Microsoft Word for Mac 2004

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hb

Hope someone can help. I was emailed a word document from a PC
running Microsoft Vista. I then used this document to type in extra
notes. After about 60 pages the document would just close after I got
to page 19. Since then every time I start a new word document the
wavy lines for spelling and grammar mistakes do not show, even though
they are ticked to show and the spelling and grammar check states that
it is complete. The Compatibility Report states that 'word cannot
identify the text language. When I have highlighted the text and go
into tools>language>English UK, click default and yes, then I get wavy
lines and the spelling and grammar check appears to work. Do I have a
corruption problem to what? Will I have to do a custom install of
Word for Mac to overcome the issues? I cannot find how to find the
default language of Word. I appear to have to ope a document first,
do some typing, highlight and then change the default to English UK.
I have never used templates and nobody I know uses them either.

hb
 
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CyberTaz

I'm not the ultimate authority on the subject but one thing I can
unequivocally tell you is that there is absolutely nothing to be gained by
reinstallation of the software - now or in most any other case:)

Also, Language is a *formatting* attribute of a document's content (just
like bold or italic), so any time you open a doc the language(s) is/are
already set within it. The only time your Default Language setting comes
into play is when you create a new doc - then the language for that doc is
established as whatever your Default is in Word unless you reformat all or
part to something different. The reason you have to "... do some typing,
highlight and then change" is that you're inserting content into a spot
which has already been formatted as something *other* than U.K. English.

It sounds as if the doc was possibly constructed using copy/paste from a
source that has caused the language to be unrecognizable - this happens
quite a bit if stuff is copied from web sites or other 'unknown' sources.

The other behaviors you're experiencing need to be addressed separately;

As to the spell Check: First be certain that the Spelling & Grammar
Preferences haven't had the check applied to "Hide Spelling Errors in This
Document". Then - regardless of what it's status was - click the button to
"Check Document". If the doc had previously had words marked to be Ignored
this will clear that flagging.

The other problem is the most serious - the doc folding up on you is a
pretty clear indication of corruption. There is something about that part of
the doc or the doc itself. Once you have everything else under control, copy
everything *except* the last ¶ (simplest technique is Command+A,
Shift+LeftArrow, Command+C) then paste to a new blank doc. See if the new
doc behaves better than the original.

If not, see this link or post back with what results/changes do occur:

http://word.mvps.org/Mac/DocumentCorruption.html

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
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John McGhie

Bob is being too modest: he IS an expert in this area, and so am I :)

* The signs from that document are quite clear: you have very definitely
got a corrupt document there. I will make some suggestions to fix it in a
moment.

* Bob is quite correct: re-installing Mac Office will only keep the
existing problem and give you another problem as well. Anything that goes
wrong with Mac Office hurts the files YOU create, not the files Microsoft or
Apple creates. So a re-installation never replaces them.

* If you think your installation of Office is corrupt, you must run the
Office Remover tool first, to remove the bad files, before attempting a
re-installation. I would be surprised if you ever have to do this in the
life of your computer. If you do, by all means come back here and we will
be happy to talk you through the steps involved :)

Now: The problem with that document is nothing to do with the length, or
the number of pages. The limits of a Word document are about 5,500 pages
and 2.2 gigabytes file size. If you are under those limits, size is not
your problem.

What has happened is that one of the internal code structures in the
document has become unreadable (and therefore, un-writeable, which is why
your attempts to fix it have thus far failed). These code structures are
all held within the paragraph marks.

A Paragraph Mark is not a "character", it actually does not even exist in
the document, what we see is simply a flagpole displayed by Word to show us
where each paragraph ends.

The actual formatting properties for each thing in a document are stored in
a complex table of numbers at the bottom end of the document. The Paragraph
Mark contains the pointer that shows which row in the table is in use for
that paragraph. The corruption normally happens in the row in the table at
the bottom of the document.

I've said all that so you understand what is happening as you read the rest
of this. In the case of your document, sadly it's likely to be an unusual
case. In your document, the corruption is potentially either at the bottom
of the document, or in the bad paragraph itself.

Here is how to proceed:

1) Open your document

2) Use File>Save As to save the document as a "Web Page". Warning: Do not
be tempted to save as "Web Page (Filtered)" or to use any code-cleaning
application such as DreamWeaver to remove parts of the HTML. If you do, you
will remove the information that will enable Word to read the thing back in
as a document.

