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Paul Lemonidis

Hi All

A word of caution. Install Office 2003 at your peril. It
creates no shortcuts whatsover, Outlook will not connect
to any Exchange servers and best of all the Business
Contact Manger will only install after Outlook is
installed. This is even though they are on the same
standalone CD! There is no option to install Outlook first
from the stand alone CD first thus making the CD totally
useless!! Best of all the default view when you first open
up Outlook 2003 is in my opinion a complete mess. They
have effectively downgraded Outlook to make Outlook 2003
and OWA against a Exchange 2003 server look the same and
it isn't neat by any means in my opinion.

Sorry guys but I am not impressed!

Regards,

Paul Lemonidis.
 
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John

Paul said:
Hi All

A word of caution. Install Office 2003 at your peril. It
creates no shortcuts whatsover, Outlook will not connect
to any Exchange servers and best of all the Business
Contact Manger will only install after Outlook is
installed. This is even though they are on the same
standalone CD! There is no option to install Outlook first
from the stand alone CD first thus making the CD totally
useless!! Best of all the default view when you first open
up Outlook 2003 is in my opinion a complete mess. They
have effectively downgraded Outlook to make Outlook 2003
and OWA against a Exchange 2003 server look the same and
it isn't neat by any means in my opinion.

Sorry guys but I am not impressed!

Regards,

Paul Lemonidis.



Not only that but they have removed the Office Toolbar - a favorite of many
many Office users. Clearly Microsoft DOES NO market research. No telling
what other features have been removed from the Office 2003 downgrade.
 
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Paul Lemonidis

Hi Milly

Thankyou for your reply. I am afraid that is wasn't me
that made comments about testing.

I agree with you about Business Contact Manager being an
add-in. I do find it rather strange though that the CD is
labelled "Outlook 2003 with Business Contact Manager" and
the first thing the setup program does is try to install
the add-in with no option for Outlook installation and
then totally refuses to proceed. I would have thought
common sense would dictate that if a product is labelled
Outlook 2003 that you would at least have the option to
install it!? If I have misunderstood the contents of the
CD then perhaps the title should be changed as I did
genuinely expect Outlook 2003 to be on there given its
title. Perhaps I am mistaken about the content?

Having installed the whole Office suite I tried to get
Outlook to connect to one Exchange 2000 server and another
Exchange 2003 server. On both occasions as soon as I tried
validating the username and server name during the profile
creation process it generated an error about being unable
to connect due to network problems. I hasten to add that
the same info. worked fine with Outlook XP previously. OWA
access to both servers worked fine and I could map drives
to the servers as well as run Terminal Server Sessions at
the very same time after temporarily quitting the profile
creation wizard. Thus the problem appears to clearly be
with Outlook. Reverting back to Outlook XP reverted back
to normality other than having to recreate my OST file.

I did wonder if perhaps I had made an error when I
activated the product but when I tried activating again
from within Outlook it reported it was already activated.

I do appreciate that this is a beta test and so some
errors are to be expected but I would expect basic
functionality.

Regards,

Paul Lemonidis.
-----Original Message-----
This is a beta product so problems are to be expected.

However, you are incorrect that Microsoft does no testing with its
customers. It conducts extensive usability tests on every product. If the
majority of users use the product in a manner that is counter-intuitive to
you, this does not make the product change a downgrade if it does not suit
how you work with Office.

Outlook connects fine to my Exchange 2000 server and to a friend's Exchange
2003 server (same Outlook 2003 on a laptop that I take with me when I visit
him.) What problems are you having?

Also, the Business Contact Manager is an add-in to Outlook, which is why
Outlook must be installed first. Kind of hard to use an add-in to a product
which is not installed. The installation issue may be fixed in the final
product.

As for Outlook Web Access, the change in Exchange 2003 was made specifically
to make the client and OWA indistinguishable. It allows more people to
access an Exchange mailbox without having to have Outlook installed since it
is a web view.

As for the Reading Pane and Navigation Pane, I guess different strokes, etc.
I personally find the product vastly improved over prior versions of Outlook
and can quickly read most mail (as it mostly all fits in the Reading Pane)
without having to scroll. There are many other features (search folders
among them) that increase Outlook's value to many testers and public beta
users.

Sorry that you do not find any value in this version. There will always be
others and perhaps you will find value in a future version. What you see
now in the beta version may not be what shows in the final released version.
However, value is always in the eye of the user.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.


Having searched the archives and finding no answer, Paul Lemonidis
<[email protected]> asked:
| Hi All
|
| A word of caution. Install Office 2003 at your peril. It
| creates no shortcuts whatsover, Outlook will not connect
| to any Exchange servers and best of all the Business
| Contact Manger will only install after Outlook is
| installed. This is even though they are on the same
| standalone CD! There is no option to install Outlook first
| from the stand alone CD first thus making the CD totally
| useless!! Best of all the default view when you first open
| up Outlook 2003 is in my opinion a complete mess. They
| have effectively downgraded Outlook to make Outlook 2003
| and OWA against a Exchange 2003 server look the same and
| it isn't neat by any means in my opinion.
|
| Sorry guys but I am not impressed!
|
| Regards,
|
| Paul Lemonidis.


