Moving "Microsoft User Data" folder?

S

Stephen Mumford

For whatever reason, whenever I open my copy of MS Word (Mac OS 10.3.7,
Word v 11.0), it seems to want to create a "Microsoft use Data" folder
in my Documents folder if there already isn't one there.

For the life of me, I can't seem to find how to stop that. Needless to
say, I don't WANT my documents folder -- which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly -- to be filled up with a bunch
of user data files. Presumably, there is a way to have MSWord relocate
that file so it doesn't keep cluttering up place I want it out of, but
I just can't seem to find how to do so (the 'file locations' option
under Preferences doesn't seem to be helping). Can anyone help me out
on this one, perhaps?
 
B

Bill Weylock

Stephen -


Please just get used to having the User Data folder there. Unless one of the
True Gurus correct me, there is no option to placement of that folder. By
deleting or moving it, you are confusing all of your office applications,
including Entourage. If I am wrong about placement, of course ignore the
next paragraph completely.

If you think about it, we are talking about one folder. Even if you keep all
of your document at the top level of the Documents folder (which will
probably become undesirably cluttered soon if not already), there must be a
limit to how annoying one folder can be. If you want to avoid it and find
that you select it when you don¹t want to, maybe try giving it a colored
label to set it apart?


Best,


- Bill


For whatever reason, whenever I open my copy of MS Word (Mac OS 10.3.7,
Word v 11.0), it seems to want to create a "Microsoft use Data" folder
in my Documents folder if there already isn't one there.

For the life of me, I can't seem to find how to stop that. Needless to
say, I don't WANT my documents folder -- which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly -- to be filled up with a bunch
of user data files. Presumably, there is a way to have MSWord relocate
that file so it doesn't keep cluttering up place I want it out of, but
I just can't seem to find how to do so (the 'file locations' option
under Preferences doesn't seem to be helping). Can anyone help me out
on this one, perhaps?




Panther 10.3.6
Office 2004
Windows XP Pro SP2
Office 2003
 
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Paul Berkowitz

There is one alternative, although I can't see what the point would be. If
you want, you could move the Microsoft User Data folder to another location
and create an alias to it in the proper location (~/Documents).

It's not cluttering up anything. That's where it has to be (or an alias).
That's where your Entourage database and supporting files live. If you move
the folder without leaving an alias, another will be created, but with a new
empty Entourage database. So you'd "Lose" all your email messages and other
data every time.

Even if you don't use Entourage and don't care, the MUD folder is also where
Word creates your Normal template, and where it has to live. (This is far
preferable to the former location in earlier Word versions - inside the
Office X folder - where it could be replaced every time you did an update of
the application.) That's why Word is creating a new MUD folder every time
you move it.

Just get used to it. That's where it belongs.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

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From: Bill Weylock <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.word
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:15:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Moving "Microsoft User Data" folder?

Stephen -


Please just get used to having the User Data folder there. Unless one of the
True Gurus correct me, there is no option to placement of that folder. By
deleting or moving it, you are confusing all of your office applications,
including Entourage. If I am wrong about placement, of course ignore the
next paragraph completely.

If you think about it, we are talking about one folder. Even if you keep all
of your document at the top level of the Documents folder (which will
probably become undesirably cluttered soon if not already), there must be a
limit to how annoying one folder can be. If you want to avoid it and find
that you select it when you don¹t want to, maybe try giving it a colored
label to set it apart?


Best,


- Bill


For whatever reason, whenever I open my copy of MS Word (Mac OS 10.3.7,
Word v 11.0), it seems to want to create a "Microsoft use Data" folder
in my Documents folder if there already isn't one there.

For the life of me, I can't seem to find how to stop that. Needless to
say, I don't WANT my documents folder -- which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly -- to be filled up with a bunch
of user data files. Presumably, there is a way to have MSWord relocate
that file so it doesn't keep cluttering up place I want it out of, but
I just can't seem to find how to do so (the 'file locations' option
under Preferences doesn't seem to be helping). Can anyone help me out
on this one, perhaps?




Panther 10.3.6
Office 2004
Windows XP Pro SP2
Office 2003
 
B

Beth Rosengard

Hi Stephen,

Bill is exactly right. You MUST have a MUD or it will be recreated anytime
you open *any* Office application, not just Word. The MUD holds your
identity folder(s), the Normal template and various other files and folders
which Office REQUIRES to operate properly. Do NOT delete OR move the MUD
nor the files inside it. Just leave it where it is and ignore it.

As for your personal documents, just create a folder for them inside the
Documents folder. I have two such folders which I call BR Documents and BR
Graphics. BR are my initials, but they also serve to keep these personal
document folders at the top of the MUD, since folders are sorted
alphabetically (in Column view).

Hope this helps.

--
***Please always reply to the newsgroup!***

Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://word.mvps.org/MacWordNew/index.htm>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org>
 
D

Daiya Mitchell

Since there are a lot of applications that clutter my Documents folder with
stuff, I generally leave the Documents folder to them, and have my own
Daiya's Data folder. There's no law that says you have to keep your stuff
in Documents.
which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly --
Actually, no--since applications use and depend on it, clearly that's what
it's designed for, just as you have a special Applications folder. There's
an AppleWorks User Data folder too, and I've got an Adobe one. :) I think
MacSoup puts it's stuff there...

