no input possible

F

Friedrich Vosberg

Morning.

What the hell is this? In the printer dialogue window I can not change
the numbers in the fields for print pages from ... to ... Restarting
Word did not eliminate this missbehaviour.

What can I do?

TIA and kind regards. Friedrich
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Restart the computer :)

The dialog you are looking at is an OS X dialog, not a Word dialog. Word
simply calls the OS X printing subsystem, it does not produce its own
printing dialogs.

Cheers


Morning.

What the hell is this? In the printer dialogue window I can not change
the numbers in the fields for print pages from ... to ... Restarting
Word did not eliminate this missbehaviour.

What can I do?

TIA and kind regards. Friedrich

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Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
F

Friedrich Vosberg

John McGhie said:
The dialog you are looking at is an OS X dialog, not a Word dialog. Word
simply calls the OS X printing subsystem, it does not produce its own
printing dialogs.

Sorry, but I can't believe in what you're saying, because I found this
missbehaviour on some different Macs but never in other applications
than Word.

Kind regards. Friedrich
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

You don't have to believe me -- I don't care one way or the other what you
believe :)

However, Microsoft Office does not contain any "Printing" code, or any "File
Handling" code. It's all done by simple calls to OS X.

Cheers

Sorry, but I can't believe in what you're saying, because I found this
missbehaviour on some different Macs but never in other applications
than Word.

Kind regards. Friedrich

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D

dfritzin

John said:
You don't have to believe me -- I don't care one way or the other what you
believe :)

However, Microsoft Office does not contain any "Printing" code, or any "File
Handling" code. It's all done by simple calls to OS X.

Just wondering if this is completely true. I'm only making this comment
because print-dialog boxes do differ among applications. For example,
in Word and Excel, you get a small page preview, as well as the option
to print just selections. In Canvas, you get the options to print
selections and/or certain layers. In Powerpoint, there are various
slide printing options available. Wouldn't these have to be handled by
some sort of interaction between the application and the OS, so the
extra features could be added?

Thanks in advance.
[snip]
 
J

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]

Sure: There's interaction between the App and the OS, lots of it. They
maintain a constant chatter of messages back and forth.

But the *nature* of that interaction is that Word calls into the OS library
and requests the dialog boxes it wants. Word feeds a bunch of parameters
out to the OS, but it's the OS that draws the dialog box, and it's the OS
that does the printing.

Both Mac OS and Windows contain extensive libraries of "Classes" (if you
like "Building blocks") that enable them to draw pretty much anything you
like on the screen.

These days, if you want to be considered a good Mac or Windows citizen, you
code your application to call the operating system. Loading your user's
system up with megabytes of your own code to do things the OS could do for
you is not only extremely expensive (all that development and testing
time...) but it's the height of bad manners :) It also makes for a nasty
maintenance rod for your back: every time Apple changes anything in the OS,
your application would fall in a heap! So they just don't do it!

Microsoft Office products behave exactly the same as Apple products in this
respect: they send calls to the operating system. By flipping a couple of
parameters in those calls, a given dialog box can look dramatically
different between one application and the next. It can have different tabs,
or even different sheets. But it's the same call, to the same OS routine,
that's generating it.

Generally, the Apple applications these days are using a later version of
these controls, so they can take advantage of some enhanced features that
were not available when MS Office was designed. I'm sure those will appear
in the next version of the Microsoft products.

But there's no way the Microsoft programmers are going to sit down and
re-invent a wheel that Apple already has rolling along the road.

Now, please people, can we just lay this topic to rest? Microsoft Office
does not handle its own printing or its own file I/O on the Mac (OR the
PC!!) any more than it handles its own user authentication or its own
network transmission. These are tasks we buy an operating system to do :)

Cheers

You don't have to believe me -- I don't care one way or the other what you
believe :)

However, Microsoft Office does not contain any "Printing" code, or any "File
Handling" code. It's all done by simple calls to OS X.

Just wondering if this is completely true. I'm only making this comment
because print-dialog boxes do differ among applications. For example,
in Word and Excel, you get a small page preview, as well as the option
to print just selections. In Canvas, you get the options to print
selections and/or certain layers. In Powerpoint, there are various
slide printing options available. Wouldn't these have to be handled by
some sort of interaction between the application and the OS, so the
extra features could be added?

Thanks in advance.
[snip]

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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
 
D

dfritzin

John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
[snip of excellent reply]

OK, thanks. I appreciate the reply, and I now know a lot more than I
did before.
 
P

Phillip M. Jones, CE.T.

IF that be the case, can you explain why his problem "only" show up with
Word. Whether the info is coming from The OS or not, what's triggering
the behavior to only show up in Word?
You don't have to believe me -- I don't care one way or the other what you
believe :)

However, Microsoft Office does not contain any "Printing" code, or any "File
Handling" code. It's all done by simple calls to OS X.

Cheers


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Friedrich Vosberg

Addendum:

Somebody suffering from the same misbehaviour of Words printing dialogue
told me IIRC that inputs into the page from ... to ... fields would be
possible if the numbers were typed on the numbers part of the keyboard.

I can not verify this, because I own a Powerbook and possess no separate
number keys.

But may be this hint helps to find the bug.

Kind regards. Friedrich
 

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