Notebook layout

[Cram.soil]

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

The section tabs seem to have a life of their own. They sometimes seem to jump locations, and I often get duplicate tab numbers, one set back of the other.

 

[CyberTaz]

Since the web interface doesn't expressly prompt you for it nor have you
voluntarily included it we'll have to start with the fundamentals:

Is Office fully updated? What level are you at (12.x.x)?

Is OS X fully updated? What level (10.x.x)?

Have you repaired disk permissions recently?

In addition to those pieces of information you also need to specify:

Is this happening in all documents or just one in particular?

What do you mean by "jump locations"? I'm sure that's clear to you because
you're witnessing it -- we're not. Are you renaming the tabs? Are the tab
numbers actually appearing more than once or are you seeing the same number
used again after the tab originally bearing that number has been renamed?

Have you been switching between Notebook Layout & other views? Have you been
rearranging the sections of the document?

In short, we need a much more complete, accurate & detailed description of
the circumstances in order to have a clearer idea of the situation. Anything
else you can offer might also be useful.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[patrick lafferty]

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

 

[John McGhie]

I can't give you any "Help".

I can simply say that Notebook Layout View is very fragile.

If you use it, avoid "editing" a notebook document. Create one in a single
session. Save very frequently. When you're done, don't re-open it to add
anything to it, just to read it.

If you edit them, they usually start crashing and hanging soon after.

Never copy a notebook document to create a new one: always start fresh by
creating a new one.

If you observe those precautions, they will die less often. But basically I
would say "don't use notebook view" because it does crash.

Cheers

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:[email protected]

 

[CyberTaz]

Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so. The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

I am going to ask a stupid question, just because I am that way.

Say someone takes notes using NBL.
Can They next time they open it change its layout to a regular page
layout? (Without crashing and burning)

Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so. The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

 

[patrick lafferty]

Thank you for the insight into the limitations of NBL. I'll be far more
judicious in my use of it.

I think I was drawn to its ostensible capacity to segment sections of a
work, which I could then move around without difficulty.

I see that my expectations do not fall in line with what MS intended.

I can only hope they will improve the stability of NBL.

Anyway, thanks for sobering me up on its nature.

patrick

Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so. The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

 

[CyberTaz]

Well, Phillip, yes you can. And as long as you save it that way & *leave* it
that way there will most likely be no problem [attributable to having done
so]. Furthermore, however, you can switch from NBL to any other view at any
time. You can also switch from any other view to NBL at any time...

That's what the freakin' problem is!!!

The underlying structure of NBs [as well as Pubs in 2008] is radically
different from that of regular document files... That's why the separate
"views" were provided & that's why the available feature sets are
different... Far more restricted in NB & Pub for very good reason. However,
users have always been able to freely switch from Normal/Draft to Outline to
Page/Print Layout without incident. Because NB & Pub were implemented as
*Views* it gives the impression that it's OK to do the same with them. But
regardless of whether or not the developers say you *should* be able to do
so without incident the fact is you can't.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I am going to ask a stupid question, just because I am that way.

Say someone takes notes using NBL.
Can They next time they open it change its layout to a regular page
layout? (Without crashing and burning)

Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so. The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

:

Since the web interface doesn't expressly prompt you for it nor have you
voluntarily included it we'll have to start with the fundamentals:

Is Office fully updated? What level are you at (12.x.x)?

Is OS X fully updated? What level (10.x.x)?

Have you repaired disk permissions recently?

In addition to those pieces of information you also need to specify:

Is this happening in all documents or just one in particular?

What do you mean by "jump locations"? I'm sure that's clear to you because
you're witnessing it -- we're not. Are you renaming the tabs? Are the tab
numbers actually appearing more than once or are you seeing the same number
used again after the tab originally bearing that number has been renamed?

Have you been switching between Notebook Layout & other views? Have you
been
rearranging the sections of the document?

In short, we need a much more complete, accurate & detailed description of
the circumstances in order to have a clearer idea of the situation.
Anything
else you can offer might also be useful.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 5/12/09 8:03 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)9absDaxw,

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

The section tabs seem to have a life of their own. They sometimes seem to
jump
locations, and I often get duplicate tab numbers, one set back of the
other.

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Thanks for answering a question from a Dummy. So as long as once
switched then saved in that view the all the bumps and bruises won't
occur. That's good for everyone to know.

