move document up or down 1 paragraph at a time

[Montserrat]

os 9.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 hts
325 mb ram
word 2001

Is there a way to move a document up or down one paragraph at a time in the
same way that the powerbook menu has five buttons, each performing a
valuable function in one click? For example, in editing a document I would
like to click once to move a paragraph to the top of the window as an easy
way to keep or find the location I¹m working in.

Thanks, Rafael

 

[Clive Huggan]

Hello Rafael,

Does Command-[up arrow] work?

I don't operate in Word 2001 any more, so I can't be sure. If I'm wrong,
try "Move the insertion point" in Word Help.

If this doesn't help (or if someone else doesn't step in), post back!

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
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follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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[Montserrat]

Hi Clive,

Command-[up arrow] moves the document from paragraph to paragraph up,
towards the top of the document.

What I want to do in editing is to move down the document paragraph by
paragraph, with the paragraph I'm working on at the top of the window.

Command-[down arrow] moves the document down (the way I want to proceed
editing) towards the bottom of the document, placing paragraph after
paragraph in order at the bottom of the window. At the top of the window,
the beginnings of paragraphs do not show up in order. Only random places in
the text show up at the top.

Thanks for reminding me of that key command though ["Command-[up/down
arrow"]. I had forgotten it, and I knew that it had something to do with
what I want to do. I was trying to find the command in 'help', but never
got the right search terms, though some search words did get me to items
that your, "Move the insertion point", led to, but the two topics there
pertain to esoteric graphic uses of word* which I don't use.

*"Move the insertion point"
€ Positioning the insertion point in an equation using keys
€ Ways to position text and graphics

Thank you for your reply. I still want to get each paragraph at the top. I
think that would help alot in editing text. I hope the program can do it.

Do the latest versions of word have the right function? Probably a lot of
other good editing functions, too. I am hesitant moving up because:
1. I'm busy writing and don't want to get involved in a whole switchover
project. Does upgrading go easily?
2. Can my computer handle it?
os 9.2.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 htz
325 mb ram

Best regards,

Rafael

From: Clive Huggan <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:24:31 +1000
Subject: Re: move document up or down 1 paragraph at a time

Hello Rafael,

Does Command-[up arrow] work?

I don't operate in Word 2001 any more, so I can't be sure. If I'm wrong,
try "Move the insertion point" in Word Help.

If this doesn't help (or if someone else doesn't step in), post back!

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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os 9.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 hts
325 mb ram
word 2001

Is there a way to move a document up or down one paragraph at a time in the
same way that the powerbook menu has five buttons, each performing a
valuable function in one click? For example, in editing a document I would
like to click once to move a paragraph to the top of the window as an easy
way to keep or find the location I¹m working in.

Thanks, Rafael

 

[Michel Bintener]

I believe so, but you would want to take the RAM up to half a gig at least,
and 1 gig would be better. Again, others will have more to say on this
since I'm not familiar with your particular computer model. I had a G3 iMac
and I know I *could* have upgraded to OS X; I just preferred to wait for the
G5.

I've just done some research on the internet, because I remembered reading
something about upgrading the G3 Wallstreet Powerbook to OS X, and I found
this website:
http://www.lowendmac.com/macdan/03/0318dk.html
The author says that while it is technically possible to do the upgrade, it
is anything but recommendable due to Wallstreet's ancient video technology
and lack of reasonable hard disk space. Read the article for yourself to
learn the details.

WallStreet is the oldest PowerBook that supports OS X, but the outdated video
chips and 8 MB partition issue make it less than ideal as an OS X machine.
It's a competent machine, don't get me wrong, just underpowered.

Rafael, I guess you'd better follow Beth's example and start looking for a
newer Mac if you want to use OS X. Your Powerbook is probably 5-7 years old,
that's already quite an old age for a computer nowadays.

Michel

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Rafael,

I've got a few suggestions/answers and Clive should have more.

Since Command> [up arrow] does what you want but backwards, try Command>
Option> [up arrow] and other similar three-key combinations (for instance,
with Shift or Control). You might just find it.

As for your questions:

Do the latest versions of word have the right function? Probably a lot of
other good editing functions, too. I am hesitant moving up because:
1. I'm busy writing and don't want to get involved in a whole switchover
project. Does upgrading go easily?

Upgrading from Office 2001 to Office 2004 is a snap. I just walked a friend
through it and she didn't really even need me. But first you'd have to
upgrade to OS X, which is more complicated. I never had to do it (I waited
until I could afford a new computer with OS X preinstalled), so others will
have to comment on this.

