More Display Problems

D

Don

I've been exchanging posts with a few people on this NG and have been
given extremely good advice and help. I'm still stuck on something and I
seem to remember someone giving me an answer but I'm not sure. So forgive
me as I ask this again.
When viewing my website with Mozilla things are very much different.
Can you help me understand why this happens and what I must do to have the
pages display the same way using any browser?
This is not only occurring on pages that are not created correctly but I
just recently re-did the homepage using tables as directed and it display
very oddly in Mozilla.
What do I need to do?
Thanks,
Don..........
BTW, www.gourdgeouscreations.com
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

If you are going to use tables, then do not use the style button, etc. use table/cell properties to
align you content

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M

Murray

Hmm - this looks dangerous -

<a href="kay'smessage.htm">

Never use punctuation (or spaces) in file/pathnames for web pages.

One excellent source of rendering issues between IE and FF/Mozilla is
invalid code. It appears that you have some -

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://www.gourdgeouscreations.com

Fixing those would be a good place to start on bringing the two pages into
concordance on both browsers. Definitely also add a doctype to the page so
that it is not rendered in quirks mode - which is different on those two
browsers.

(you can ignore the alt attribute warnings for now)
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

Paste the following into Notepad, then into a blank page in FP HTML/Code View:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>New Page 1</title>
</head>

<body bgcolor="#145301" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0">
<div align="center">
<center>
<table border="0" cellpadding="5">
<tr>
<td valign="middle" align="center"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/Logo1.jpg" width="420"
height="274"></td>
<td valign="middle" align="center"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
width="50">
<tr>
<td><a href="kay'smessage.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_kaysmessage.jpg"
width="117" height="28"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="gourdsmainpage.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_gourds.jpg" width="117"
height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="otherartwork.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_otherartwork.jpg"
width="113" height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="family.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_family.jpg" width="117"
height="26"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="friends.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_friends.jpg" width="117"
height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="favoritesites.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_favoritesites.jpg"
width="117" height="26"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="mailto:[email protected]"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_email.jpg"
width="117" height="27"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="guestbook.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_guestbook.jpg" width="117"
height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
</table></td>
</tr>
</table>
</center>
</div>
</body>
</html>

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
B

Bob

Don,

You might want to look at this >>
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/CR061832701033.aspx
FREE!!

bob
| I've been exchanging posts with a few people on this NG and have been
| given extremely good advice and help. I'm still stuck on something and I
| seem to remember someone giving me an answer but I'm not sure. So forgive
| me as I ask this again.
| When viewing my website with Mozilla things are very much different.
| Can you help me understand why this happens and what I must do to have the
| pages display the same way using any browser?
| This is not only occurring on pages that are not created correctly but
I
| just recently re-did the homepage using tables as directed and it display
| very oddly in Mozilla.
| What do I need to do?
| Thanks,
| Don..........
| BTW, www.gourdgeouscreations.com
|
|
 
D

Don

I understand, I've been told about that before, I just haven't gotten
around to change that page and name yet. However, this page loads fine in
Mozilla. The home page or first page is the one that I was referring to.
The main logo is pushed so far to the right that none of the buttons are
visible. This page however was redone recently and done using tables.

I may have misunderstood the jest of your reply. Do you mean because
the page "Kay's Message" is titled using an apostrophe that it makes the
home page, or first page display improperly?
That would make things easy for me on my end.

There is also a problem with the last page of the "Let's Be Friends"
path. The page that has the music titles and music on it should have the
"swap" feature incorporated. So far in all the browsers using IE it works
as it was intended to (hover on song title, see credits of who played on
song, click on credits, song plays). However this is another page that
doesn't work correctly using Mozilla (hover on song title, may or may not
see credits of who played on song, click on credits, if displayed, may or
may not play song)
..
Is this all related to using incorrect formatting, etc?
Thanks for your help and advice,
Don.............
 
D

Don

Thanks Bob,
I've looked at the first lesson and have bookmarked the page for future
lessons.
Thanks again for your help,
Don.........
 
D

Don

Thomas,
Thanks for replying.
I'm not sure if I've used the style button. I know that if I did use it
then it was unintentional. I have to look and see where this style button
is and determine if I've used it and if so how I turn it off.
Thanks for helping,
Don............
 
D

Don

This is the kind of stuff I don't understand and is scary to me. Scary,
that if I do it I'll mess up what I've already done (not that it's such a
great thing but at least it's out there on the web). I'm going to keep this
suggestion and as I get more confident I will attempt your suggestion.
Thanks again,
Don..............
Thomas A. Rowe said:
Paste the following into Notepad, then into a blank page in FP HTML/Code View:

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<title>New Page 1</title>
</head>

<body bgcolor="#145301" topmargin="0" leftmargin="0">
<div align="center">
<center>
<table border="0" cellpadding="5">
<tr>
<td valign="middle" align="center"><img border="0"
Click to expand...
src="pg1.htg/Logo1.jpg" width="420"
height="274"></td>
<td valign="middle" align="center"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
width="50">
<tr>
<td><a href="kay'smessage.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_kaysmessage.jpg"
width="117" height="28"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="gourdsmainpage.htm"><img border="0"
Click to expand...
src="pg1.htg/button_gourds.jpg" width="117"
height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="otherartwork.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_otherartwork.jpg"
width="113" height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="family.htm"><img border="0"
Click to expand...
src="pg1.htg/button_family.jpg" width="117"
height="26"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="friends.htm"><img border="0"
Click to expand...
src="pg1.htg/button_friends.jpg" width="117"
height="25"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="favoritesites.htm"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_favoritesites.jpg"
width="117" height="26"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="mailto:[email protected]"><img border="0" src="pg1.htg/button_email.jpg"
width="117" height="27"></a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><a href="guestbook.htm"><img border="0"
Click to expand...
src="pg1.htg/button_guestbook.jpg" width="117"
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