Well, Phillip, yes you can. And as long as you save it that way & *leave* it
that way there will most likely be no problem [attributable to having done
so]. Furthermore, however, you can switch from NBL to any other view at any
time. You can also switch from any other view to NBL at any time...

That's what the freakin' problem is!!!

The underlying structure of NBs [as well as Pubs in 2008] is radically
different from that of regular document files... That's why the separate
"views" were provided & that's why the available feature sets are
different... Far more restricted in NB & Pub for very good reason. However,
users have always been able to freely switch from Normal/Draft to Outline to
Page/Print Layout without incident. Because NB & Pub were implemented as
*Views* it gives the impression that it's OK to do the same with them. But
regardless of whether or not the developers say you *should* be able to do
so without incident the fact is you can't.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I am going to ask a stupid question, just because I am that way.

Say someone takes notes using NBL.
Can They next time they open it change its layout to a regular page
layout? (Without crashing and burning)

Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so. The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/24/09 10:06 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "patrick lafferty"

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still, while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

:

Since the web interface doesn't expressly prompt you for it nor have you
voluntarily included it we'll have to start with the fundamentals:

Is Office fully updated? What level are you at (12.x.x)?

Is OS X fully updated? What level (10.x.x)?

Have you repaired disk permissions recently?

In addition to those pieces of information you also need to specify:

Is this happening in all documents or just one in particular?

What do you mean by "jump locations"? I'm sure that's clear to you because
you're witnessing it -- we're not. Are you renaming the tabs? Are the tab
numbers actually appearing more than once or are you seeing the same number
used again after the tab originally bearing that number has been renamed?

Have you been switching between Notebook Layout & other views? Have you
been
rearranging the sections of the document?

In short, we need a much more complete, accurate & detailed description of
the circumstances in order to have a clearer idea of the situation.
Anything
else you can offer might also be useful.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 5/12/09 8:03 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)9absDaxw,

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

The section tabs seem to have a life of their own. They sometimes seem to
jump
locations, and I often get duplicate tab numbers, one set back of the
other.

 

[CyberTaz]

Please note I didn't say "won't" You ought to know me well enough after
all this time to recognize that I *rarely* deal in absolutes ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Thanks for answering a question from a Dummy. So as long as once
switched then saved in that view the all the bumps and bruises won't
occur. That's good for everyone to know.

Well, Phillip, yes you can. And as long as you save it that way & *leave* it
that way there will most likely be no problem [attributable to having done
so]. Furthermore, however, you can switch from NBL to any other view at any
time. You can also switch from any other view to NBL at any time...

That's what the freakin' problem is!!!

The underlying structure of NBs [as well as Pubs in 2008] is radically
different from that of regular document files... That's why the separate
"views" were provided & that's why the available feature sets are
different... Far more restricted in NB & Pub for very good reason. However,
users have always been able to freely switch from Normal/Draft to Outline to
Page/Print Layout without incident. Because NB & Pub were implemented as
*Views* it gives the impression that it's OK to do the same with them. But
regardless of whether or not the developers say you *should* be able to do
so without incident the fact is you can't.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

I am going to ask a stupid question, just because I am that way.

Say someone takes notes using NBL.
Can They next time they open it change its layout to a regular page
layout? (Without crashing and burning)

CyberTaz wrote:
Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL
is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so.
The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/24/09 10:06 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "patrick lafferty"

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging
and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still,
while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes
not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

:

Since the web interface doesn't expressly prompt you for it nor have you
voluntarily included it we'll have to start with the fundamentals:

Is Office fully updated? What level are you at (12.x.x)?

Is OS X fully updated? What level (10.x.x)?

Have you repaired disk permissions recently?

In addition to those pieces of information you also need to specify:

Is this happening in all documents or just one in particular?

What do you mean by "jump locations"? I'm sure that's clear to you
because
you're witnessing it -- we're not. Are you renaming the tabs? Are the tab
numbers actually appearing more than once or are you seeing the same
number
used again after the tab originally bearing that number has been renamed?

Have you been switching between Notebook Layout & other views? Have you
been
rearranging the sections of the document?

In short, we need a much more complete, accurate & detailed description
of
the circumstances in order to have a clearer idea of the situation.
Anything
else you can offer might also be useful.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 5/12/09 8:03 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)9absDaxw,

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

The section tabs seem to have a life of their own. They sometimes seem
to
jump
locations, and I often get duplicate tab numbers, one set back of the
other.