2. Can my computer handle it?
os 9.2.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 htz
325 mb ram

I believe so, but you would want to take the RAM up to half a gig at least,
and 1 gig would be better. Again, others will have more to say on this
since I'm not familiar with your particular computer model. I had a G3 iMac
and I know I *could* have upgraded to OS X; I just preferred to wait for the
G5.

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Hi Clive,

Command-[up arrow] moves the document from paragraph to paragraph up,
towards the top of the document.

What I want to do in editing is to move down the document paragraph by
paragraph, with the paragraph I'm working on at the top of the window.

Command-[down arrow] moves the document down (the way I want to proceed
editing) towards the bottom of the document, placing paragraph after
paragraph in order at the bottom of the window. At the top of the window,
the beginnings of paragraphs do not show up in order. Only random places in
the text show up at the top.

Thanks for reminding me of that key command though ["Command-[up/down
arrow"]. I had forgotten it, and I knew that it had something to do with
what I want to do. I was trying to find the command in 'help', but never
got the right search terms, though some search words did get me to items
that your, "Move the insertion point", led to, but the two topics there
pertain to esoteric graphic uses of word* which I don't use.

*"Move the insertion point"
€ Positioning the insertion point in an equation using keys
€ Ways to position text and graphics

Thank you for your reply. I still want to get each paragraph at the top. I
think that would help alot in editing text. I hope the program can do it.

Do the latest versions of word have the right function? Probably a lot of
other good editing functions, too. I am hesitant moving up because:
1. I'm busy writing and don't want to get involved in a whole switchover
project. Does upgrading go easily?
2. Can my computer handle it?
os 9.2.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 htz
325 mb ram

Best regards,

Rafael

From: Clive Huggan <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:24:31 +1000
Subject: Re: move document up or down 1 paragraph at a time

Hello Rafael,

Does Command-[up arrow] work?

I don't operate in Word 2001 any more, so I can't be sure. If I'm wrong,
try "Move the insertion point" in Word Help.

If this doesn't help (or if someone else doesn't step in), post back!

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

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re-visiting the newsgroup for several days after the first response comes
in. Sometimes it takes a few responses before the best or complete solution
is proposed; sometimes you'll be asked for further information so that a
better answer can be provided. Good tips about getting the best out of
posting are at http://word.mvps.org/FindHelp/Posting.htm (if you use Safari
and it gives you a blank page the first time, you may need to hit the
circular arrow icon -- "Reload the current page" -- a few times).

* AND ONE MORE ‹ AVOID SPAM: To avoid spam directed at contributors of
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os 9.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 hts
325 mb ram
word 2001

Is there a way to move a document up or down one paragraph at a time in the
same way that the powerbook menu has five buttons, each performing a
valuable function in one click? For example, in editing a document I would
like to click once to move a paragraph to the top of the window as an easy
way to keep or find the location I¹m working in.

Thanks, Rafael

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Upgrading from Office 2001 to Office 2004 is a snap. I just walked a friend
through it and she didn't really even need me. But first you'd have to
upgrade to OS X, which is more complicated.

No it isn't. Just a little slower.

I never had to do it (I waited
until I could afford a new computer with OS X preinstalled), so others will
have to comment on this.

Glad to oblige. Just buy an OS 10.3 CD set (or wait for 10.4) and install
it. I believe that it will offer to Upgrade and can get your personal user
info from OS 9.2.2. If not, you'll just have to enter a bit of personal info
and internet settings upon completion.

I believe so, but you would want to take the RAM up to half a gig at least,
and 1 gig would be better. Again, others will have more to say on this
since I'm not familiar with your particular computer model. I had a G3 iMac
and I know I *could* have upgraded to OS X; I just preferred to wait for the
G5.

No, it looks as if you don't.


From the Apple Website, Upgrading to OS 10.3:

System Requirements:

1.

Confirm that your hardware can run Mac OS X Version 10.3 Panther
Mac OS X Version 10.3 requires a Macintosh with a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5
processor, built-in USB; at least 128MB of physical RAM and a built-in
display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported by
your computer. Mac OS X does not support processor upgrade cards. Verify
your hardware is supported from the list below.

2.

Verify you have enough hard drive space.
While the amount of disk space required depends on your computer and the way
you are installing Mac OS X, you are recommended to have at least 2.0 GB of
available space on your hard drive, or 3.5GB of disk space if you install
developer tools.


Does the Wall Street G3 have built-in USB? I just checked
<http://www.apple-history.com/>.

Apparently not - the first USB PB was the Lombard in 1999. You have a 1998
model. Sorry - too bad.