The apostrophe may stop so browser from being able to see the page if you have any scripts on the
page.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

You can create new page, this will not mess up your current page, but will display your page (I
think the way you want) correctly in all browsers.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
==============================================
If you feel your current issue is a results of installing
a Service Pack or security update, please contact
Microsoft Product Support Services:
http://support.microsoft.com
If the problem can be shown to have been caused by a
security update, then there is usually no charge for the call.
==============================================
 
M

Murray

I may have misunderstood the jest of your reply. Do you mean because
the page "Kay's Message" is titled using an apostrophe that it makes the
home page, or first page display improperly?
That would make things easy for me on my end.
Click to expand...

No. I mean that because you are using a punctuation element in a filename
the server or the client browser may be confused about where the name begins
and ends, and wind up looking for the wrong file, generating a file not
found error message. The rule of thumb is this - don't use punctuation or
spaces in file/pathnames (well, you can use hyphens and underscores, but
that's it).
Is this all related to using incorrect formatting, etc?
Thanks for your help and advice,
Click to expand...

It could be, however, the errors cited in my link only refer to that one
page.

Without a doubt, do NOT spend time troubleshooting issues on a page until
the code is valid. Why? Because with valid code, some/many/all of the
issues could disappear.
 
D

Don

Okay I copied it to notepad and then copied it to a blank page (html tab).
A couple of questions.
This blank page must be part of my website correct?(probably a stupid
question but I need to ask)
There is already some code on this page, do I leave it in or paste over it?
Can I save the page as "codepage"?
Then do I just publish the website again?
Sorry for the questions but I want to get it right.
Thanks again for your help,
Don............
 
F

fido

Okay I copied it to notepad and then copied it to a blank page (html tab).
A couple of questions.
This blank page must be part of my website correct?(probably a stupid
question but I need to ask)
There is already some code on this page, do I leave it in or paste over it?
Can I save the page as "codepage"?
Then do I just publish the website again?
Sorry for the questions but I want to get it right.
Thanks again for your help,
Click to expand...

One or two red herrings are creeping in. These are certainly valid but
your first priority must be to get the page displaying correctly in
all browsers.

Did you build a page using the HTML that Thomas supplied to you?

Do you have Firefox installed on your own machine? Or Opera?
Interestingly, Opera displays your page but not in the same way as
MSIE and Firefox. :)

The code supplied by Thomas was complete. Copy and paste into notepad
everything from <html> to </html>. Then paste it into a new page in
HTML view. Remove EVERYTHING from that new page before you paste in
the new code. (As far as I can tell, nobody has yet replied to that
question.)

Now save the page as anythingyoulike.htm.

If you have other browsers available on your computer you can now view
the two versions of your home page locally before you upload anything.

When you're satisfied, save your old version of the page as
oldpage.htm or whatever. Now save your new version as index.htm and
when FrontPage asks if you are really sure, tell it you have never
been more sure of anything in your life.

Now upload, or publish, or whatever. You won't break anything,
although if you did, you could always retrace your steps to where you
began.

fido
 
D

Don

Okay, I've done it. I don't have two browsers on my home computer so when
I get to work this morning I'll check it out with Mozilla. I saved it as
"index.htm" as you suggested. However I was never asked if I was sure of
the changes.
Everything seems to work ok on IE, but then again it always did. I'll let
you all know later today.
I've got some questions about this.
Thanks again,
Don............
 
F

fido

Okay, I've done it. I don't have two browsers on my home computer so when
I get to work this morning I'll check it out with Mozilla. I saved it as
"index.htm" as you suggested. However I was never asked if I was sure of
the changes.
Everything seems to work ok on IE, but then again it always did. I'll let
you all know later today.
I've got some questions about this.
Click to expand...

I see! In Firefox and Opera I am still seeing the same distorted page
as before. If I type in the URL as
http://www.gourdgeouscreations.com/index.htm however, the page
displays correctly. Therefore, it follows that your home page is NOT
index.htm. This would also explain why FP did not challenge you when
you saved your new version of the page as index.htm: there was no file
of that name in the web. :)

I typed in a new URL and established that, In fact, your home page is
.../index.html, not ../index.htm.

So save your new version as index.html, whereupon FP will ask you if
you really mean it, then upload it. It will work fine in Firefox and
Opera, by the way, I just checked. :)

fido
 
D

Don

I have uploaded it using the new page and as "html". This confused me. I
was told that the first page, opening/home page must have the file extension
"html". When you said to save it as "htm" I wasn't sure. When I got to
work and viewed it I realized that I probably should have saved it and
replaced the original "html" page. In any event it should be as you guys
suggested. Thanks.

So let me ask. Can the home page be "htm"? Where does the "html" fit in?
Then again maybe I don't really need to know.
Thanks again and I'm anxious to see the site tomorrow at work using Mozilla.

I also printed both "html" sheets and I'm trying to compare them. Most of
it makes very little sense to me. Hopefully someday I'll understand it.
Once again thanks,
Don............
 

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