.At least it's consistently wrong
Ah. Missed that.
But it should be the same, and one of them is a bug. I'm just not sure
which.
Beth
Yes. You discovered a bug that repros in Word 2004 on OS 10.4.7 on either
type of CPU.
Running an software on an OS that is two versions later than the one it was
designed for often brings some "extra features", and you just found one
Microsoft has this on their list, and will attend to it in the next version
of Office. (Actually, they probably won't need to, since I suspect that
Formatting Palettes will go away in the next version.)
Cheers
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Hey John,
one additional thing:
I noticed that:
Open Word, choose notebook.
Type a word, say "test"
Then, under Format-bullets and numbering, select bullet button, then
the one next to "none."
I have noticed that you get two of the same dots before it switches to
the circles
* Test
*Test
*Test
in this example, the top two are the same bullet style, the third would
then goto the circle bullet style.
When you say next version, does this mean that it won't be addressed in
a 11.2.8, etc??
Thanks for all your help. I am new to these boards and find them very
useful.
Yes. You discovered a bug that repros in Word 2004 on OS 10.4.7 on either
type of CPU.
Running an software on an OS that is two versions later than the one it was
designed for often brings some "extra features", and you just found one
Microsoft has this on their list, and will attend to it in the next version
of Office. (Actually, they probably won't need to, since I suspect that
Formatting Palettes will go away in the next version.)
Cheers
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Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
Hi Whatever your name is...
Notebook View is a special format that is peculiar to Word Mac. The entire
document has an Outline structure and the following paragraph is expected to
have a lower level of formatting to the one above under some circumstances.
It's an hierarchical model.
As soon as you mention "Notebook View", I am not sure you have a problem:
it's designed to behave differently from a normal document.
But yes, I did mean there won't be an 11.2.8 etc. There will be no changes
to Word 2004 now, other than security fixes. Version 12 is being built now,
and that's where Microsoft will be putting its effort.
Hope this helps
Hey John,
one additional thing:
I noticed that:
Open Word, choose notebook.
Type a word, say "test"
Then, under Format-bullets and numbering, select bullet button, then
the one next to "none."
I have noticed that you get two of the same dots before it switches to
the circles
* Test
*Test
*Test
in this example, the top two are the same bullet style, the third would
then goto the circle bullet style.
When you say next version, does this mean that it won't be addressed in
a 11.2.8, etc??
Thanks for all your help. I am new to these boards and find them very
useful.
Yes. You discovered a bug that repros in Word 2004 on OS 10.4.7 on either
type of CPU.
Running an software on an OS that is two versions later than the one it was
designed for often brings some "extra features", and you just found one
Microsoft has this on their list, and will attend to it in the next version
of Office. (Actually, they probably won't need to, since I suspect that
Formatting Palettes will go away in the next version.)
Cheers
On 10/9/06 7:35 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
Hey John,
so, does this mean that what I discovered is a bug and that it is not
from an installation issue?
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Bob:
Yeah. It's fine in OS 10.3.9. Apparently fails in 10.4.7. Does anyone
know if it fails ONLY on Intel, or whether it fails on anything in Tiger?
Cheers
On 9/9/06 8:00 AM, in article C1276047.1485D%[email protected],
I went a little further John -
OS X 10.4.7, Office 11.2.6
When making the change to a clean doc using the Formatting Palette:
1- The document doesn't get dirtied
2- Saving *does not* save the change
3- Closing *does not* prompt to save changes
4- The reopened doc remains unchanged
5- The change *is* recognized as an Undoable action
Making the same changes through the Format>Bullets & Numbering dialog
*does*
dirty the doc, prompts to save & saves the change.
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 9/7/06 6:28 PM, in article C126DA44.459A2%[email protected], "John
McGhie
Hi Daiya:
I guess one of us should bug this against Tiger, then.
I measure "dirty" by "Does Command + s do anything afterwards?" In
10.3.9,
you change the bullets and the document saves: I watch the disk activity.
I couldn't get it to fail...
You want to bug it?
Cheers
On 8/9/06 12:53 AM, in article
C1258065.752A7%[email protected],
Eh, I guess I could bestir myself to test it.
In OS 10.4.7 PPC, Office 11.2.6 updates applied, that procedure does
not
dirty the document. Same results as original poster.
Clicking back into the doc doesn't change anything.
It is, however, an Undo-able change, not sure if that matters. *And,* if
I
change the bullet, type a space, undo the space, the document is still
unsaved (even though space Undo in a saved doc should return it to saved
state).