You can drag other folders into the sidebar of a Finder window, that
convenience is not limited to Documents.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Stephen:

I'm with YOU :)

The other posters are quite correct: there is no way to move that folder in
Mac OS X.

There was lusty debate on this issue during the building of Word X. The
official answer is that "it has to be somewhere" and the recommendation for
Mac OS X is to put it in the user's Documents folder so there is only one
location that needs to be backed up. (The content of the MUD is highly
valuable data that does need to be backed up...)

My argument at the time was that because the content of the MUD is so
valuable, it should actually be moved out of the user's workspace into the
Program Files area. Eventually I was persuaded that if we put it in the
MUD, the user would be more likely to see it and back it up.

Sorry :)

For whatever reason, whenever I open my copy of MS Word (Mac OS 10.3.7,
Word v 11.0), it seems to want to create a "Microsoft use Data" folder
in my Documents folder if there already isn't one there.

For the life of me, I can't seem to find how to stop that. Needless to
say, I don't WANT my documents folder -- which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly -- to be filled up with a bunch
of user data files. Presumably, there is a way to have MSWord relocate
that file so it doesn't keep cluttering up place I want it out of, but
I just can't seem to find how to do so (the 'file locations' option
under Preferences doesn't seem to be helping). Can anyone help me out
on this one, perhaps?

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
 
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Paul Berkowitz

My argument at the time was that because the content of the MUD is so
valuable, it should actually be moved out of the user's workspace into the
Program Files area. Eventually I was persuaded that if we put it in the
MUD, the user would be more likely to see it and back it up.

That is not the reason, John. First of all, there is no designated "Program
Files" area on the Mac - you're thinking Windows again. There are two
possible other "areas": within the Microsoft Office 2004 folder, usually in
/Applications (i.e. "Program Files") on the root hard disk, which is where
all this stuff used to be, and is a very bad idea, or 2) the "Application
Support" folder within the user folder ("user's workspace"), which is a good
idea, but...

1) - anywhere within Microsoft Office 2004 folder is a terrible idea because
drag-and-drop updates of Office could wipe out all personal data,
permanently and irrevocably. That's what used to happen in Outlook Express
Mac before v5.0.2 introduced the first Microsoft User Data folder back in OS
9. Entourage 2001 used the same MUD folder for the same reasons, and then
Entourage X used separate MUD folders for each user in each user's
~/Documents/ folder. It was a brilliant idea, and Microsoft was the first to
do it on the Mac. Soon other apps, principally Adobe and Palm, followed suit
with their own _ User Documents folders.

2) In the meantime, somewhere around OS 10.1 or 10.2 (I forget), Apple also
decided it was a great idea to keep user files somewhere in the the user
sector and created an "Application Support" folder for each user, as well as
one on the hard disk Library. Some people advocate this as the correct
location for all apps. At this point, it would probably create confusion for
Office to change the location. Furthermore, the very, very large proportion
of files in the MUD really are documents rather than support files. By far
the largest bulk in the MUD, for most people, is occupied by the Entourage
identity databases containing encoded email messages, contacts, calendar,
etc. - data, documents. Entourage scripts and Word Normal template are more
like application support files, I suppose, but they are document files of a
sort as well, so it still makes sense to keep everything together.

Do not forget that every OS X "user" has completely separate sets of
Entourage identities, Word Normal template, etc. etc. OS X is a multi-user
environment, and Office takes full advantage of it. So the "user's
workspace" (OS X user directory) is absolutely the right place for all of
this stuff. I think there's definitely something to be said for keeping it
all together in the MUD folder in ~/Documents/ rather than splitting it up
between there and ~/Application Support/Microsoft Office User Support
Files/, also somewhere (a different location) in the "user's workspace".
Perhaps this is the argument you're recalling, John. But both these places
are still within the user directory, where they need to be. Nobody, but
nobody, ever advocated putting them in the central hard disk "Program Files"
(/Applications) area. In fact, I strongly feel that "My Templates" and all
the Startup Folders, should also be moved to the MUD folder (or the putative
~/Application Support/ area within the user folder). It should all be
user-designated and -controlled.


--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html>
AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

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M

matt neuburg

Stephen Mumford said:
For whatever reason, whenever I open my copy of MS Word (Mac OS 10.3.7,
Word v 11.0), it seems to want to create a "Microsoft use Data" folder
in my Documents folder if there already isn't one there.

For the life of me, I can't seem to find how to stop that. Needless to
say, I don't WANT my documents folder -- which is, obviously, designed
to hold the documents I use regularly -- to be filled up with a bunch
of user data files. Presumably, there is a way to have MSWord relocate
that file so it doesn't keep cluttering up place I want it out of, but
I just can't seem to find how to do so (the 'file locations' option
under Preferences doesn't seem to be helping). Can anyone help me out
on this one, perhaps?

Microsoft Office will look for the MUD folder in two places: your
Documents folder and your Preferences folder. If it finds it in either
of those places it will accept the situation and will use it where it
finds it. Alternatively, if it finds an alias to it in the Documents
folder, that's fine too. Otherwise it will create it anew in the
Documents folder.

So in your case you could solve the problem by moving it into the
Preferences folder. Word will find it there next time and will accept
this as a valid location. m.
 

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