) in order for some effect to take place. If that is the
case then I'm toast, and will have to rethink this.

Basically what I had hoped to do here was to place a color highlight
behind a block of text on one side of the document only. For this task
it seemed that a text box was the best option. If that is wrong I'm
open to suggestions. (BTW I'm really not accustomd to working in Word,
per se. At least not for this type of document. InDesign and XPress
are my weapons of choice for this sort of thing.)

One more thing: when I try to open the "Text Box" documents in Normal
rather than Page mode it appears as a blank document, without any text
or text boxes. Is this normal, or have I forgotten sonmething?
 
E

Elliott Roper

If the content is in text boxes I believe you're best bet is to copy &
paste... you might check in the Tools menu for a Merge & Compare feature or
that version most likely does have an Insert> File command.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

There IS a "Merge Documents" tool, but it doesn't appear to have an
effect. Once I selected -- through the dialog box that appears upon
selecting the "Merge" tool -- the document to merge into the one that
is open nothing happens. It appears that the open document (or perhaps
BOTH documents) may actually have to have some text on it (rather than
in text BOXES) in order for some effect to take place. If that is the
case then I'm toast, and will have to rethink this.[/QUOTE]
Nah. It doesn't do anything like you want. It is difficult to find out
what it does, because if you type "merge document" into help you get a
lot of explanation of merge fields. It seems to be the ugly stepchild
of compare documents which is track changes in bulk.
So we won't go there!
Basically what I had hoped to do here was to place a color highlight
behind a block of text on one side of the document only. For this task
it seemed that a text box was the best option. If that is wrong I'm
open to suggestions. (BTW I'm really not accustomd to working in Word,
per se. At least not for this type of document. InDesign and XPress
are my weapons of choice for this sort of thing.)
And *much* better they are at that kind of work.

I'd avoid text boxes at all costs, unless I deliberately wanted an
ill-designed ransom note.

You might try a section break continuous, choose double column, and
then place a rectangle of appropriate colour nominally in the page
header, but placed in such a way as to be behind the column you are
highlighting. (format picture » wrapping style = Behind text.

It is *so* ugly compared to ID. Why bother with Word for work like this?

You are really trying to wrestle Word into being a page layout program.
Text boxes are Microsoft's first feeble steps in that direction. All
they do is cripple the whole concept of "word processor".

If you must use text boxes, you can hit format » Text Box » Colours and
Lines where you get an opportunity to set fill colour and transparency.
If you set the line's transparency to 100% you can make the ugly border
disappear while you are at it.

Hmm. It is not *that* evil. I still hate text boxes. The central
problem is they have this half and half property of being stuck to both
page and paragraph, where Word has no idea of page until you go to
print it. (Page view ameliorates this, but the whole idea is as
slippery as hell.)
One more thing: when I try to open the "Text Box" documents in Normal
rather than Page mode it appears as a blank document, without any text
or text boxes. Is this normal, or have I forgotten sonmething?

That might be because text boxes behave like anchored graphics, and you
don't get to see anchored graphics in normal view, only those in line
with text. Text boxes anchor themselves to paragraphs of normal text
(even empty ones, as you have seen) but they cannot be formatted to be
in line with text. They truly are an abortion.

Ahh. That was a fine rant. I'm teaching myself some more LaTeX and
emacs. ‹ and playing with InDesign CS3. Word is getting up my nose
lately.
 
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Emvee

It is *so* ugly compared to ID. Why bother with Word for work like this?

Thanks, Elliott.

My sentiments exactly. However, the [intended] recipient specifically
required a Word doc. What gets me is that it's easier to produce this
doc in pure HTML than it is in Word. What a pain!

Thanks for the advice. I'll see what I can do.
 
C

CyberTaz

This makes it a bit clearer as to what you are trying to do. See the inline
comments below:

Emvee said:
There IS a "Merge Documents" tool, but it doesn't appear to have an
effect. Once I selected -- through the dialog box that appears upon
selecting the "Merge" tool -- the document to merge into the one that
is open nothing happens. It appears that the open document (or perhaps
BOTH documents) may actually have to have some text on it (rather than
in text BOXES) in order for some effect to take place. If that is the
case then I'm toast, and will have to rethink this.

