No Office Toolbar in 2003??!!

[Joe Sabatini]

Not including the Office Toolbar in 2003 was a completely retarded move on
the part of Microsoft. They claim that you can recreate the functionality
with Windows XP toolbars, but that is a complete and utter lie. You CANNOT
have a toolbar that auto-fits in the title bar area. I don't want to clutter
ANY side of my screen view with a toolbar. Microsoft is obviously playing
greedy, asinine marketing games here. I'm sure they will include the
functionality I like in the next release of Office and claim that it's some
great new feature. Dumbasses.

 

[Chris Schatte]

Joe Sabatini
Refer to the post above Office toolbar dated 2/20 or another "Does Office 2003 have a toolbar?" dated 2/18 by Bob Buckland for a comprehensive list of alternatives.

 

[Chris Schatte]

Joe Sabatini
Refer to the post dated 2/20 Office toolbar or to a post dated 2/18 "Does Office 2003 have a toolbar" for a comprhensive list on alternatives from Bob Buckland.

 

[Joe Sabatini]

Thanks. But I'd love to know what possessed Microsoft to remove such a
useful feature. I don't think they consulted their customers AT ALL on that
one. This change is extremely stupid and ignorant.

Joe Sabatini,
Refer to the post above Office toolbar dated 2/20 or another "Does Office

2003 have a toolbar?" dated 2/18 by Bob Buckland for a comprehensive list of
alternatives.

 

[Chris Schatte]

Joe Sabatini
The new version of Office and Office Online (web site) provides users with the option of customer feedback. On every use when you have the opportunity to provide this, suggest that you do. This group and the feedback through the afore mentioned options is your opportunity to send requests to Microsoft concerning the products you purchase and use.

 

[Guest]

I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because it's a 16 bit
app and they did not want to spend the precious few hours it would take to
update the code to 32 bit.

I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.

Nospam

Joe Sabatini,
The new version of Office and Office Online (web site) provides users

with the option of customer feedback. On every use when you have the
opportunity to provide this, suggest that you do. This group and the
feedback through the afore mentioned options is your opportunity to send
requests to Microsoft concerning the products you purchase and use.

 

[Cerridwen]

Thanks. But I'd love to know what possessed Microsoft to remove such a
useful feature. I don't think they consulted their customers AT ALL
on that one. This change is extremely stupid and ignorant.

If you want to see something "stupid and ignorant", I suggest you go stand
in front of the nearest mirror.

 

[Cerridwen]

I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because it's a
16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious few hours it
would take to update the code to 32 bit.

I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.

Nospam

HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office has always
been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit OSes.

 

[Guest]

Cerridwen,

The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application, unlike all
the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit. That's why it has
trouble with the new 32 bit icons.

Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the Windows Start
menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those icons to the identical
icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS
while the Shortcut Bar is itself a 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was
truly a 32 bit app then the icons would look identical.

Nospam

 

[Eric Lawrence [MSFT]]

I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)

The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.

However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did not
support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the instruction set; it
simple refers to how many bytes are used to describe each color in an
image).

Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of support
for high color images.

--
Thanks,

Eric Lawrence
Program Manager
Assistance and Worldwide Services

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Cerridwen]

I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)

The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.

However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
describe each color in an image).

Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
support for high color images.

Thank you, Eric! Good to find I *do* know what I'm talking about!

 

[Guest]

Eric,

Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was onto
something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical answer that the
toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY it was discontinued in
Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that? Because for Office 2003 32 bit
icons were developed compared to previous versions of Office and Microsoft
simply did not want to develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit
images? I have not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.

Thanks,

Nospam

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

I think the answer you have already gotten (toolbars included in the
supported OS versions) is about the only answer you will get.

