Monkey wrench in Word 2008?

[etcstgo]

This is not easy to describe, so bear with me.

When editing text, I often forward-select and delete entire strings of
text in order to generate a new sentence.

Say I'm starting with (note the two paragraph marks):

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet^p
^p
Fusce pede purus, consequat id.

With the cursor in "amet", I then forward-select and delete (again,
note the paragraph marks) "^p^pFusce pede purus" in order to generate
this new sentence:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consequat id.

Here's the problem: under Word 2004, this operation correctly deletes
both paragraph marks and yields the above sentence in one line, as
expected. Under Word 2008, however, the exact same operation will
randomly fail to delete a paragraph mark, resulting in a broken
sentence, like so:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet^p
, consequat id.

Which is no good and requires extra work to fix. Please try this and
tell me it's just my setup and not another monkey wrench into my work.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

By forward select, you mean hold down shift while moving the arrow?

Yes, I see this too (SP1 not installed). The method of selection does
not matter, but it only happens when the delete includes a paragraph
mark, no problem deleting multiple lines within the same paragraph.

Please report to MacBU via Help | Send Feedback--but add version numbers.

 

[etcstgo]

By forward select, you mean hold down shift while moving the arrow?

My preferred method is Shift-Command-Right Arrow, but as you correctly
note, the method doesn't matter.

Yes, I see this too (SP1 not installed). The method of selection does
not matter, but it only happens when the delete includes a paragraph
mark, no problem deleting multiple lines within the same paragraph.

Correct, which is why my example draws attention to the paragraph
marks. I first noticed this issue before I applied the 12.1.0 update.
It continues unchanged.

Please report to MacBU via Help | Send Feedback--but add version numbers.

Not again... :-( They probably hate my guts by now.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Not again... :-( They probably hate my guts by now.

Nah. Consider that they probably get a lot of bile and comments like "I
can't believe you REMOVED the ability to cut text in Word 2008!"
[because the scissor icon is not on the toolbar], plus hysteria about
"[whatever missing feature or possible bug] is an MS conspiracy to kill
MacOffice!" and I'm sure they love a relatively dispassionate, detailed,
specific, *reproducible* bug report.

Daiya

 

[CyberTaz]

I agree that this is a nuisance - if it's selected it ought to be deleted,
so don't hesitate to submit it as Daiya suggested. I don't have a fix, but
this workaround may be helpful...

Select one character more than you need to delete, then type that character
rather than using the delete key. I.E., in your example:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet^p
^p
Fusce pede purus, consequat id.

Select from "amet" up to & including the comma, then type a comma rather
than pressing delete. No additional keystrokes & it seems to work fine here
if an actual character is at the end of the string. A Space at the end of
the string is a bit more of a challenge. Select starting with the space
preceding the unwanted content & including the space following it, then
press Space to make the edit.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones]

Maybe its all that Greek. ;-) I have hard enough time with the good old
US English Language. ;-)

I agree that this is a nuisance - if it's selected it ought to be deleted,
so don't hesitate to submit it as Daiya suggested. I don't have a fix, but
this workaround may be helpful...

Select one character more than you need to delete, then type that character
rather than using the delete key. I.E., in your example:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet^p
^p
Fusce pede purus, consequat id.

Select from "amet" up to & including the comma, then type a comma rather
than pressing delete. No additional keystrokes & it seems to work fine here
if an actual character is at the end of the string. A Space at the end of
the string is a bit more of a challenge. Select starting with the space
preceding the unwanted content & including the space following it, then
press Space to make the edit.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

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[etcstgo]

Maybe its all that Greek. ;-) I have hard enough time with the good old
US English Language. ;-)

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

 

[Clive Huggan]

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

Commonly this "meaningless" text has been known as "greeking", hence "greek"
(but not "Greek").

There are some learned people down in [or way up in, in my case]
Martinsville, Virginia ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the Americas and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[John McGhie]

Oh Frabjous Day, O Bliss, O Joy....

At LAST I have caught the venerable Huggan in a Terminological Inexactitude


"Fake Latin" is known in the printing industry as either "Dummy Text" or
"Placeholder Text".

