more lines per page in MS Word 2004 Mac

S

spike

Hello,
I've previously posted this request.

Original Question:

I can't figure out how to get Word to allow for more than about 22
lines of text. With so few lines it makes it look as thought this
189,000 word manuscript is some giant book. It's not. Is there a
way
to iincrease the number of lines permitted on every page?

A response:

To answer your second question I need to make a statement that sounds
very 
peculiar: "Word has no such concept as "Pages" or "Lines" in
its 
documents."
Word simply starts at the top of the file and piles characters one
after the 
other until it hits the edge of the paper. It then starts
piling characters 
on the next line. And so on until the text spills
off the end of the paper.
Then it issues a New Sheet command to the printer, and starts piling
up 
characters again.
So you can have as many lines as you like on a "page". But first you
need 
to use File>Page Setup to tell Word which printer you are going
to use and 
how big the bits of paper are that are loaded in the
printer. (Get this 
right, or you'll get embarrassment... If you don't
KNOW what's in the 
printer, save yourself the mortal embarrassmentof
printing a 1,000 pages of 
rubbish by going to LOOK...)
Then you need to use Format>Document to tell Word how big to make the
margins around the print image. Few printers will print closer than 1
cm 
from the edge of the sheet (half an inch in the old money) and
most sheets 
of paper look weird if you use a margin less than 2.5 cm
(one inch to the 
grey of beard...)
Now, use Format>Style>Font... To tell Word how big to make the
characters in 
each of the Heading and body text paragraphs.
Then use Format>Style>Paragraph... To tell Word how high to make each
line 
(hint: Choose "Single" and Word will work it out for you...)
You may also specify space above and below each paragraph if you
wish.
Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the 
styles you just customised.
Word will then place "as many lines as will fit" on each page
automatically 
for you.
I have told you to do this using styles because you're talking about
a 
"Book". If you have less than 20-odd pages, you could do this with
direct 
formatting by using Format>Font and Format Paragraph instead.
But I 
wouldn't: you would have to fiddle with each paragraph, which
takes ages. 
By setting the parameters in the styles you are using,
you adjust the whole 
document at once.
------------------------------
-----------------------------
I followed the above mentioned instructions. Easy to follow until I
got to the following line:

Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the 
styles you just customised.

I'm not clear on how to follow the second step in the above mentioned
instruction set.

I've not been able to get Word 2004 Mac to display more than 22
lines. I've converted it to Adobe InDesign CS2 and then to PDF, but
this messes up the toc and index. the simple solution to my original
issue is simply FIND A WAY TO GET WORD 2004 MAC TO RECORD MORE THAN 22
LINES (I NEED 44 LINES PER PAGE SO AS TO EMULATE THE FINAL PRODUCT. I
HOPE IT CAN BE DONE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THE TOC AND IDNEX DOESN'T
GET MESSED UP.
THANKS FOR ANY HELP!
CURT
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Actually, 189,000 words *is* pretty big. But that's irrelevant.

Basically, it sounds like you want to go from Double-Spaced text to
Single Spaced text. MAKE A COPY of the doc to experiment on. What
happens if you Select All and use Format | Paragraph | Line Spacing:
Single ? Does that get you what you want?

Caveats--there is absolutely no way to tell Word "I want 44 lines per
page". Word doesn't work that way. Getting Word to emulate the page
breaks devised in some other program is not going to be easy. It might
help if you explained what you mean by "emulate the final product" and
"without breaking the TOC and index". What's the overall picture of
what you are trying to do, and why?
 
C

CyberTaz

The defaults in Word *do* produce 44 lines per page given the following:

Paper size: Letter (8.5"x11")
Top & Bottom margin: 1" (each)
Left & Right margin: 1.25" each
Font Size: 12 pt.
Line spacing: Single
Space Before/After Paragraph: 0"
No graphic content to influence text flow or spacing

Any variation to any of these settings will cause deviation in the number of
lines per page.

I think the "missing links" in the instruction you're attempting to follow
is that you need to Select All (Cmd+A) *then* use Edit>Clear>Formatting to
remove the formatting that deviates from Normal Style. Even that may not
give you what you want if you've modified that style. The instruction then
goes on to suggest that you reformat the doc based on styles you've
created/customized, but doesn't make it clear that this has to be done
systematically throughout the doc - there is no "one-click-fixes-all" to get
the reformatting completed. IOW, you may be able to remove the existing
formatting in one fell swoop, but the reformatting has to be done one area
at a time. Even this may not fully resolve the issue depending on what else
may have been done in the doc.