Otherwise, the answer is, it is Microsoft's program and they decided to drop
it after customer interviews.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam asked:

| Eric,
|
| Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was
| onto something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical
| answer that the toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY
| it was discontinued in Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?
| Because for Office 2003 32 bit icons were developed compared to
| previous versions of Office and Microsoft simply did not want to
| develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit images? I have
| not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Nospam
|
| || I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)
||
|| The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
|| application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.
||
|| However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
|| not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
|| instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
|| describe each color in an image).
||
|| Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
|| support for high color images.
||
|| --
|| Thanks,
||
|| Eric Lawrence
|| Program Manager
|| Assistance and Worldwide Services
||
|| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
|| rights.
||
||
|| ||| Cerridwen,
|||
||| The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application,
||| unlike all the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit.
||| That's why it has trouble with the new 32 bit icons.
|||
||| Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the
||| Windows Start menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those
||| icons to the identical icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu
||| is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS while the Shortcut Bar is itself a
||| 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was truly a 32 bit app then the
||| icons would look identical.
|||
||| Nospam
|||
||| |||| Nospam wrote:
||||| I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because
||||| it's a 16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious few
||||| hours it would take to update the code to 32 bit.
|||||
||||| I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.
|||||
||||| Nospam
||||
|||| HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office
|||| has always been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit OSes.

 

[Guest]

Milly,

They didn't talk to me nor to thousands of others upset over this issue
There are multiple postings on this group, inother MS groups and all
over the net about this.

There is currently NO private app or Microsoft OS that provides the same
functionality that the office toolbar provided.

As a work-around I am using the toolbar from Office XP but again, 32-bit
icons (like Office 2003 icons) look quite crappy in it.

Thanks,

Nospam

I think the answer you have already gotten (toolbars included in the
supported OS versions) is about the only answer you will get.

Otherwise, the answer is, it is Microsoft's program and they decided to drop
it after customer interviews.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam asked:

| Eric,
|
| Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was
| onto something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical
| answer that the toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY
| it was discontinued in Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?
| Because for Office 2003 32 bit icons were developed compared to
| previous versions of Office and Microsoft simply did not want to
| develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit images? I have
| not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Nospam
|
| || I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)
||
|| The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
|| application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.
||
|| However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
|| not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
|| instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
|| describe each color in an image).
||
|| Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
|| support for high color images.
||
|| --
|| Thanks,
||
|| Eric Lawrence
|| Program Manager
|| Assistance and Worldwide Services
||
|| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
|| rights.
||
||
|| ||| Cerridwen,
|||
||| The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application,
||| unlike all the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit.
||| That's why it has trouble with the new 32 bit icons.
|||
||| Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the
||| Windows Start menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those
||| icons to the identical icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu
||| is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS while the Shortcut Bar is itself a
||| 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was truly a 32 bit app then the
||| icons would look identical.
|||
||| Nospam
|||
||| |||| Nospam wrote:
||||| I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because
||||| it's a 16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious few
||||| hours it would take to update the code to 32 bit.
|||||
||||| I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.
|||||
||||| Nospam
||||
|||| HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office
|||| has always been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit OSes.

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Microsoft does not interview EVERY customer - it interviews the ones that
matter most - the large corporate installations, and others of similar
importance.

I have never been interviewed except as a part of my MVP status, nor do I
expect it.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam asked:

| Milly,
|
| They didn't talk to me nor to thousands of others upset over this
| issue There are multiple postings on this group, inother MS
| groups and all over the net about this.
|
| There is currently NO private app or Microsoft OS that provides the
| same functionality that the office toolbar provided.
|
| As a work-around I am using the toolbar from Office XP but again,
| 32-bit icons (like Office 2003 icons) look quite crappy in it.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Nospam
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| || I think the answer you have already gotten (toolbars included in the
|| supported OS versions) is about the only answer you will get.
||
|| Otherwise, the answer is, it is Microsoft's program and they decided
|| to drop it after customer interviews.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam
|| asked:
||
||| Eric,
|||
||| Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was
||| onto something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical
||| answer that the toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY
||| it was discontinued in Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?
||| Because for Office 2003 32 bit icons were developed compared to
||| previous versions of Office and Microsoft simply did not want to
||| develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit images? I have
||| not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.
|||
||| Thanks,
|||
||| Nospam
|||
||| |||| I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)
||||
|||| The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32
|||| bit application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.
||||
|||| However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
|||| not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
|||| instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
|||| describe each color in an image).
||||
|||| Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
|||| support for high color images.
||||
|||| --
|||| Thanks,
||||
|||| Eric Lawrence
|||| Program Manager
|||| Assistance and Worldwide Services
||||
|||| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
|||| rights.
||||
||||
|||| ||||| Cerridwen,
|||||
||||| The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application,
||||| unlike all the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit.
||||| That's why it has trouble with the new 32 bit icons.
|||||
||||| Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the
||||| Windows Start menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those
||||| icons to the identical icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu
||||| is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS while the Shortcut Bar is itself
||||| a 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was truly a 32 bit app then the
||||| icons would look identical.
|||||
||||| Nospam
|||||
||||| |||||| Nospam wrote:
||||||| I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because
||||||| it's a 16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious
||||||| few hours it would take to update the code to 32 bit.
|||||||
||||||| I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude
||||||| it.
|||||||
||||||| Nospam
||||||
|||||| HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office
|||||| has always been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit
|||||| OSes.

 

[Paul Ballou]

Try this program it works just like the office SCB except it is added to the
Right Click Menu
http://www.pitrinec.com/pmeindex.htm
Perfect menu adds functionality to Right Click Menu's. You can
create replacement menus or add on menus to add additional commands to Right
Click Menus. You can add application shortcuts. It can be used to create key
sequence commands to save files to a default location.


--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/clipart/default.aspx
http://office.microsoft.com/templates
http://office.microsoft.com/home

Control the things you can and Don't Worry about the things you can't
control.

Milly,

They didn't talk to me nor to thousands of others upset over this issue
There are multiple postings on this group, inother MS groups and all
over the net about this.

There is currently NO private app or Microsoft OS that provides the same
functionality that the office toolbar provided.

As a work-around I am using the toolbar from Office XP but again, 32-bit
icons (like Office 2003 icons) look quite crappy in it.

Thanks,

Nospam

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"

wrote in message news:%23bhfKkY%[email protected]...

I think the answer you have already gotten (toolbars included in the
supported OS versions) is about the only answer you will get.

Otherwise, the answer is, it is Microsoft's program and they decided to drop
it after customer interviews.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam asked:

| Eric,
|
| Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was
| onto something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical
| answer that the toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY
| it was discontinued in Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?
| Because for Office 2003 32 bit icons were developed compared to
| previous versions of Office and Microsoft simply did not want to
| develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit images? I have
| not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Nospam
|
| || I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)
||
|| The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
|| application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.
||
|| However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
|| not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
|| instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
|| describe each color in an image).
||
|| Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
|| support for high color images.
||
|| --
|| Thanks,
||
|| Eric Lawrence
|| Program Manager
|| Assistance and Worldwide Services
||
|| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
|| rights.
||
||
|| ||| Cerridwen,
|||
||| The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application,
||| unlike all the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit.
||| That's why it has trouble with the new 32 bit icons.
|||
||| Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the
||| Windows Start menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those
||| icons to the identical icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu
||| is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS while the Shortcut Bar is itself a
||| 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was truly a 32 bit app then the
||| icons would look identical.
|||
||| Nospam
|||
||| |||| Nospam wrote:
||||| I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because
||||| it's a 16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious few
||||| hours it would take to update the code to 32 bit.
|||||
||||| I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.
|||||
||||| Nospam
||||
|||| HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office
|||| has always been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit OSes.

 

[Eric Lawrence [MSFT]]

toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY it was discontinued
in

Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?

As I stated, no, this had absolutely nothing to do with it.

--
Thanks,

Eric Lawrence
Program Manager
Assistance and Worldwide Services

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

 

[Beth Melton]

We've seen a lot of posts on 'we want the toolbar back' but so far I
haven't found a thread which discusses the difference between using
the OSB and a Windows toolbar.

You can create new toolbars that can be docked/floating, they can be
set to Auto Hide, etc. What functionality did the OSB have that a
Windows toolbar doesn't have?

