My Webs Folder System Attribute Causes Unpredictable Behavior

V

Vanyar

The FrontPage application's 'My Webs' folder has a system attribute. This is
odd and frustrating since its location at '\My Documents\My Webs' makes it a
candidate for backup
by most backup software and because as a system folder it cannot be backed
up.
In fact for a variety of backup software a folder with the system attribute
can cause unpredictable behavior as 'My Webs' causes our software.

My question is this: "Why does FrontPage's My Webs folder have a system
attribute?"
 
V

Vanyar

That's not the case on Windows XP, Steve. as many XP users already know.

While a My Music and My Videos is created under My Documents, the XP
operating system does not install a 'My Web' under My Documents. That folder
is placed there by FrontPage.
 
T

Tom [Pepper] Willett

What was your original question? (you've snipped it from this reply)
--
===
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"You're a daisy if you do!"
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| That's not the case on Windows XP, Steve. as many XP users already know.
|
| While a My Music and My Videos is created under My Documents, the XP
| operating system does not install a 'My Web' under My Documents. That
folder
| is placed there by FrontPage.
|
 
V

Vanyar

Tom [Pepper] Willett said:
What was your original question? (you've snipped it from this reply)
--
===
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"You're a daisy if you do!"
---
FrontPage Support:
http://www.frontpagemvps.com/
===
| That's not the case on Windows XP, Steve. as many XP users already know.
|
| While a My Music and My Videos is created under My Documents, the XP
| operating system does not install a 'My Web' under My Documents. That
folder
| is placed there by FrontPage.
|
Click to expand...

The FrontPage application's 'My Webs' folder has a system attribute. This is
odd and frustrating since its location at '\My Documents\My Webs' makes it a
candidate for backup by most backup software and because as a system folder
it cannot be backed up.
In fact for a variety of backup software a folder with the system attribute
can cause unpredictable behavior as 'My Webs' causes our software.

My question is this: "Why does FrontPage's My Webs folder have a system
attribute?"
 
S

Steve Easton

Well dang, now I'm going to have to check next time I do a clean install of XP,
because I'm certain I've seen that folder in every machine since ME.
But I'm old and absent minded at times, and to be honest never use the my webs folder.
All of my webs are either in the drive root ( disk based ) or in IIS.
Nor do I rely on automatic backups.

However, back to the original point.
Have you tried to take ownership of the my webs folder?
I suspect the system attribute is being inherited from the parent: My Documents folder
which is considered a system folder.

That said, have you considered using a different location that you can set to be backed up?

The alternative being to manually back up your web sites by publishing to a back up location.
Extra steps I know, but actually much safer.


--

Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
 
R

Rob Giordano \(Crash\)

My wife's XP Home box does not have a My Webs folder.



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| Well dang, now I'm going to have to check next time I do a clean install
of XP,
| because I'm certain I've seen that folder in every machine since ME.
| But I'm old and absent minded at times, and to be honest never use the my
webs folder.
| All of my webs are either in the drive root ( disk based ) or in IIS.
| Nor do I rely on automatic backups.
|
| However, back to the original point.
| Have you tried to take ownership of the my webs folder?
| I suspect the system attribute is being inherited from the parent: My
Documents folder
| which is considered a system folder.
|
| That said, have you considered using a different location that you can set
to be backed up?
|
| The alternative being to manually back up your web sites by publishing to
a back up location.
| Extra steps I know, but actually much safer.
|
|
| --
|
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| FP Cleaner
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
| Hit Me FP
| http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
|
|
|
| | > That's not the case on Windows XP, Steve. as many XP users already know.
| >
| > While a My Music and My Videos is created under My Documents, the XP
| > operating system does not install a 'My Web' under My Documents. That
folder
| > is placed there by FrontPage.
| >
|
 
V

Vanyar

Steve Easton said:
Well dang, now I'm going to have to check next time I do a clean install of XP,
because I'm certain I've seen that folder in every machine since ME.
But I'm old and absent minded at times, and to be honest never use the my webs folder.
All of my webs are either in the drive root ( disk based ) or in IIS.
Nor do I rely on automatic backups.

However, back to the original point.
Have you tried to take ownership of the my webs folder?
I suspect the system attribute is being inherited from the parent: My Documents folder
which is considered a system folder.

That said, have you considered using a different location that you can set to be backed up?

The alternative being to manually back up your web sites by publishing to a back up location.
Extra steps I know, but actually much safer.


--

Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
Click to expand...

Well, removing the 'System' permission from the My Webs folder appears to
open a can of worms since once the 'System' attribute is removed the folder
could lose its intended function. However, your replies I've received thus
far have not answered my original question:

"Why does FrontPage's My Webs folder have a system attribute?"

Is there a developer or product manager who can answer this question?
 
T

Thomas A. Rowe

You might best post this question to the Windows newsgroup or contact MS Product support.

However I think the main reason (as it has pointed out that the My Web is installed by FP) is that
FP uses a subset of the FP extensions within the client application, that FP has to have system
level access to the folder to control setting permission on the _private folder as well as allowing
users to create subwebs/subsites, use database components, FP includes component, etc.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================
 
V

Vanyar

Thomas A. Rowe said:
You might best post this question to the Windows newsgroup or contact MS Product support.

However I think the main reason (as it has pointed out that the My Web is installed by FP) is that
FP uses a subset of the FP extensions within the client application, that FP has to have system
level access to the folder to control setting permission on the _private folder as well as allowing
users to create subwebs/subsites, use database components, FP includes component, etc.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

http://www.Ecom-Data.com
==============================================
Click to expand...
Thank you, Thomas, for your insights.
 

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