Keep in mind, for example, that every press of the return (Enter) key
denotes the end of one "line" & the start of the next, so if you've used it
to get spacing between paras each *empty* para counts as a line. These
"empties" are *not* formatting attributes, so the Clear Formatting won't
remove them. If that's a part of the problem you'll need to use Find &
Replace or other methods to get 'em out.
--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hello,
I've previously posted this request.

Original Question:

I can't figure out how to get Word to allow for more than about 22
lines of text. With so few lines it makes it look as thought this
189,000 word manuscript is some giant book. It's not. Is there a
way
to iincrease the number of lines permitted on every page?

A response:

To answer your second question I need to make a statement that sounds
very ?peculiar: "Word has no such concept as "Pages" or "Lines" in
its ?documents."
Word simply starts at the top of the file and piles characters one
after the ?other until it hits the edge of the paper. It then starts
piling characters ?on the next line. And so on until the text spills
off the end of the paper.
Then it issues a New Sheet command to the printer, and starts piling
up ?characters again.
So you can have as many lines as you like on a "page". But first you
need ?to use File>Page Setup to tell Word which printer you are going
to use and ?how big the bits of paper are that are loaded in the
printer. (Get this ?right, or you'll get embarrassment... If you don't
KNOW what's in the ?printer, save yourself the mortal embarrassment of
printing a 1,000 pages of ?rubbish by going to LOOK...)
Then you need to use Format>Document to tell Word how big to make the
margins around the print image. Few printers will print closer than 1
cm ?from the edge of the sheet (half an inch in the old money) and
most sheets ?of paper look weird if you use a margin less than 2.5 cm
(one inch to the ?grey of beard...)
Now, use Format>Style>Font... To tell Word how big to make the
characters in ?each of the Heading and body text paragraphs.
Then use Format>Style>Paragraph... To tell Word how high to make each
line ?(hint: Choose "Single" and Word will work it out for you...)
You may also specify space above and below each paragraph if you
wish.
Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the ?styles you just customised.
Word will then place "as many lines as will fit" on each page
automatically ?for you.
I have told you to do this using styles because you're talking about
a ?"Book". If you have less than 20-odd pages, you could do this with
direct ?formatting by using Format>Font and Format Paragraph instead.
But I ?wouldn't: you would have to fiddle with each paragraph, which
takes ages. ?By setting the parameters in the styles you are using,
you adjust the whole ?document at once.
------------------------------
-----------------------------
I followed the above mentioned instructions. Easy to follow until I
got to the following line:

Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the ?styles you just customised.

I'm not clear on how to follow the second step in the above mentioned
instruction set.

I've not been able to get Word 2004 Mac to display more than 22
lines. I've converted it to Adobe InDesign CS2 and then to PDF, but
this messes up the toc and index. the simple solution to my original
issue is simply FIND A WAY TO GET WORD 2004 MAC TO RECORD MORE THAN 22
LINES (I NEED 44 LINES PER PAGE SO AS TO EMULATE THE FINAL PRODUCT. I
HOPE IT CAN BE DONE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THE TOC AND IDNEX DOESN'T
GET MESSED UP.
THANKS FOR ANY HELP!
CURT
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

CyberTaz said:
The defaults in Word *do* produce 44 lines per page given the following:

Paper size: Letter (8.5"x11")
Top & Bottom margin: 1" (each)
Left & Right margin: 1.25" each
Font Size: 12 pt.
Line spacing: Single
Space Before/After Paragraph: 0"
No graphic content to influence text flow or spacing

Any variation to any of these settings will cause deviation in the number of
lines per page.
no footnotes, no widow/orphan settings that kick in to influence page
breaks....

by the way, I think I'm getting 46 lines per page with those settings in
Calisto and Times New Roman, 48 lines per page in Garamond....which just
reinforces the rest of CyberTaz's point...