As Elliott stated, Mrege & Compare isn't what you need for this task... I
probably shouldn't have mentioned it at all, but stream of [un]conciousness
took over:)
Basically what I had hoped to do here was to place a color highlight
behind a block of text on one side of the document only. For this task
it seemed that a text box was the best option. If that is wrong I'm
open to suggestions. (BTW I'm really not accustomd to working in Word,
per se. At least not for this type of document. InDesign and XPress
are my weapons of choice for this sort of thing.)

Two approaches I would consider - in order of preference - if Word were my
only option:

1. Create a 1-column table in a new doc, make it whatever width you prefer &
apply Borders & Shading to it. Select & Copy the *content* of the Doc1 text
box & paste into the table. After the table create a Next Page Section Break
and do the same procedure for the content from the text box in Doc2.

2. In a new doc use Insert> File, specify Doc1. Create a Next Page Section
Break & repeat to Insert Doc2. [Assuming 2001 has the Insert> File command,
which I believe it does.]

Although I share Elliott's opinion of text boxes in general they really
aren't the pariah some claim :) Used sparingly in docs that won't undergo
further revision they usually behave, but using them to excess in lieu of
good layout software is the equivalent of suicide.
One more thing: when I try to open the "Text Box" documents in Normal
rather than Page mode it appears as a blank document, without any text
or text boxes. Is this normal, or have I forgotten sonmething?
I believe Elliott addressed this as well - graphic objects don't display in
Normal (or Outline) view unless they are set as InLine with Text. In that
case they're treated as a character in the text layer rather than as a
floating graphic.
 
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Emvee

This is what I have so far:

The suggestion to draw a table seemed to be the best option. The text
took a bit of mucking around with in order to align the copy in the
table with the other column of text to the right, but it looks pretty
good. It even shows up in "Print Preview", whereas the text boxes did
NOT. My only complaint now is that in "Normal" view the tables and
text columns appear on seperate pages. Am I stuck with this, or is
there a way to force them to appear together, as they do in "Print
Preview"?
 
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Elliott Roper

Emvee said:
This is what I have so far:

The suggestion to draw a table seemed to be the best option. The text
took a bit of mucking around with in order to align the copy in the
table with the other column of text to the right, but it looks pretty
good. It even shows up in "Print Preview", whereas the text boxes did
NOT. My only complaint now is that in "Normal" view the tables and
text columns appear on seperate pages. Am I stuck with this, or is
there a way to force them to appear together, as they do in "Print
Preview"?

Normal View is hopeless for displaying the final layout. It is not
intended to. It is supposed to be the fastest way of processing your
document before you start worrying about pagination and layout.

Page View will get much closer. It makes a fair attempt at splitting
pages at the same place as the print operation. It is not meant to be
perfect.

Print » Preview will give it pretty much exactly as long as you have
the correct printer selected in the print dialog. Pretty much means
that any eps illustrations will appear fuzzier than they will print.

While you are playing silly games and fighting Word every inch of the
way trying to kid it into being a page layout program, get used to the
idea that almost the only way to see which way it will print is to
print.

When you get over this project, grab a copy of "Bend Word to Your Will"
at
http://word.mvps.org/Mac/Bend/BendWordToYourWill.html

and pay particular attention to the "Minimum Maintenance Formatting"
stuff.

That will teach you how to fight Word and win.
;-)
 
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Emvee

"Bend Word to Your Will" is a lifesaver!

Thanks -- to all of you gents -- for the link (and the doc) as well as
your tips for solving my problem. it really is appreciated.

emvee
 
C

CyberTaz

It depends on your definition of "compatible" - that's a rather
all-encompassing term:) But if the PC files don't rely on macros or other
VBA-based customizations you should be in pretty good shape... Please
understand that there is no absolute "Yes" or "No", but 2008 should present
no more issues than using the same files in 2007 on a PC.

--
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

wrote in message I have a large amount of PC Office files, are they compatible with Office
2008 for Mac.?
 

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