Office Clipboard?

J

J. Ward

Will support for the office clipboard be added any time soon (or is it actually there, and I'm missing something)? It seems that Onenote is the program which would benefit most by having the abilities of the office clipboard. I often find myself creating notes from various sources in word (so I can use the office clipboard) and then pasting it into onenote--a step that seems quite unnecessary.
 
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Erik Sojka

It's not present in OneNote 2003 (you can verify this by selecting text and
hitting Ctrl-C twice - nothing happens!).

I agree that it would be useful to have it present in ON and I'm sure that
this would be included in a future release as ON grows out of its infancy
and gains more and more of the common Office features.

What I've done is to create one separate page in OneNote (and sometimes a
separate page in each section with section-specific content) and use that
as the "clipboard" from which commonly used text and items can be
copied/pasted.
 
G

Guest

Erik,

First, as a practical matter, for anyone who does a great
deal of cutting and pasting, it makes sense to invest in
a clip manager utility. Clipmate 6.3 allows you to paste
a series of copied clips, sequentially or in a batch,
from within the Office application (or other application
using the Windows clipboard). That's about as much
improvement over the Office clipboard as the latter is
over the Windows version, for about $20. (M8 Clips is
also very good, with different emphases).

That said, I'm astounded that integration with the Office
clipboard wouldn't be assumed by any Office application
from the start. Particularly in a notetaking program
where you expect to be reorganizing with the help of that
clipboard!

That kind of thing makes you wonder what MS was thinking.
Is there no integrated thinking about Office, but rather
ad hoc projects that eventually get somewhow artificially
tied together? Doesn't the absence of forethought
necessarily result in unnecessary complexity, side by
side with the over-simplifications of people acting like
pioneers where the frontier has been plowed over
repeatedly. The fact that Outlook isn't equipped with
notetaking capabilities doesn't change the fact that pims
that do emphasize this capability have been around a long
time.

Here's another astounding omission. Well, not as
astounding as the first, but still mind blowing. MS wants
to get involved in the business of designing search
engines, and a notetaking program needs excellent search
capabilities. Yet it equips OneNote with a mediocre
search engine that isn't even fully Boolean.

Microsoft products inspire the most profound ambivalence.
 
O

Owen

Hmmm, lessee, what were we thinking… J Honestly Office clipboard integration simply got prioritized lower than all the things we ended up shipping in v1 - and then again for SP1. I actually haven't heard many requests for this integration to this point, which is one reason it didn't rank highly for us (we try to listen to the feedback!) - the other is actually that as Erik mentions, OneNote can actually serve as an interesting replacement for the "collect and paste" features of the pane. (Something we had heard from a lot of people.)

It's also worth noting that the number of "shared Office features" (we call them MSO features, sometimes pronounced "miso" like the soup, after the prefix for all the shared-feature DLLs) is very large. Probably enough to fill an entire 2-year release. So we had to pick and choose, and we'll have to continue to balance that investment with investments in features that are about OneNote's specific scenarios.

Search was also a level-of-investment issue. Our specs always start out looking like a utopian word full of (for example) instant performance based on indexing, complex boolean operators, sophisticated relevance ranking, etc (all of which were in our original design) and then we balance against the other features we wanted to build in v1 (note flags, auto-save, organizational UI, audio recording, etc) and trim back to what we need. There is a large conversation here about the different development & business strategies at a very high level, which is fun to have, but not appropriate for this forum.

Giving us feedback (like your post here) is a great way to raise the odds of us adding or improving something. I really do sit here in my office and read this stuff and feel bad when folks have problems, and then we go try to make them better. So thanks for posting!

nntp://news.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.onenote/<[email protected]>

Erik,

First, as a practical matter, for anyone who does a great
deal of cutting and pasting, it makes sense to invest in
a clip manager utility. Clipmate 6.3 allows you to paste
a series of copied clips, sequentially or in a batch,
from within the Office application (or other application
using the Windows clipboard). That's about as much
improvement over the Office clipboard as the latter is
over the Windows version, for about $20. (M8 Clips is
also very good, with different emphases).

That said, I'm astounded that integration with the Office
clipboard wouldn't be assumed by any Office application
from the start. Particularly in a notetaking program
where you expect to be reorganizing with the help of that
clipboard!

That kind of thing makes you wonder what MS was thinking.
Is there no integrated thinking about Office, but rather
ad hoc projects that eventually get somewhow artificially
tied together? Doesn't the absence of forethought
necessarily result in unnecessary complexity, side by
side with the over-simplifications of people acting like
pioneers where the frontier has been plowed over
repeatedly. The fact that Outlook isn't equipped with
notetaking capabilities doesn't change the fact that pims
that do emphasize this capability have been around a long
time.

Here's another astounding omission. Well, not as
astounding as the first, but still mind blowing. MS wants
to get involved in the business of designing search
engines, and a notetaking program needs excellent search
capabilities. Yet it equips OneNote with a mediocre
search engine that isn't even fully Boolean.

Microsoft products inspire the most profound ambivalence.
-----Original Message-----
It's not present in OneNote 2003 (you can verify this by selecting text and
hitting Ctrl-C twice - nothing happens!).

I agree that it would be useful to have it present in ON and I'm sure that
this would be included in a future release as ON grows out of its infancy
and gains more and more of the common Office features.


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