 

[Phillip Jones, C.E.T.]

Well almost won't then

Please note I didn't say "won't" You ought to know me well enough after
all this time to recognize that I *rarely* deal in absolutes ;-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Thanks for answering a question from a Dummy. So as long as once
switched then saved in that view the all the bumps and bruises won't
occur. That's good for everyone to know.

Well, Phillip, yes you can. And as long as you save it that way & *leave* it
that way there will most likely be no problem [attributable to having done
so]. Furthermore, however, you can switch from NBL to any other view at any
time. You can also switch from any other view to NBL at any time...

That's what the freakin' problem is!!!

The underlying structure of NBs [as well as Pubs in 2008] is radically
different from that of regular document files... That's why the separate
"views" were provided & that's why the available feature sets are
different... Far more restricted in NB & Pub for very good reason. However,
users have always been able to freely switch from Normal/Draft to Outline to
Page/Print Layout without incident. Because NB & Pub were implemented as
*Views* it gives the impression that it's OK to do the same with them. But
regardless of whether or not the developers say you *should* be able to do
so without incident the fact is you can't.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/25/09 8:59 AM, in article ulje#[email protected],

I am going to ask a stupid question, just because I am that way.

Say someone takes notes using NBL.
Can They next time they open it change its layout to a regular page
layout? (Without crashing and burning)

CyberTaz wrote:
Although I haven't used it extensively my exposure to NBL has been a bit
less grim than what John describes As long as you don't go overboard I
haven't found the stability to be a problem. If you hack & chop & re-hack &
re-chop you will most definitely encounter the circumstance he depicts.

Where most people go wrong [IMHO] is that they fail to realize the
fundamental purpose of taking *notes*, which is the purpose for which NBL
is
designed & intended. Instead they expect to use it for hammering out &
finalizing some sort of magnum opus. That usually leads to the most
significant step in the downfall of the document...

Not finding in NBL all the features they want to use they switch to
Page/Print Layout or some other view. They then employ the features which
were never intended to be used in NB documents [the reason, perhaps, why
they're not available there?], but then switch back to NBL & expect to go
their merry way, repeating the switchback whenever they choose to do so.
The
process is bound to corrupt the document which then causes Word to crash...
If the document can be opened at all.

Use NBL to *take notes*, and as John suggests create a new file for each
note-taking session. Revise the note content if necessary by editing the
text or adding to it without getting involved with formatting of the
notes... Use only the default formatting for Bullets & numbering as well as
most everything else. Keep the file in NBL at all times, and if you do need
to generate a document based on the notes make a copy of the file, switch
that copy to another view & *don't* switch it back to NBL - EVER.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 7/24/09 10:06 PM, in article
(e-mail address removed), "patrick lafferty"

i'm consistenty having problems in notebook layout: the file is hanging
and
Word is crashing.

I've even tried copying and pasting the text into a new file....still,
while
in notebook layout view sometimes, Word for Mac is crashing....sometimes
not
even providing an autosave version of what had just hung up

sometimes, when the file is recovered, all the tab names and colors have
been lost.

any ideas?

I've installed the newest update a couple days ago

this problem persists

thanks for any help you might have!

:

Since the web interface doesn't expressly prompt you for it nor have you
voluntarily included it we'll have to start with the fundamentals:

Is Office fully updated? What level are you at (12.x.x)?

Is OS X fully updated? What level (10.x.x)?

Have you repaired disk permissions recently?

In addition to those pieces of information you also need to specify:

Is this happening in all documents or just one in particular?

What do you mean by "jump locations"? I'm sure that's clear to you
because
you're witnessing it -- we're not. Are you renaming the tabs? Are the tab
numbers actually appearing more than once or are you seeing the same
number
used again after the tab originally bearing that number has been renamed?

Have you been switching between Notebook Layout & other views? Have you
been
rearranging the sections of the document?

In short, we need a much more complete, accurate & detailed description
of
the circumstances in order to have a clearer idea of the situation.
Anything
else you can offer might also be useful.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 5/12/09 8:03 AM, in article (e-mail address removed)9absDaxw,

Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

The section tabs seem to have a life of their own. They sometimes seem
to
jump
locations, and I often get duplicate tab numbers, one set back of the
other.

 

[John McGhie]

More like "Is less likely to..."

Well almost won't then

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

--

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
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