3) Quit Word (this cleans out the memory).

4) Re-open the web page version of the document.

5) Use File>Save As to re-save the file back as a Document. Warning: Do
not save over the top of the previous document, you may not cure this at the
first attempt, you may need to go back to the original and start again :)

If we get lucky, the document will now be fixed!

If it is not (and you will know immediately, your problem will come back...)
then proceed as below:

A) Copy all of the text in the document EXCEPT the very last paragraph mark
in the document.

B) Close the original document.

C) Create a new blank document.

D) Paste into the new document and save with a new name. Warning: do NOT
overwrite the original!!

Sadly, if the first process did not work, the second one has little
likelihood of succeeding either: The first one causes Word to re-write the
bad table, the second causes Word to re-create the bad table. If the
problem is not in the table, neither will cure it and we have to get
serious...

* Locate your Normal template and re-name it as described here:
http://word.mvps.org/mac/MacWordNormal.html

Now repeat process A to D above.

From the indications you are getting, there is unfortunately a possibility
that you have the rarest of all cases, "one or more bad paragraphs". In
which case, you need to perform this last procedure: (Read the whole thing
first, there's a shortcut at the end...)

One) Open the original document.

Two) Save the top half as "Part 1" and the Bottom half as "Part 2".

Three) Try both documents. One will have the problem, one will not. The
one with the problem contains the bad paragraph!

Four) Save the BAD document in two halves, as described in steps one to
three.

There is a possibility that you have more than one bad paragraph. If not,
again, the problem will be in one half but not the other.

This process is known as a "Binary Search". Each time you save, you split
the bad half in two. The halves rapidly get smaller and smaller until
ultimately, the bad document contains only one paragraph. "Gotcha, you
little varmint!!!" That's your bad paragraph!

Re-open your original document and DELETE just that bad paragraph. Follow
steps A to D to create a new document.

Now, TYPE the bad paragraph into the correct position in the new document.
Warning: Do NOT be tempted to copy any part of it. If you copy it, you
will copy the problem in, and get to start all over again at the top of the
process!

Shortcut: What *I* would do is this:

AA) Open the original document

BB) Save the entire document as Plain Text Only. Plain text format will
not store advanced properties, so it automatically removes the corruption.

CC) Quit Word (to clean out the memory)

DD) Open the Text Only Version in Word

EE) Use styles to rapidly re-apply the formatting.

As a Technical Writer, my copy of Word is set up to use only styles for
formatting, and I have lots of macros to make applying those styles rapid.
I can completely reformat a document from plain text at 40 pages a minute or
thereabouts.

So the shortcut process is much faster for me. If you are using direct
formatting, without using styles, sadly you will have to do it the hard way:
reformatting will take you forever.

There you go: ONE of these methods will fix it for you. Promise!! :)

Cheers

Hope someone can help. I was emailed a word document from a PC
running Microsoft Vista. I then used this document to type in extra
notes. After about 60 pages the document would just close after I got
to page 19. Since then every time I start a new word document the
wavy lines for spelling and grammar mistakes do not show, even though
they are ticked to show and the spelling and grammar check states that
it is complete. The Compatibility Report states that 'word cannot
identify the text language. When I have highlighted the text and go
into tools>language>English UK, click default and yes, then I get wavy
lines and the spelling and grammar check appears to work. Do I have a
corruption problem to what? Will I have to do a custom install of
Word for Mac to overcome the issues? I cannot find how to find the
default language of Word. I appear to have to ope a document first,
do some typing, highlight and then change the default to English UK.
I have never used templates and nobody I know uses them either.

hb

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Sydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50
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hb

Hope someone can help.  I was emailed a word document from a PC
running Microsoft Vista.  I then used this document to type in extra
notes.  After about 60 pages the document would just close after I got
to page 19.  Since then every time I start a new word document the
wavy lines for spelling and grammar mistakes do not show, even though
they are ticked to show and the spelling and grammar check states that
it is complete.  The Compatibility Report states that 'word cannot
identify the text language.  When I have highlighted the text and go
into tools>language>English UK, click default and yes, then I get wavy
lines and the spelling and grammar check appears to work.  Do I have a
corruption problem to what?  Will I have to do a custom install of
Word for Mac to overcome the issues?  I cannot find how to find the
default language of Word.  I appear to have to ope a document first,
do some typing, highlight and then change the default to English UK.
I have never used templates and nobody I know uses them either.