I'm not sure how you got an odd number of RAM MB either. Maybe you mean 320?
256 + 64 = 320. Actually, the maximum RAM on a Lombard is 192 MB RAM, which
is way too little for OS X. Maybe you don't have a Wall Street? Do you have
a bronze keyboard? If you have a Lombard or Pismo, which both can take up to
512 MB RAM and have USB slots, you'd be OK. Which PB do you really have? Do
have have some sort of 3rd-party upgrade card which gave you more RAM? If
it's a Wall Street, you still can't install 10.3. I can't recall if 10.2 had
a lesser hardware requirement - perhaps so - but I really wouldn't take this
route. I'd wait until you can get a newer iBook or PowerBook, and then
install 10.3 or 10.4. There are refurbished computers on Apple's own site,
not to mention eBay and other locations.



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[Michel Bintener]

Yes, I noticed that, too. I'm pretty fast, am I not? ;-) Kidding aside: I
wonder why this is happening, because the clock is set to daylight savings,
it's even set to synchronise with Apple Europe. Strange... Anyway, I checked
the settings in my Entourage preferences, I rebooted, repaired my disk
permissions and compacted my database. Let's see if it works now.

Paul: thank you for your detailed explanations. And yes, Jaguar did have
lower system requirements than Panther, so it might be possible, as I said,
to upgrade the Wallstreet Powerbook to OS X, but 10.2 in the best case. So
once again, Rafael, if you want to use OS X, you'd better get a new(er) Mac.

Michel

 

[Beth Rosengard]

Hi Michel,

Thanks for posting that.

And, by the way, your post appears to have been sent *before* mine! I
suspect your computer's clock hasn't updated to daylight savings time?

Cheers,

Beth

 

[Michel Bintener]

Yes, I noticed that, too. I'm pretty fast, am I not? ;-) Kidding aside: I
wonder why this is happening, because the clock is set to daylight savings,
it's even set to synchronise with Apple Europe. Strange... Anyway, I checked
the settings in my Entourage preferences, I rebooted, repaired my disk
permissions and compacted my database. Let's see if it works now.

Apparently it didn't. I'll try this one more time, and if it doesn't work,
I'll start a new topic in the Entourage newsgroup. Sorry for taking this
post off-topic.

 

[Clive Huggan]

Rafael,

Time zones aside (here in the temperate latitudes of the southern hemisphere
we are luxuriating in sleeping in an extra hour, while the feeling lasts! --
and it's 8am in Canberra, hence I awake to these responses) -- I agree that
you would, in all practical terms, be *much* better off waiting till you can
get a new Mac. The iBooks and PowerBooks are marvellous, fast machines (I
use PowerBooks) and if you have 1GB of memory it gives a performance edge,
as I have found comparatively.

And yes, Office upgrades nicely, although you need to feed in your old CD at
the right time -- in response to a dialogue that is so obscure that you can
hardly imagine that this is what it means.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying your needs. I now remember that for the same
purpose I asked a question a while back about whether a macro could activate
the scroll arrows so I could achieve the same thing, and received a "can't
be done" from the experts. I remember that it was a high item on Elliott
Roper's wish list too, and he is not one to give up easily.

So let's wait till some more people come along, but don't be hopeful!

Cheers,

Clive
======

 

[Bob Mathews]

2. Can my computer handle [the OS X upgrade]?

I believe so, but you would want to take the RAM up to half a
gig at least, and 1 gig would be better. Again, others will
have
more to say on this since I'm not familiar with your particular
computer model. I had a G3 iMac and I know I *could* have
upgraded to OS X; I just preferred to wait for the G5.

I had a G3 PowerBook I wanted to upgrade to OS X, but ISTM that
it required a minimum of 1 GB free hard drive space for the
upgrade. You don't mention how much HD space you have, but that's
definitely a consideration. I did what Beth did and got a more
powerful computer. Even if you were to upgrade the G3, I'm sure
it would be so agonizingly slow that you're regret it.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

2. Can my computer handle [the OS X upgrade]?
os 9.2.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 htz
325 mb ram

I believe so, but you would want to take the RAM up to half a
gig at least, and 1 gig would be better. Again, others will
have
more to say on this since I'm not familiar with your particular
computer model. I had a G3 iMac and I know I *could* have
upgraded to OS X; I just preferred to wait for the G5.

I had a G3 PowerBook I wanted to upgrade to OS X, but ISTM that
it required a minimum of 1 GB free hard drive space for the
upgrade. You don't mention how much HD space you have, but that's
definitely a consideration. I did what Beth did and got a more
powerful computer. Even if you were to upgrade the G3, I'm sure
it would be so agonizingly slow that you're regret it.