--
Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Microsoft Office MVP

Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word
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MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

Milly,

They didn't talk to me nor to thousands of others upset over this issue
There are multiple postings on this group, inother MS groups and all
over the net about this.

There is currently NO private app or Microsoft OS that provides the same
functionality that the office toolbar provided.

As a work-around I am using the toolbar from Office XP but again, 32-bit
icons (like Office 2003 icons) look quite crappy in it.

Thanks,

Nospam

"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"

wrote in message news:%23bhfKkY%[email protected]...

I think the answer you have already gotten (toolbars included in the
supported OS versions) is about the only answer you will get.

Otherwise, the answer is, it is Microsoft's program and they

decided to
drop

it after customer interviews.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Nospam asked:

| Eric,
|
| Thank you for the info. OK the app is 32 bit but nevertheless I was
| onto something about 32 bit and Eirc provided the more technical
| answer that the toolbar does not support 32-bit images. Is that WHY
| it was discontinued in Office 2003, over a stupid issue like that?
| Because for Office 2003 32 bit icons were developed compared to
| previous versions of Office and Microsoft simply did not want to
| develop the toolar to adequately accomodate 32 bit images? I have
| not seen one post explaining the WHY it was discontinued.
|
| Thanks,
|
| Nospam
|
| || I think you're mixing up your bits. ;-)
||
|| The Office toolbar is a 32 bit application. The terminology "32 bit
|| application") refers to the instruction set that the code uses.
||
|| However, you are likely correct in noting that this application did
|| not support 32bit images (which has nothing to do with the
|| instruction set; it simple refers to how many bytes are used to
|| describe each color in an image).
||
|| Cutting this toolbar had absolutely nothing to do with its lack of
|| support for high color images.
||
|| --
|| Thanks,
||
|| Eric Lawrence
|| Program Manager
|| Assistance and Worldwide Services
||
|| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
|| rights.
||
||
|| ||| Cerridwen,
|||
||| The Toolbar Portion of the app itself is a 16 bit application,
||| unlike all the apps within Office, which of course are 32 bit.
||| That's why it has trouble with the new 32 bit icons.
|||
||| Proof: Look at an Office 2003 icon (such as Outlook) in the
||| Windows Start menu. Compare the color depth and clarity of those
||| icons to the identical icons in the Shortcut Bar. The Start Menu
||| is part of the 32 (or 64) bit OS while the Shortcut Bar is itself a
||| 16 bit app. If the Shortcut Bar was truly a 32 bit app then the
||| icons would look identical.
|||
||| Nospam
|||
||| |||| Nospam wrote:
||||| I know why Microsoft did not include the toolbar, it's because
||||| it's a 16 bit app and they did not want to spend the precious few
||||| hours it would take to update the code to 32 bit.
|||||
||||| I agree with Joe, Microsoft made a stupid decision to exclude it.
|||||
||||| Nospam
||||
|||| HUH?! You don't have a clue what you're on about, do you?! Office
|||| has always been 32-bit, for as long as there have been 32-bit OSes.

 

[John Ski]

Subject: Re: No Office Toolbar in 2003??!!

From: "Beth Melton" (e-mail address removed)
Date: 2/23/2004 9:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <#0xKlGo#[email protected]>

We've seen a lot of posts on 'we want the toolbar back' but so far I
haven't found a thread which discusses the difference between using
the OSB and a Windows toolbar.

You can create new toolbars that can be docked/floating, they can be
set to Auto Hide, etc. What functionality did the OSB have that a
Windows toolbar doesn't have?

I believe I saw a thread where a poster said that his main complaint was that
you can't make a toolbar fit neatly in the title bar of a window so that it's
always visible AND out of the way. I'm looking at my little OSB with the Office
icons and several icons for often used apps up there right now and at the brand
new Office 2003 box on the floor next to my desk and pondering...with apologies
to the Bard...to load or not to load, that is the question.

HTH,
John


"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
***Arthur C. Clarke***

 

[Beth Melton]

That's a good one.

Any others?

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Microsoft Office MVP

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