.
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

I do have to agree about the labelling of the Outlook 2002 with Business
Contact Manager. It is actually only the add-in on the CD as Outlook is on
the Office Pro CD. Perhaps I could put a bug in Microsoft's ear to add to
the label "previous installation of Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 required."

As for the Outlook issue, I am at a loss since it works perfectly for me
under many different scenarios. I guess that is why the product is still in
beta, no?

As for the comment about testing, I reread the thread and I apologize if I
inferred that you did not believe Microsoft does customer usability testing.
My bad.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.


Having searched the archives, Paul Lemonidis <[email protected]>
asked

| Hi Milly
|
| Thankyou for your reply. I am afraid that is wasn't me
| that made comments about testing.
|
| I agree with you about Business Contact Manager being an
| add-in. I do find it rather strange though that the CD is
| labelled "Outlook 2003 with Business Contact Manager" and
| the first thing the setup program does is try to install
| the add-in with no option for Outlook installation and
| then totally refuses to proceed. I would have thought
| common sense would dictate that if a product is labelled
| Outlook 2003 that you would at least have the option to
| install it!? If I have misunderstood the contents of the
| CD then perhaps the title should be changed as I did
| genuinely expect Outlook 2003 to be on there given its
| title. Perhaps I am mistaken about the content?
|
| Having installed the whole Office suite I tried to get
| Outlook to connect to one Exchange 2000 server and another
| Exchange 2003 server. On both occasions as soon as I tried
| validating the username and server name during the profile
| creation process it generated an error about being unable
| to connect due to network problems. I hasten to add that
| the same info. worked fine with Outlook XP previously. OWA
| access to both servers worked fine and I could map drives
| to the servers as well as run Terminal Server Sessions at
| the very same time after temporarily quitting the profile
| creation wizard. Thus the problem appears to clearly be
| with Outlook. Reverting back to Outlook XP reverted back
| to normality other than having to recreate my OST file.
|
| I did wonder if perhaps I had made an error when I
| activated the product but when I tried activating again
| from within Outlook it reported it was already activated.
|
| I do appreciate that this is a beta test and so some
| errors are to be expected but I would expect basic
| functionality.
|
| Regards,
|
| Paul Lemonidis.
|
|| -----Original Message-----
|| This is a beta product so problems are to be expected.
||
|| However, you are incorrect that Microsoft does no testing with its
|| customers. It conducts extensive usability tests on every product.
|| If the majority of users use the product in a manner that is
|| counter-intuitive to you, this does not make the product change a
|| downgrade if it does not suit how you work with Office.
||
|| Outlook connects fine to my Exchange 2000 server and to a friend's
|| Exchange 2003 server (same Outlook 2003 on a laptop that I take with
|| me when I visit him.) What problems are you having?
||
|| Also, the Business Contact Manager is an add-in to Outlook, which is
|| why Outlook must be installed first. Kind of hard to use an add-in
|| to a product which is not installed. The installation issue may be
|| fixed in the final product.
||
|| As for Outlook Web Access, the change in Exchange 2003 was made
|| specifically to make the client and OWA indistinguishable. It allows
|| more people to access an Exchange mailbox without having to have
|| Outlook installed since it is a web view.
||
|| As for the Reading Pane and Navigation Pane, I guess different
|| strokes, etc. I personally find the product vastly improved over
|| prior versions of Outlook and can quickly read most mail (as it
|| mostly all fits in the Reading Pane) without having to scroll.
|| There are many other features (search folders among them) that
|| increase Outlook's value to many testers and public beta users.
||
|| Sorry that you do not find any value in this version. There will
|| always be others and perhaps you will find value in a future
|| version. What you see now in the beta version may not be what shows
|| in the final released version. However, value is always in the eye
|| of the user.
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
||
||
|| Having searched the archives and finding no answer, Paul Lemonidis
|| <[email protected]> asked:
||| Hi All
|||
||| A word of caution. Install Office 2003 at your peril. It
||| creates no shortcuts whatsover, Outlook will not connect
||| to any Exchange servers and best of all the Business
||| Contact Manger will only install after Outlook is
||| installed. This is even though they are on the same
||| standalone CD! There is no option to install Outlook first
||| from the stand alone CD first thus making the CD totally
||| useless!! Best of all the default view when you first open
||| up Outlook 2003 is in my opinion a complete mess. They
||| have effectively downgraded Outlook to make Outlook 2003
||| and OWA against a Exchange 2003 server look the same and
||| it isn't neat by any means in my opinion.
|||
||| Sorry guys but I am not impressed!
|||
||| Regards,
|||
||| Paul Lemonidis.
||
||
|| .
 

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