Office:mac 2001

[Randi Snyder]

Ok, I was hoping to ask a tech support person this, but it keeps asking
for an ID # - that I can't get unless I open a program, and my problem
is that I can't open any of the programs! So, little help tech support is.

Here's the scoop: We have OS X Jaguar, and every time we want to use
Office:mac, it opens OS 9. Now OS 9 won't open at all, so I can't use
any of my office programs! I have ALL my business documents saved as
Microsoft Word files, and can't have them unaccessable!!!

What I need to know is if there is an update I can download so it runs
under OS X instead of OS 9. I mean, there should be, right? Just
because we upgraded our system we have to buy that SUPER EXPENSIVE
new software all over again? I don't think so...

Somebody help!!

 

[Bastet]

Ok, I was hoping to ask a tech support person this, but it keeps
asking for an ID # - that I can't get unless I open a program, and my
problem
is that I can't open any of the programs! So, little help tech
support is.

Here's the scoop: We have OS X Jaguar, and every time we want to use
Office:mac, it opens OS 9. Now OS 9 won't open at all, so I can't use
any of my office programs! I have ALL my business documents saved as
Microsoft Word files, and can't have them unaccessable!!!

What I need to know is if there is an update I can download so it runs
under OS X instead of OS 9. I mean, there should be, right? Just
because we upgraded our system we have to buy that SUPER EXPENSIVE
new software all over again? I don't think so...

Somebody help!!

This group is for users running Office for Windows. For Office for Mac
please repost to microsoft.public.office.mac.

Thank you

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

Office 2001 was not designed to run under Mac OS 10.x, Office X was designed
to run under the new OS. Just as other software producers had to rewrite
their programs for the completely new OS, so did Microsoft and the Office
2001 does NOT run under Mac OS 10.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.


After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer:
Randi Snyder <[email protected]> asked:
| Ok, I was hoping to ask a tech support person this, but it keeps
| asking for an ID # - that I can't get unless I open a program, and my
| problem
| is that I can't open any of the programs! So, little help tech
| support is.
|
| Here's the scoop: We have OS X Jaguar, and every time we want to use
| Office:mac, it opens OS 9. Now OS 9 won't open at all, so I can't use
| any of my office programs! I have ALL my business documents saved as
| Microsoft Word files, and can't have them unaccessable!!!
|
| What I need to know is if there is an update I can download so it runs
| under OS X instead of OS 9. I mean, there should be, right? Just
| because we upgraded our system we have to buy that SUPER EXPENSIVE
| new software all over again? I don't think so...
|
| Somebody help!!

 

[Guest]

Okaaaaayyyy... Gee, I guess after being in .mac discussions so long I
took for granted that helpful people came in here and were nice.

Bastet, as for you, charm school isn't that expensive - it consists of
readding the Bible and believing to "do unto others..." I'm not a
Microsoft person, I don't know these discussion groups, and I certainly
didn't mean to offend you in any way by daring to post a "non-related,
therefore non-important" question on "your" holy grail of groups.
Please accept my humblest of apologies, oh great sage of wisdom, for I
am but a slug under your feet. I had a question about office, there isn't
a listing in the office drop menu for those specific instances of mac
users actually having problems - it doesn't happen all that often like
with a PC. They're just a higher grade of computer when it comes to
graphic programs like power point and word. Microsoft knew this, or
they wouldn't have switched over.

And Milly, while I appreciate the fact that you didn't so rudely turn me
away (I have the feeling bastet would try to hit a homeless person with
his/her car rahter than have to deal with them being on the street wher
its holy highness was driving, I mean, who owns the world here? - you
on the other hand would throw something out of your car on your way
past so as not to get your hands dirty - a little help, but nothing that
would inconvenience you, and not the whole truth either...). As for
where "most software developers" are concerned, since switching to OS
X, I've found that only two programs can't be upgraded to OS X
compatability - one because the program is archaic and it's not made
anymore. The other is Microsoft Office:mac. I don't believe that
microsoft would be so cruel as to make mac users (or PC users, either)
pay twice for the same program just because they upgraded their
operating system. If you went out and bought a brand-spanking-new
PC, and it had a higher OS than what you've been using, there would be
an upgrade for your programs (at least most of them - if they're still
made) right? Otherwise, how would they convince people to buy new
computers? If your old software would be unusable, why not just forget
the new PC? I doubt it. They want people to upgrade to the newest
technology so one gets the most out of their programs and buys more
and more.