hb

Hi Bob and John,

OK. Thank you very much for your very detailed responses. But I think
I am confused or maybe I am not reading your responses conrrectly.
Are you referring to the document that was emailed to me that I am to
open and try to do all sorts of things to? If so, I have deleted that
document as I managed to save the contents by opening it, highlighting
it, copying it and pasting it into Apple>iWork>Pages and then saving
it as a word document. Once I had all my notes back then I just
deleted the original document. However I still have the document in
my email account if that is any good. Have I saved the fault back
into word?
Since the problem with the document every time I open a brand new word
document the Compatibility Report states that 'word cannot identify
the text language and spell check doesn't work as a result or at least
it has checked all.
So do I open a new word document and try what you have suggested? I
just don't want to do something and make everything worse and I am not
very computer literate.
By the way I am working on a MacBook running OS10.5.

hb
 
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CyberTaz

OK - after re-reading your first post several times & combining that
information with the 2nd message it appears the scenario is somewhat
different than I had previously gathered:) Let's see if I have it
straight...

The doc that was emailed to you has since been deleted.

What you currently have is a Word doc that you created by copying the
content from the other file into a Pages doc, then saving in Word (.doc)
file format. If I'm correct so far, that's one of the best things you could
have done:) I suspect that the attachment was from a Windows user and
further that it was the cause of the problem. By passing it through Pages
you have effectively cleansed it, but the original apparently has caused
some additional corruption elsewhere...

As I understand it your current concern is with new Word docs, not with the
one you saved out of Pages. If what you describe is happening in all new
docs you create it suggests that the original file contained a virus or
other malicious devil which has corrupted your Normal template. You can find
out - and correct the issue very easily - by testing Normal. However, it
could be located in either of two places depending on which version of Word
you're using - and that you haven't disclosed. I'm guessing it's 2004, so...

Quit any Office apps first. In your User:Documents:Microsoft User Data
folder you'll find a file by the name of Normal. Either change its name or
drag it to another location (such as the Desktop). Launch Word (it will
create a new Normal when you do, so it may take a moment longer than usual
to launch) & see if the problem persists. If you need something for
reference or if you're using Word X or if you have any customizations you
want to retain see the following link.

http://word.mvps.org/mac/MacWordNormal.html

If I've misinterpreted or if this process doesn't rectify the situation post
back in detail as to what did happen. Assuming the new Normal fixes the
problem you can then delete the previous one & empty the Trash.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
H

hb

OK - after re-reading your first post several times & combining that
information with the 2nd message it appears the scenario is somewhat
different than I had previously gathered:) Let's see if I have it
straight...

The doc that was emailed to you has since been deleted.

What you currently have is a Word doc that you created by copying the
content from the other file into a Pages doc, then saving in Word (.doc)
file format. If I'm correct so far, that's one of the best things you could
have done:) I suspect that the attachment was from  a Windows user and
further that it was the cause of the problem. By passing it through Pages
you have effectively cleansed it, but the original apparently has caused
some additional corruption elsewhere...

As I understand it your current concern is with new Word docs, not with the
one you saved out of Pages. If what you describe is happening in all new
docs you create it suggests that the original file contained a virus or
other malicious devil which has corrupted your Normal template. You can find
out - and correct the issue very easily - by testing Normal. However, it
could be located in either of two places depending on which version of Word
you're using - and that you haven't disclosed. I'm guessing it's 2004, so....

Quit any Office apps first. In your User:Documents:Microsoft User Data
folder you'll find a file by the name of Normal. Either change its name or
drag it to another location (such as the Desktop). Launch Word (it will
create a new Normal when you do, so it may take a moment longer than usual
to launch) & see if the problem persists. If you need something for
reference or if you're using Word X or if you have any customizations you
want to retain see the following link.

http://word.mvps.org/mac/MacWordNormal.html

If I've misinterpreted or if this process doesn't rectify the situation post
back in detail as to what did happen. Assuming the new Normal fixes the
problem you can then delete the previous one & empty the Trash.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Bob,

Thank you for your response. I have tried what you suggested, but I'm
afraid that has not worked.