Daiya
 
C

CyberTaz

Quite true - that's because the default leading for many fonts deviates from
the "rule" of 120% of the font size. However if you do a page of ¶s in 12
point and set the line spacing to 14.4 the number of lines per page will
remain constant regardless of which font you change to.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

CyberTaz said:
Quite true - that's because the default leading for many fonts deviates from
the "rule" of 120% of the font size. However if you do a page of ¶s in 12
point and set the line spacing to 14.4 the number of lines per page will
remain constant regardless of which font you change to.

good to know. Thanks, Bob.
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

OK, I already answered you before. Let me approach this from a different
angle:

* How big is your page?

* How big is your text?

The answer to your question will be obvious once you know the answer to
those two questions. (Note: We need the answer to what they "are now", not
what they "should be". You need to look in the document :)

Word will always place the maximum amount of text that will fit on a page.
It can't do anything else. Your problem, then, is EITHER that you have set
the page size too small, OR you have set the text size too large.

If you send me the answers to those two questions, I will be able to know
exactly what is causing your problem and what to do about it.

One answer may be: "Choose a larger paper size for your document". You
would do that in File>Page Setup...

Another answer may be "Reduce the size of your page margins." You would do
that in Format>Document...

Another answer may be "Reduce your font size". You would do that in
Format>Style>Modify>Font...

Another answer may be "Reduce your line height". You would do that in
Format>Style>Modify>Paragraph...

If you have built the TOC and Index as described in the Help, they will not
get messed up. If you have used a different procedure, they will become
totally useless and you will need to re-create them.

Cheers

Hello,
I've previously posted this request.

Original Question:

I can't figure out how to get Word to allow for more than about 22
lines of text. With so few lines it makes it look as thought this
189,000 word manuscript is some giant book. It's not. Is there a
way
to iincrease the number of lines permitted on every page?

A response:

To answer your second question I need to make a statement that sounds
very ?peculiar: "Word has no such concept as "Pages" or "Lines" in
its ?documents."
Word simply starts at the top of the file and piles characters one
after the ?other until it hits the edge of the paper. It then starts
piling characters ?on the next line. And so on until the text spills
off the end of the paper.
Then it issues a New Sheet command to the printer, and starts piling
up ?characters again.
So you can have as many lines as you like on a "page". But first you
need ?to use File>Page Setup to tell Word which printer you are going
to use and ?how big the bits of paper are that are loaded in the
printer. (Get this ?right, or you'll get embarrassment... If you don't
KNOW what's in the ?printer, save yourself the mortal embarrassment of
printing a 1,000 pages of ?rubbish by going to LOOK...)
Then you need to use Format>Document to tell Word how big to make the
margins around the print image. Few printers will print closer than 1
cm ?from the edge of the sheet (half an inch in the old money) and
most sheets ?of paper look weird if you use a margin less than 2.5 cm
(one inch to the ?grey of beard...)
Now, use Format>Style>Font... To tell Word how big to make the
characters in ?each of the Heading and body text paragraphs.
Then use Format>Style>Paragraph... To tell Word how high to make each
line ?(hint: Choose "Single" and Word will work it out for you...)
You may also specify space above and below each paragraph if you
wish.
Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the ?styles you just customised.
Word will then place "as many lines as will fit" on each page
automatically ?for you.
I have told you to do this using styles because you're talking about
a ?"Book". If you have less than 20-odd pages, you could do this with
direct ?formatting by using Format>Font and Format Paragraph instead.
But I ?wouldn't: you would have to fiddle with each paragraph, which
takes ages. ?By setting the parameters in the styles you are using,
you adjust the whole ?document at once.
------------------------------
-----------------------------
I followed the above mentioned instructions. Easy to follow until I
got to the following line:

Then remove your direct formatting (Ed>Clear>Clear Formats) and apply
the ?styles you just customised.

I'm not clear on how to follow the second step in the above mentioned
instruction set.

I've not been able to get Word 2004 Mac to display more than 22
lines. I've converted it to Adobe InDesign CS2 and then to PDF, but
this messes up the toc and index. the simple solution to my original
issue is simply FIND A WAY TO GET WORD 2004 MAC TO RECORD MORE THAN 22
LINES (I NEED 44 LINES PER PAGE SO AS TO EMULATE THE FINAL PRODUCT. I
HOPE IT CAN BE DONE IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THE TOC AND IDNEX DOESN'T
GET MESSED UP.
THANKS FOR ANY HELP!
CURT

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Technical Writer.
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