I think I'll try my luck with tech support, they're paid to be helpful
whereas you all aren't paid to do anything and show it in your greater-
than-thou attitudes. I'll stick to my .mac groups. there, even if you
accidentally get in the wrong forum they don't crawl down your back
and bite your ass, they help you anyway. That's what help forums are
for, after all. It's not social hour

 

[Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]]

I am sorry if you were offended by my post but what you want to do is
basically undoable. Office 2001 is OS 9.x and prior compatible. Office X
for OS X will work, Office 2001 will always call OS 9 in classic mode to
work.

I also fail to understand your apparent anger at my answer. Ask Quark when
they started to support OS X? Ask Adobe, a major Mac supporter, if all of
their older products work on OS X? I assure you, most of the answers you
get will be no, you must upgrade.

OS X is a major departure from the previous operating system and software
producers were made aware of this and given time to produce compatible
software. Office 2001 will work under OS 9.x and earlier, but to use OS X,
you need to use Office X for the Mac.

This was not MIcrosoft's decision, it was Apple's. If you have any anger to
express, talk to Apple who decided to redesign their OS and not support the
older programs any longer.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.


After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer:
(e-mail address removed) <[email protected]>
asked:
| Okaaaaayyyy... Gee, I guess after being in .mac discussions so long I
| took for granted that helpful people came in here and were nice.
|
| Bastet, as for you, charm school isn't that expensive - it consists of
| readding the Bible and believing to "do unto others..." I'm not a
| Microsoft person, I don't know these discussion groups, and I
| certainly didn't mean to offend you in any way by daring to post a
| "non-related, therefore non-important" question on "your" holy grail
| of groups.
| Please accept my humblest of apologies, oh great sage of wisdom, for I
| am but a slug under your feet. I had a question about office, there
| isn't a listing in the office drop menu for those specific instances
| of mac users actually having problems - it doesn't happen all that
| often like with a PC. They're just a higher grade of computer when it
| comes to graphic programs like power point and word. Microsoft knew
| this, or
| they wouldn't have switched over.
|
| And Milly, while I appreciate the fact that you didn't so rudely turn
| me away (I have the feeling bastet would try to hit a homeless person
| with his/her car rahter than have to deal with them being on the
| street wher its holy highness was driving, I mean, who owns the world
| here? - you
| on the other hand would throw something out of your car on your way
| past so as not to get your hands dirty - a little help, but nothing
| that would inconvenience you, and not the whole truth either...). As
| for where "most software developers" are concerned, since switching
| to OS
| X, I've found that only two programs can't be upgraded to OS X
| compatability - one because the program is archaic and it's not made
| anymore. The other is Microsoft Office:mac. I don't believe that
| microsoft would be so cruel as to make mac users (or PC users, either)
| pay twice for the same program just because they upgraded their
| operating system. If you went out and bought a brand-spanking-new
| PC, and it had a higher OS than what you've been using, there would be
| an upgrade for your programs (at least most of them - if they're still
| made) right? Otherwise, how would they convince people to buy new
| computers? If your old software would be unusable, why not just forget
| the new PC? I doubt it. They want people to upgrade to the newest
| technology so one gets the most out of their programs and buys more
| and more.
|
| I think I'll try my luck with tech support, they're paid to be helpful
| whereas you all aren't paid to do anything and show it in your
| greater- than-thou attitudes. I'll stick to my .mac groups. there,
| even if you accidentally get in the wrong forum they don't crawl down
| your back
| and bite your ass, they help you anyway. That's what help forums are
| for, after all. It's not social hour

 

[Bastet]

Okaaaaayyyy... Gee, I guess after being in .mac discussions so long I
took for granted that helpful people came in here and were nice.