My sole judge of "dirty"/"clean"/unsaved/saved is the little black dot
in
the close button, by the way. The menu flicker on Edit seems to be
about
the same length whether the doc is dirty or clean.
Daiya
On 9/7/06 7:34 AM, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]" wrote:
Hi Daiya:
That's what I thought too... But in 10.3.9 it *does* dirty the
document.
What *I* thought it might be is the context switch too or from the
formatting palette. Recall that the Formatting Palette is a separate
sheet:
he may have to bring focus back to the Word document (by clicking in
it)
before the Save command exists.
But in 10.3.9, that's not the case. It works for me.
He did say he's fully updated? If not, there was a patch to Word 2004
that
resolved some context-switch issues with the formatting Palette.
I can't crack it...
On 7/9/06 11:27 PM, in article
C1256C65.7522C%[email protected],
The way I read kehrer1701's second post, the bullet changing is all
working
fine. The problem he sees is that changing the bullet does not
"dirty"
the
Word document--that is, when he saves immediately after, Word doesn't
see
that as a change to be saved. The little black circle does not show
up
in
the close button. Etc.
kehrer1701, I don't think this is a problem specific to your
installation.
There are certain things Word doesn't recognize as changes to a saved
document, and this seems to be one. Usually, however, once the
document
is
flagged "unsaved", those types of changes do get saved along with the
rest
of the doc.
It's a design issue--nobody here can do anything about it except use
Help
|
Send Feedback to complain to MS. Has this caused you problems in the
past,
or were you just wondering?
On 9/7/06 5:50 AM, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]"
wrote:
Yes, it certainly provides more information: enough so that now I can
definitively say that I don't know the answer!!
I hope someone else does...
When I tried the operation you just described in OS 10.3.9 and Word
2004
10.2.5, it worked as it should (I normally don't use the Formatting
Palette,
so I had to go hunt for it...)
We are having reports of some peculiarities with Tiger, and more with
MacIntels. If you have both 10.4.7 and an Intel processor, there are
various annoyances that will crop up while they work through them.
Hopefully someone else has more useful information...
On 7/9/06 1:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"
Sorry:
Mac OS 10.4.7
Office 2004 v with latest updates applied
I have a document with bullets in the form of small circles.
I click on a line that has this type of bullet. Then I goto to the
formatting palette and go into the bullets and numbering section. I
move the bullet type to another one, say the solid dot.
Whatever I have in the document in the section changes type;
however,
until I do something else, say delete and re-enter a comma, Word
does
not seem to think it is an action.
Does that provide more info??
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Technical Writer.
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
Hey John,
Darren here...(sorry, left that out before).
Maybe let me try it one more time.
In a regular word docuemnt, If you have 4 bulleted lines, each one is
indented in received a different bullet style. The first line is
usually a solid dot, next line a circle, next line a square, etc.
When I do that in notebook, again 4 lines all indented over under the
one above, the first one is a solid dot, and the second one is a solid
dot, then the next one a circle, etc.
It just seemed odd that notebook view would use to solid dots first
before it went to the next format:
* test
* test
*test
*test
In this example, the first two lines would be the same solid dot, the
third a circle, etc.
Hopefully, I have explained it better this time, OR, as you said,
perhaps this is Just normal. I am new to the whole notebook view, but
found it useful.
-Darren
Hi Whatever your name is...
Notebook View is a special format that is peculiar to Word Mac. The entire
document has an Outline structure and the following paragraph is expected to
have a lower level of formatting to the one above under some circumstances.
It's an hierarchical model.
As soon as you mention "Notebook View", I am not sure you have a problem:
it's designed to behave differently from a normal document.
But yes, I did mean there won't be an 11.2.8 etc. There will be no changes
to Word 2004 now, other than security fixes. Version 12 is being built now,
and that's where Microsoft will be putting its effort.
Hope this helps
Hey John,
one additional thing:
I noticed that:
Open Word, choose notebook.
Type a word, say "test"
Then, under Format-bullets and numbering, select bullet button, then
the one next to "none."
I have noticed that you get two of the same dots before it switches to
the circles
* Test
*Test
*Test
in this example, the top two are the same bullet style, the third would
then goto the circle bullet style.
When you say next version, does this mean that it won't be addressed in
a 11.2.8, etc??
Thanks for all your help. I am new to these boards and find them very
useful.
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Yes. You discovered a bug that repros in Word 2004 on OS 10.4.7 on either
type of CPU.