"Greeking" is the process of producing a dummy display that "resembles" text
when the font has been reduced to a size that is not readable on a computer
display. The system does not attempt to render the characters: instead it
shows a line of garbled shapes the correct height and length, but it's not
text.

{Ahhhh.... That felt so good....} Don't any of you dare contradict me, I
deserve my moment of bliss

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

Commonly this "meaningless" text has been known as "greeking", hence "greek"
(but not "Greek").

There are some learned people down in [or way up in, in my case]
Martinsville, Virginia ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the Americas and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[CyberTaz]

No contradiction - I must, however, express my surprise at the extended
duration required for the crouching tiger to pounce.The question now is....

Did the prey intentionally bait the predator in order to draw him out?

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Oh Frabjous Day, O Bliss, O Joy....

At LAST I have caught the venerable Huggan in a Terminological Inexactitude


"Fake Latin" is known in the printing industry as either "Dummy Text" or
"Placeholder Text".

"Greeking" is the process of producing a dummy display that "resembles" text
when the font has been reduced to a size that is not readable on a computer
display. The system does not attempt to render the characters: instead it
shows a line of garbled shapes the correct height and length, but it's not
text.

{Ahhhh.... That felt so good....} Don't any of you dare contradict me, I
deserve my moment of bliss

Maybe its all that Greek. ;-) I have hard enough time with the good old
US English Language. ;-)

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

Commonly this "meaningless" text has been known as "greeking", hence "greek"
(but not "Greek").

There are some learned people down in [or way up in, in my case]
Martinsville, Virginia ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the Americas and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
====================================================

 

[Phillip Jones]

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

Still looked like Greek to me, fake or not

Why use Fake Latin, when you could use the real thing or it variant
Pig-Latin

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[Elliott Roper]

No contradiction - I must, however, express my surprise at the extended
duration required for the crouching tiger to pounce.The question now is....

Did the prey intentionally bait the predator in order to draw him out?

"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet,
consectetur, adipisci velit..."
"There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to
have it, simply because it is pain..."

Is that Cicero describing McGhie well in advance of his birth?
check out
http://www.lipsum.com/
....for more detail

 

[John McGhie]

Hi Bob:

Well, I plead dereliction of duty...

Actually, I was busy at work, so I thought I would let you guys dismiss that
silly little troll whose comprehension obviously does not extend beyond
double-clicking.

Now the grownups are back, I figured it would be useful to come back

Cheers

No contradiction - I must, however, express my surprise at the extended
duration required for the crouching tiger to pounce.The question now is....

Did the prey intentionally bait the predator in order to draw him out?

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Oh Frabjous Day, O Bliss, O Joy....

At LAST I have caught the venerable Huggan in a Terminological Inexactitude


"Fake Latin" is known in the printing industry as either "Dummy Text" or
"Placeholder Text".

"Greeking" is the process of producing a dummy display that "resembles" text
when the font has been reduced to a size that is not readable on a computer
display. The system does not attempt to render the characters: instead it
shows a line of garbled shapes the correct height and length, but it's not
text.

{Ahhhh.... That felt so good....} Don't any of you dare contradict me, I
deserve my moment of bliss

On 23/5/08 4:27 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),

Maybe its all that Greek. ;-) I have hard enough time with the good old
US English Language. ;-)

May be all Greek to you, but it's fake Latin, actually. ;-)

Commonly this "meaningless" text has been known as "greeking", hence "greek"
(but not "Greek").

There are some learned people down in [or way up in, in my case]
Martinsville, Virginia ... ;-)

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is 5-11 hours different from the Americas and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[Elliott Roper]

{Chortle}, {Giggle}, {Gloat}

I am in Darwin now, but I have spies everywhere

You want an award for that?

And I bow to m'lern'd Friend Elliott, who obviously payed more attention in
Latin Class than I did. However, I am not sure that it is clinically
accurate to describe it as "fake" Latin. I believe it's gibberish, but it's
"real" Latin. In other words, each sentence is good Latin, but the entire
thing does not make sense because its random bits taken from one of Cicero's
speeches.

You maligned your Clive. 'twas I that researched on Wikipedia

mea culpa lorem ipsum....