Bastet, as for you, charm school isn't that expensive - it consists of
readding the Bible and believing to "do unto others..."

It consists of "readding the Bible" does it? Without becoming embroiled in a
theological discussion, that is a very 'religionist' thing to say. Xtianity
isn't the only religion in existence; are you saying that
Muslims/Sikhs/Hindus/Buddhists/Shinto/Pagans/Jainists/Confucianists/Rastafar
ians/Taoists/Zoroastronists are, to your way of thinking, are lacking charm
and without morals? That sentence of yours embodies the holier-than-thou
attitude of every xtian I've ever had the misfortune to meet. I am a Pagan,
damned proud, and I don't care who knows it! Anyone who tells me I need to
"readd" the bible will have said bible shoved very hard, very fast and with
the maximum amount of force possible where the sun doesn't shine. I've never
read anything so arrogant in all my life! I am sick and tired of xtians who
think that theirs is the only religion worth bothering with and that the
rest of the world should kiss their behinds. Well, I'm sorry sister, I don't
swing that way. Now may I suggest that you take your attitude - and your
bible - to some fundie group. It is this very attitude (i.e. yours) that
there are so many religious wars.

I'm not a

Microsoft person, I don't know these discussion groups, and I
certainly didn't mean to offend you in any way by daring to post a
"non-related, therefore non-important" question on "your" holy grail
of groups.

You don't have to be. A quick scan of this group would tell you the topic of
conversation here.

Please accept my humblest of apologies, oh great sage of wisdom, for I
am but a slug under your feet. I had a question about office, there
isn't a listing in the office drop menu for those specific instances
of mac users actually having problems - it doesn't happen all that
often like with a PC. They're just a higher grade of computer when it
comes to graphic programs like power point and word. Microsoft knew
this, or
they wouldn't have switched over.

And Milly, while I appreciate the fact that you didn't so rudely turn
me away (I have the feeling bastet would try to hit a homeless person
with his/her car rahter than have to deal with them being on the
street wher its holy highness was driving,

1) I cannot drive for medical reasons. 2) When I was well enough I
used to assist at both Shelter and Crisis every Yule. When I was working in
London, there was a street artist round the corner from where I worked who
eked out a meagre existence (for himself and his German Shepherd) by drawing
in chalk. The only materials he could afford were a £2 box of kiddie chalks
and a cheap sketchpad, but his work was amazing. I bought two of his
pictures for Yule presents one year - he wouldn't take any more than £20 for
the pair, but I gave him an extra tenner and told him to buy something for
his dog. Yes, one could take the sceptical view that he spent it on
booze/drugs/prostitutes, but I chose to think that he was genuinely trying
to better himself - though I knew that the majority of that £30 would go on
the dog - he cared for that dog better than many people would (you only have
to look at the overcrowding in the animal shelters). I made a point of going
round that way every lunchtime because he was a genuinely nice guy - one of
the sweetest blokes I've ever met and he certainly didn't deserve the cards
life had dealt him. I wish I knew what became of them - I hope they're now
housed and he's making a decent living sketching animals.


I mean, who owns the world

here? - you
on the other hand would throw something out of your car on your way
past so as not to get your hands dirty - a little help, but nothing
that would inconvenience you, and not the whole truth either...). As
for where "most software developers" are concerned, since switching
to OS X, I've found that only two programs can't be upgraded to OS X
compatability - one because the program is archaic and it's not made
anymore. The other is Microsoft Office:mac. I don't believe that
microsoft would be so cruel as to make mac users (or PC users, either)
pay twice for the same program just because they upgraded their
operating system.

Well there's the rub - if you don't like it, tough shit, Sherlock. Milly is
perfectly correct. Milly can't assist you because she has very little
knowledge of Mac applications (correct me if I'm wrong Milly) - neither can
I, because I've not owned a Mac for over 20 years. And ranting because
no-one will assist you with a *MAC* application in a *WINDOWS* group does
nothing but make you look a prize prick. And if you don't check the system
requirements - well, whose fault's that?!