The first part of your response is fairly correct. All this started a
way back at the end of November 2007 and my memory was hazy, so I have
gone back and checked. I was sent an email, no attachment (I thought
it might have been an attachment). I copied the email into a Word
document and expanded it with my own notes and it was this document
that started shutting down and that I eventually rectified by copying
into Pages and saving into Word. You are correct in that it was an
email from a Windows user using Windows Vista.

You are also correct in that my concern now is with new Word docs.
While I know it can happen, it is unusual for a virus to attack a Mac,
but I think you are correct in saying that something has corrupted my
Normal template. I am using Microsoft Office:Mac 2004

So I did as follows: -

Mac HD>documents>Microsoft User Data. Dragged the Normal template to
the desktop. Launched Word. No new Normal template appeared in the
Microsoft User Data folder. Did some typing. No change. When I went
to close Word it asked me if I wanted to save changes to Normal
template to which I agreed and it then created a new Normal and closed
down. I then dragged the old Normal to the trash, which I did not
delete. Reopened Word and did some typing, but still did not
recognize text language. Only when I highlighted the text and went to
Tools>Language and highlighted English UK, clicked default and OK did
the spelling and grammar check work. Closed down Word and restarted
computer. Tried again, no change. Redid the whole thing again,
restarted and still no change. So I now have 2 old Normals in my
trash. I decided not to trash, just in case you might tell me I still
needed them. I also checked Preferences to check if the correct boxes
in Spelling and Grammar were ticked and they were.

I do still have the original email, but that is not of any use I'm
sure and it can only be accessed online.

So please advise.

hb
 
J

John McGhie

When you create a new, default Normal (as you have just done, twice) Word
sets the default language to the language that the Operating System is set
to at the time.

It seems possible that your OS may be set to a language Word does not
recognise.

If you now close all other documents, you can open the Normal template
directly.

You can then select the blank paragraph that is all that it contains, and
use Tools>Language to set the language as you wish.

When you do, you will get a dialog box asking if you wish to set this as the
Default. Say Yes.

Then SAVE the Normal template and immediately quit Word, to ensure your
change gets written back to disk.

After that, your language should be good to go.

You can delete the templates in your Trash. Our purpose was first to get
you an un-corrupted Normal template, which has a Language field that Word
can write to. Then we set your language as you want it.

When a template corrupts, it can turn parts of itself read-only, preventing
from saving the language setting you make.

Hoe this helps


Hi Bob,

Thank you for your response. I have tried what you suggested, but I'm
afraid that has not worked.

The first part of your response is fairly correct. All this started a
way back at the end of November 2007 and my memory was hazy, so I have
gone back and checked. I was sent an email, no attachment (I thought
it might have been an attachment). I copied the email into a Word
document and expanded it with my own notes and it was this document
that started shutting down and that I eventually rectified by copying
into Pages and saving into Word. You are correct in that it was an
email from a Windows user using Windows Vista.

You are also correct in that my concern now is with new Word docs.
While I know it can happen, it is unusual for a virus to attack a Mac,
but I think you are correct in saying that something has corrupted my
Normal template. I am using Microsoft Office:Mac 2004

So I did as follows: -

Mac HD>documents>Microsoft User Data. Dragged the Normal template to
the desktop. Launched Word. No new Normal template appeared in the
Microsoft User Data folder. Did some typing. No change. When I went
to close Word it asked me if I wanted to save changes to Normal
template to which I agreed and it then created a new Normal and closed
down. I then dragged the old Normal to the trash, which I did not
delete. Reopened Word and did some typing, but still did not
recognize text language. Only when I highlighted the text and went to
Tools>Language and highlighted English UK, clicked default and OK did
the spelling and grammar check work. Closed down Word and restarted
computer. Tried again, no change. Redid the whole thing again,
restarted and still no change. So I now have 2 old Normals in my
trash. I decided not to trash, just in case you might tell me I still
needed them. I also checked Preferences to check if the correct boxes
in Spelling and Grammar were ticked and they were.

I do still have the original email, but that is not of any use I'm
sure and it can only be accessed online.

