MS Graph Sizing

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Joan NYC

I am in the unfortunate position of job searching due to
my former company's decision to outsource to India.

One of the "tests" given by agencies include embedded MS
Graph in Powerpoint presentations. I have no trouble
with Excel but find that I have problems actually sizing
charts consistently with MS Graph

Any tips on where to find some info would be greatly
appreciated

joan/nyc
 
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Brian Reilly, MS MVP

Hi Joan, Long time no see.
Not sure what you are having a problem with here. Sizing the chart in
MS Graph or sizing it in PPT?

Couple of thoughts, try turning off the AutoSize fonts check box on
each of the axis dialogs. Then if you just resize the chart in PPT
your fonts will stay x points.

Or take a look at either of two addins that I've written which are
available at PPTools.com

The ShapeStyles guy would treat an MS Graph shape as just a shape and
size that automatically identically each time to a size you had
recorded before.

The Starter Set Plus guy has a tool to pick up locations or dimensions
of objects and another one to nail a clicked object into those
memorized locations.

Ask more questions, Echo is an expert at MS Graph charts.

Brian Reilly, PowerPoint MVP
 
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Echo S

Joan said:
I am in the unfortunate position of job searching due to
my former company's decision to outsource to India.

One of the "tests" given by agencies include embedded MS
Graph in Powerpoint presentations. I have no trouble
with Excel but find that I have problems actually sizing
charts consistently with MS Graph

Any tips on where to find some info would be greatly
appreciated

I don't know that there's anything specifically about this documented
anywhere, Joan, but here are some tips.

1. When you set the font in the graph, deselect "autosize" on that
dialog box. That will keep your fonts at the point size you set them
instead of increasing them or decreasing them as you manipulate the
graph. That, of course, makes it easier for you to keep the graph text
consistent with the rest of the text on the slide.

2. Do your basic resizing with the "herringbone" edges around the graph
when it's activated. Drag by a corner to keep the overall Chart Area
proportionate. Drag the top or the size to resize vertically or
horizontally. If you do this by dragging the edges in PPT when the graph
isn't activated, you can cause some very odd distortion.

3. Keep the basic overall Chart Area size (see #2) "tight" to the size
of the graph itself. To make a graph itself larger, drag the edges of
the Plot Area as opposed to the Chart Area. You may need to increase the
Chart Area somewhat to allow for increasing the Plot Area, but that's
okay. Basically, the goal is to have your graph sized appropriately by
sizing the *graph itself,* not by just increasing the Chart Area so it
drags off the edge of the slide.

I see all kinds of oddball jumps and resizes when the Chart Area greatly
exceeds the width (or height) of a slide. As I partially described in
#2, this kind of thing is usually caused when people drag the edges or
corners of the chart selection area when in PPT itself, not when Graph
is activated. And this is just not terribly reliable, as far as I'm
concerned.

4. In PPT, you can always right-click the chart (this would be when the
Graph is not activated and you're on the PPT slide itself) and choose
Format Object/Size. This is a more reliable way to resize graphs than
the aforementioned dragging is. I still recommend using the technique in
#2 to get your proportions and basic sizing correct, then use the
right-click Format Object to tweak to specifications.

5. When you open a graph to activate Graph, try using a
right-click/Chart Object/Edit instead of a double-click. It's kinda
crazy, but I often find that things move around less if I open this way
than if I double-click. (I'm probably moving my mouse on the second part
of the double-click or something, but at least this right-click seems to
work better for me.)

Finally, if you don't already know this, to tell the difference between
Chart Area and Plot Area in an activated Graph, you can select various
parts of the chart and look on the toolbar for the "Chart Objects" box
-- it will change to show the names of the parts as you select them.
That will help you see the difference between a plot area and a chart
area (which can be hard to select or even determine on some chart types.
I find it difficult to select a pie chart plot area sometimes, for
instance. You can use this box on the toolbar to select things in the
chart as well.)

If you need to insure that your graphs are all the same size throughout
a presentation, you can use these techniques to create one, then just
copy that slide and change the data sheet as necessary. Using especially
#1 with the fonts and #5 with the opens will help maintain your sizes.
 
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Joan NYC

Thanks Brian

Good to see you still have your MVP status. I was
dropped some time ago for "lack of input". Guess I
didn't know the right people :)

If I were creating the presentation from scratch I would
do one chart and then copy it and then edit

I had a presentation I had to edit at work (when I was
still employed) and had to resize an MS Graph and could
not get it to work from within Graph. However, I have
been playing around here and it seems to work.

Thanks much
 
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Joan NYC

Thanks so much for all the info

I had problems some time ago resizing a graph in
Powerpoint from within Graph.

The autoresize font is a great tip

Also I have learned not to double click objects but to
right click.

I hate the idea of using MS Graph. I prefer to do a
chart in Excel and just copy it in. Feel I have much
more control and know lots about Excel charting

I will keep your notes.

Once again, thanks

AND... I would NEVER take a job that worked exclusively
in Powerpoint. Life is too short :)

joan
 
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Brian Reilly, MS MVP

Echo,
Knew you knew just about everything about charts. Thanks for passing
this on to my friend Joan, who used to be a Word MVP a while back.

Now if you didn't know this little tidbit, I'll pass it on. Know it
for a while now since Rob Bovey, an Excel MVP taught it to me years
ago.

You can select a chart in either MS Grump or Excel and cycle through
each of the major selectable objects, e.g. Chart Area, Plot Area, X
Axis, Y axis, Seriies 1, Series 2, etc using the Up/Down/Left/Right
arrow keys. Just cycles through in order in a continous loop. If you
have a hard time getting anywhere, this is one of the fastest ways
there. In fact, I usually use this method more often than using the
mouse to select on those occasions when I actually work with an actual
chart in a non-VBA interface.

It's basically the same idea as using the Tab key to cycle through
each object on a slide in PPT when it's hard to actually select one
since they are "stacked".

Bet you knew that and just forgot it (g).

Brian Reilly, PowerPoint MVP
 
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Echo S

Thanks for the arrow info, Brian. I didn't know about that one!

(I do like pointing out the toolbar box, though, because it helps people
see what various items on the chart are called.)
 
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Echo S

Joan said:
I hate the idea of using MS Graph. I prefer to do a
chart in Excel and just copy it in. Feel I have much
more control and know lots about Excel charting

I like to chart in Excel, too. But if you're required to use PPT's
graphing for a test, hopefully you can get through that and then just
use Excel once you start the "real" work. <g>
 

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