Running an software on an OS that is two versions later than the one it was
designed for often brings some "extra features", and you just found one
Microsoft has this on their list, and will attend to it in the next version
of Office. (Actually, they probably won't need to, since I suspect that
Formatting Palettes will go away in the next version.)
Cheers
On 10/9/06 7:35 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
Hey John,
so, does this mean that what I discovered is a bug and that it is not
from an installation issue?
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] wrote:
Hi Bob:
Yeah. It's fine in OS 10.3.9. Apparently fails in 10.4.7. Does anyone
know if it fails ONLY on Intel, or whether it fails on anything in Tiger?
Cheers
On 9/9/06 8:00 AM, in article
C1276047.1485D%[email protected],
I went a little further John -
OS X 10.4.7, Office 11.2.6
When making the change to a clean doc using the Formatting Palette:
1- The document doesn't get dirtied
2- Saving *does not* save the change
3- Closing *does not* prompt to save changes
4- The reopened doc remains unchanged
5- The change *is* recognized as an Undoable action
Making the same changes through the Format>Bullets & Numbering dialog
*does*
dirty the doc, prompts to save & saves the change.
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 9/7/06 6:28 PM, in article C126DA44.459A2%[email protected], "John
McGhie
Hi Daiya:
I guess one of us should bug this against Tiger, then.
I measure "dirty" by "Does Command + s do anything afterwards?" In
10.3.9,
you change the bullets and the document saves: I watch the disk
activity.
I couldn't get it to fail...
You want to bug it?
Cheers
On 8/9/06 12:53 AM, in article
C1258065.752A7%[email protected],
Eh, I guess I could bestir myself to test it.
In OS 10.4.7 PPC, Office 11.2.6 updates applied, that procedure does
not
dirty the document. Same results as original poster.
Clicking back into the doc doesn't change anything.
It is, however, an Undo-able change, not sure if that matters. *And,*
if
I
change the bullet, type a space, undo the space, the document is still
unsaved (even though space Undo in a saved doc should return it to
saved
state).
My sole judge of "dirty"/"clean"/unsaved/saved is the little black dot
in
the close button, by the way. The menu flicker on Edit seems to be
about
the same length whether the doc is dirty or clean.
Daiya
On 9/7/06 7:34 AM, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]"
wrote:
Hi Daiya:
That's what I thought too... But in 10.3.9 it *does* dirty the
document.
What *I* thought it might be is the context switch too or from the
formatting palette. Recall that the Formatting Palette is a separate
sheet:
he may have to bring focus back to the Word document (by clicking in
it)
before the Save command exists.
But in 10.3.9, that's not the case. It works for me.
He did say he's fully updated? If not, there was a patch to Word
2004
that
resolved some context-switch issues with the formatting Palette.
I can't crack it...
On 7/9/06 11:27 PM, in article
C1256C65.7522C%[email protected],
The way I read kehrer1701's second post, the bullet changing is all
working
fine. The problem he sees is that changing the bullet does not
"dirty"
the
Word document--that is, when he saves immediately after, Word
doesn't
see
that as a change to be saved. The little black circle does not show
up
in
the close button. Etc.
kehrer1701, I don't think this is a problem specific to your
installation.
There are certain things Word doesn't recognize as changes to a
saved
document, and this seems to be one. Usually, however, once the
document
is
flagged "unsaved", those types of changes do get saved along with
the
rest
of the doc.
It's a design issue--nobody here can do anything about it except use
Help
|
Send Feedback to complain to MS. Has this caused you problems in
the
past,
or were you just wondering?
On 9/7/06 5:50 AM, "John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]"
wrote:
Yes, it certainly provides more information: enough so that now I
can
definitively say that I don't know the answer!!
I hope someone else does...
When I tried the operation you just described in OS 10.3.9 and Word
2004
10.2.5, it worked as it should (I normally don't use the Formatting
Palette,
so I had to go hunt for it...)
We are having reports of some peculiarities with Tiger, and more
with
MacIntels. If you have both 10.4.7 and an Intel processor, there
are
various annoyances that will crop up while they work through them.
Hopefully someone else has more useful information...
On 7/9/06 1:52 AM, in article
(e-mail address removed),
"(e-mail address removed)"
Sorry:
Mac OS 10.4.7
Office 2004 v with latest updates applied
I have a document with bullets in the form of small circles.
I click on a line that has this type of bullet. Then I goto to the
formatting palette and go into the bullets and numbering section.
I
move the bullet type to another one, say the solid dot.
Whatever I have in the document in the section changes type;
however,
until I do something else, say delete and re-enter a comma, Word
does
not seem to think it is an action.
Does that provide more info??
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Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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