So please advise.

hb

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John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
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hb

When you create a new, default Normal (as you have just done, twice) Word
sets the default language to the language that the Operating System is set
to at the time.

It seems possible that your OS may be set to a language Word does not
recognise.

If you now close all other documents, you can open the Normal template
directly.

You can then select the blank paragraph that is all that it contains, and
use Tools>Language to set the language as you wish.

When you do, you will get a dialog box asking if you wish to set this as the
Default.  Say Yes.

Then SAVE the Normal template and immediately quit Word, to ensure your
change gets written back to disk.

After that, your language should be good to go.

You can delete the templates in your Trash.  Our purpose was first to get
you an un-corrupted Normal template, which has a Language field that Word
can write to.  Then we set your language as you want it.

When a template corrupts, it can turn parts of itself read-only, preventing
from saving the language setting you make.

Hoe this helps












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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltdhttp://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

Hi John,

Thank you for your reply.

OK tried that and am afraid that did not work. The language was
already English UK default. Should I have done a 'saved as' or just a
'save'? I re-opened word after I had closed it down having done your
suggestion and tried typing but still did not recognize text language.
Just a thought - Should I have restarted the computer before I
reopened Word?

I really appreciate you help and suggestions so far. I would never
have thought of any of this.

hb
 
J

John McGhie

OK, now we're going to have to get technical with it :)

First I need to see exactly what is wrong.

Please do the following:

1) Create a new blank document

2) Type "One word" in it.

3) Save it, and email it to me.

I need to see exactly what is wrong :) Warning: Use the email address you
are using here, and do not add any pictures to your email, otherwise you
will not make it through my spam filter.

Cheers


Hi John,

Thank you for your reply.

OK tried that and am afraid that did not work. The language was
already English UK default. Should I have done a 'saved as' or just a
'save'? I re-opened word after I had closed it down having done your
suggestion and tried typing but still did not recognize text language.
Just a thought - Should I have restarted the computer before I
reopened Word?

I really appreciate you help and suggestions so far. I would never
have thought of any of this.

hb

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Don't wait for your answer, click here: http://www.word.mvps.org/

Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 
H

hb

OK,  now we're going to have to get technical with it :)

First I need to see exactly what is wrong.

Please do the following:

1)  Create a new blank document

2)  Type "One word" in it.

3)  Save it, and email it to me.

I need to see exactly what is wrong :)  Warning:  Use the email address you
are using here, and do not add any pictures to your email, otherwise you
will not make it through my spam filter.

Cheers








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John

Many thanks for your efforts so far.

I have tried sending the email to you with the attachment, but for
some reason it's not working. Just let me get this straight I am to
use the email address that I use for this group and then am I to send
it to your email address under your 'view profile' or reply to
author. If the second how do I attach the document?

hb
 
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hb

John,

Ignore last. I appeared to have copied everything written
previously. My reply is as below: -

Many thanks for your efforts so far.
I have tried sending the email to you with the attachment, but for
some reason it's not working. Just let me get this straight I am to
use the email address that I use for this group and then am I to send
it to your email address under your 'view profile' or reply to
author. If the second how do I attach the document?

hb
 
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Clive Huggan

John,

Ignore last. I appeared to have copied everything written
previously. My reply is as below: -

Many thanks for your efforts so far.
I have tried sending the email to you with the attachment, but for
some reason it's not working. Just let me get this straight I am to
use the email address that I use for this group and then am I to send
it to your email address under your 'view profile' or reply to
author. If the second how do I attach the document?

hb

Forget Google groups. Just e-mail John: (e-mail address removed)

;-)

Clive Huggan
============
 
J

John McGhie

As Clive says: Forget Google Groups (or any other web-based email....)

Spam filters automatically delete anything from web-based emails before I
even see it.

Just send an email to "(e-mail address removed)" and add your attachment.

Cheers

John,

Ignore last. I appeared to have copied everything written
previously. My reply is as below: -

Many thanks for your efforts so far.
I have tried sending the email to you with the attachment, but for
some reason it's not working. Just let me get this straight I am to
use the email address that I use for this group and then am I to send
it to your email address under your 'view profile' or reply to
author. If the second how do I attach the document?

hb

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Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
http://jgmcghie.fastmail.com.au/
Nhulunbuy, Northern Territory, Australia
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]
 

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