I had the pb g3 lombard, I think 333mhz (maybe 233) and 256MB RAM, and there
was no freaking way I was going to try running OS X on it. A friend
upgraded the pismo pb g3 with 512MB to OS X and I considered it very slow.
In fact, I thought he was crazy.

Daiya

 

[Elliott Roper]

2. Can my computer handle [the OS X upgrade]?
os 9.2.2
g3 wallstreet
2mg
233 htz
325 mb ram

I had the pb g3 lombard, I think 333mhz (maybe 233) and 256MB RAM, and there
was no freaking way I was going to try running OS X on it. A friend
upgraded the pismo pb g3 with 512MB to OS X and I considered it very slow.
In fact, I thought he was crazy.

I think you have to jump through a few hoops to get a Wallstreet to run
X. It has been done.

My missus is running a Pismo 400 with 512MB on 10.2.8 It ain't no
whirling dervish, but it is quite usable. I'm going to put Tiger on it
when it arrives. I am expecting it to be a little faster then. The
trick is to drive it like OS X expects. Leave everything running
forever. Do many things at once. If it were not for me doing security
updates, it would have an uptime of nearly a year. I reckon it was one
of the best Mac portables ever.

 

[Elliott Roper]

<snip>
Anyway, thanks for clarifying your needs. I now remember that for the same
purpose I asked a question a while back about whether a macro could activate
the scroll arrows so I could achieve the same thing, and received a "can't
be done" from the experts. I remember that it was a high item on Elliott
Roper's wish list too, and he is not one to give up easily.

So let's wait till some more people come along, but don't be hopeful!

Heh! I *have* sorta given up. These days I navigate by keystrokes. I
turn the scrollbars off completely. Page up-down; para up-down;
sentence/word forward and back. Some combination of those places the
insertion point at a sensible place on the page.

I pine for a magic preference that allows you to specify an automatic
scrolling range so the insertion point remains in a specified
percentage and offset on the page. i.e scroll the screen whenever you
are less than n lines from top or bottom.

After inserting for a bit, it is irritatingly common for the insertion
point to jam itself on the very bottom line. I do a couple of para
downs, followed by cmd-opt-z, which works except when inside long
paragraphs, or when I have multiple documents open.

PS in page view mode, v.X, with footnotes or footers present, the
bottom line erases and redisplays on every keystroke when Word is
thinking about widows, i.e just before transferring you paragraph to
the next page. How inept can you get?

 

[Montserrat]

Beth & Michael
That settles that.
I bought it in 1998. It is a good machine. I baby it now, don't take it out
at all, cafes etc. I like the moulded case. os9 works for me for the time
being
Thanks, Rafael

 

[Norman R. Nager, Ph.D.]

Ah, well, here's another opinion:

My 266-mhz Beige G3-rev A runs OS 10.3.8, Office 2004, TurboTax 2004,
Safari, Firefox, Photoshop 7 and quite a lot more. With 768-mb RAM, it's
pretty zippy. Not as fast as my G4, but it makes an excellent backup
computer when the G4 is busy beta testing, running maintenance or otherwise
occupied. There is no software that I use on the G4 that I cannot run on
the Beige.

To install Panther, I used XPostFacto 3, so-far-free software that enables
10.3.x to be installed on pre-USB-era models.

I am limited to using the first 8 gb of the hard drive for Panther but
because I've installed all applications (other than those installed by the
OS) on another partition and all my photos, music and documents on a third
partition, I've got lots of free space. I don't do videos, which might be
more taxing.

I did add a USB/Firewire card so I can plug in all the peripherals from the
G4. And it's connected via a router. It uses hand-me-down peripherals from
the G4, as well as sharing some.

Respectfully, Norm

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

I think the major difference here is that you can't pack 768MB RAM into a
wallstreet powerbook. I had the model after his and mine tapped out at 384MB
supported, and 512MB unsupported, I think. Not sure if the unsupported
levels have changed as memory offerings change.

 

[Clive Huggan]

Thanks for that, Norman -- very useful! My own 266-mhz Beige G3-rev A has
just received a life extension!

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
============================================================

 

[Clive Huggan]

Rafael,

Here's a hardware solution: I read in the current Australian Macworld
magazine (probably a reprint from US Macworld) about the Macally RF Combo
Special (keyboard and mouse bundle) has a keyboard with its own scroll-wheel
just to the right of the Shift key.

<becomes curious>

Here it is: www.macally.com/spec/usb/input_device/keyboards.html

Cheers,

Clive Huggan
Canberra, Australia
(My time zone is at least 5 hours different from the US and Europe, so my
follow-on responses to those regions can be delayed)
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