Mysterious Formatting

[Nici Thompson]

With invisible paragraph marks turned on, a backwards 3 in left margin,
paragraph formatting is different than rest of document, and in back
deleting to try to get rid of it, it doesn't go away, just stays, changing
the formatting of the paragraph it is in...what is going on here?

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

A backwards 3? Haven't a clue.

What version of Word and OS?

Was this doc originally created in Word?

ResetPara (cmd-opt-q) and ResetChar (cmd-shift-z) should eliminate all
applied formatting. You could try those. (I'm not totally sure those are
default keyboard shortcuts, though.) Or try copying the paragraph without
the last paragraph mark into a different doc, deleting it, then pasting the
text back in.

 

[Rob Daly [MSFT]]

Yeah - that's pretty weird. There is no formatting mark that I know of that
is a backward 3. Here is a list of all the formatting marks that word uses:
http://department.monm.edu/is/help-docs/word/general/format-marks.htm

If may be that the font that Word uses to display formatting marks is either
not installed or disabled. Have you disabled any fonts in FontBook lately?
You should try to go enabling everything there and see if it shows the
correct formatting mark. If it does, you can then use the reference above to
figure out what kind of paragraph formatting you're seeing.

Another possibility is that you may have instantiated a list with some weird
font/glyph set for bullets. Again - that would most likely be a font issue.
Choose the paragraph and open the format | Paragraph dialog. See what the
paragraph is set to under Outline Level.


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[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Rob,

She just sent me the file, and I see the backwards 3 too, so it's not a font
issue, I don't think. All the other paragraph marks show up fine. And it's
not a bullet because it definitely isn't text, it only shows up with
nonprinting characters on. Do you want me to send you a screenshot?

Daiya

 

[Paul Berkowitz]

Could it be a Euro? (double-mid-line in the "backward 3"). The same "upper
ASCII" character that's a bullet in MacRoman is a euro in Windows.

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[Rob Daly [MSFT]]

Can I see the file itself?

If not - a screenshot would be great. Thanks,


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[Daiya Mitchell]

On the way. To satisfy the curiosity of the rest, I will break the rules and
post a 12K tiff screenshot.

DM

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

I will post the 12k screenshot, since we're all agog with curiosity.

Never mind! Rob got back to me, and I feel silly, since had I actually sat
down with it I think I would have got this--I just sent to the poster:

Rob said:
"The backward 3 is not a backward three - it is the side of two overlapping
paragraph marks that are truncated by the drawing composites. If you open
the header you'll notice there is a frame in there. If you delete that
frame, you'll notice there is another frame in there! There are two frames
in the header, both of which obviously have a paragraph mark. When
formatting marks are turned on, they both get display but are then
overlapped by the paragraphs of the document body making them appear like a
backward 3."

And the reason is because when you use Insert | Page Number, it puts the
number in a frame. Then if you delete the number, often the frame doesn't
get deleted and goes wandering. If you view headers/footers and use the #
icon on the h/f toolbar, though, it will not get put in a frame.

Here's a similar issue:
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/UnaccountablyIndented.htm
(hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)

Daiya

 

[Clive Huggan]

Never mind! Rob got back to me, and I feel silly, since had I actually sat
down with it I think I would have got this--I just sent to the poster:

Rob said:
"The backward 3 is not a backward three - it is the side of two overlapping
paragraph marks that are truncated by the drawing composites. If you open
the header you'll notice there is a frame in there. If you delete that
frame, you'll notice there is another frame in there! There are two frames
in the header, both of which obviously have a paragraph mark. When
formatting marks are turned on, they both get display but are then
overlapped by the paragraphs of the document body making them appear like a
backward 3."

And the reason is because when you use Insert | Page Number, it puts the
number in a frame. Then if you delete the number, often the frame doesn't
get deleted and goes wandering. If you view headers/footers and use the #
icon on the h/f toolbar, though, it will not get put in a frame.

Here's a similar issue:
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/UnaccountablyIndented.htm
(hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)

Daiya

You're never silly, Daiya! And just think, we all enjoyed that wonderful
word "agog", even without that special meaning for Welsh people ... ;-)

[I for one wouldn't have guessed, even if I had stared at it catatonically
all day.]

Cheers,

Clive
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[Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.]

Never mind! Rob got back to me, and I feel silly, since had I actually sat
down with it I think I would have got this--I just sent to the poster:

Rob said:
"The backward 3 is not a backward three - it is the side of two overlapping
paragraph marks that are truncated by the drawing composites. If you open
the header you'll notice there is a frame in there. If you delete that
frame, you'll notice there is another frame in there! There are two frames
in the header, both of which obviously have a paragraph mark. When
formatting marks are turned on, they both get display but are then
overlapped by the paragraphs of the document body making them appear like a
backward 3."

And the reason is because when you use Insert | Page Number, it puts the
number in a frame. Then if you delete the number, often the frame doesn't
get deleted and goes wandering. If you view headers/footers and use the #
icon on the h/f toolbar, though, it will not get put in a frame.

Here's a similar issue:
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/formatting/UnaccountablyIndented.htm
(hit refresh a few times in Safari, or use a different browser)

Daiya

You're never silly, Daiya! And just think, we all enjoyed that wonderful
word "agog", even without that special meaning for Welsh people ... ;-)

[I for one wouldn't have guessed, even if I had stared at it catatonically
all day.]

Cheers,

Clive
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I thought it was just egg nog from another country. ;-)

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