If you went out and bought a brand-spanking-new

PC, and it had a higher OS than what you've been using, there would be
an upgrade for your programs (at least most of them - if they're still
made) right? Otherwise, how would they convince people to buy new
computers? If your old software would be unusable, why not just forget
the new PC? I doubt it. They want people to upgrade to the newest
technology so one gets the most out of their programs and buys more
and more.

The latest version of Windows Office will only run on the three latest
NT-based versions. All versions of Publisher will run under XP and 2003.
The earliest versions of Office will not run (or won't run well) but that's
the rub - technology moves on. You either move with it, or stick with what
you've got. Ranting about it won't get you anywhere.

I think I'll try my luck with tech support, they're paid to be helpful
whereas you all aren't paid to do anything and show it in your
greater- than-thou attitudes.

OOOOHHH!! That's rich! May I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself
and *YOUR* attitude. Your personal remark to me just embodied the xtian
attitude.

I'll stick to my .mac groups. there,

even if you accidentally get in the wrong forum they don't crawl down
your back
and bite your ass, they help you anyway. That's what help forums are
for, after all. It's not social hour

And both Milly and I helped you. I by telling you that you'd be better off
posting in a Mac group; Milly by telling you that 2001 won't run under
Jaguar. But, instead of thanking us, you go off on a vitrolic bender. If you
don't want to believe her, that's fine - waste money calling support, but
they'll give you exactly the same response.

Now, be a good little fundie and close the trapdoor on your way down...Don't
want you escaping now, do we?

To the rest of the group, I apologise for the above, but I feel I was
justified. If I wasn't, then I will apologise to Brandi *if* she returns.

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----

I said:
since switching

| to OS
| X, I've found that only two programs can't be upgraded to OS X
| compatability - one because the program is archaic and it's not made
| anymore. The other is Microsoft Office:mac.

You said:
you must upgrade.

Well, what a revelation! Gee, I hadn't thought about upgrading...oh wait,
yes I did - it was the main point of my original post. What kind of moron
reads a question asking if there is an upgrade for a program and turns
around telling the person looking that they need an upgrade? I SAID THAT
ALREADY!!! READ THE QUESTION!!! If you ddon't have an answer and are
just going to repeat the words of my question back to me with a period at
the end instead of a question mark, don't bother. Of course I'm angry - I'm
losing patience with this whole mess! There have to be more educated
people out there with real answers to my question, they just send in the
idiots to do their work.

 

[Bastet]

I said:
since switching

You said:
you must upgrade.

Well, what a revelation! Gee, I hadn't thought about upgrading...oh
wait, yes I did - it was the main point of my original post. What
kind of moron reads a question asking if there is an upgrade for a
program and turns around telling the person looking that they need an
upgrade? I SAID THAT ALREADY!!! READ THE QUESTION!!! If you ddon't
have an answer and are
just going to repeat the words of my question back to me with a
period at the end instead of a question mark, don't bother. Of course
I'm angry - I'm losing patience with this whole mess! There have to
be more educated people out there with real answers to my question,
they just send in the idiots to do their work.

Hokay, as you're the one who started with the insults, I don't see why I
should be polite. You blow in here, are politely told that this isn't the
correct place for Office for Mac questions and then proceed to degrade,
denigrate, abuse and just plain insult those attempting to assist you. If
you called me when I worked for a technical support centre, and started
ranting like this down the phone, I'd have ended the call. Had you called
back and continued in this manner, you would have been blacklisted.

Yes, let's suppose this is a TS call - you'd called this line mistakenly
thinking it was for Mac Office support. Would you have abused me down the
phone, just because I informed you that it was the wrong number?

Milly didn't just "repeat the words of my question back to me" she informed
you that 2001 doesn't run under Jaguar - and never will. But there is an
upgrade - it's called Office X and is available at all good software
retailers. Yes, it's not cheap, but that's the price you pay for being a
cretin.

Stop blaming others for your own failures. Was Milly responsible for the
fact you didn't bother to check whether your existing software would run
under the new OS? No, she was not. The failure is yours - and yours alone.

I'd like to impart something that someone said to me once - you might
recognise it...

"charm school isn't that expensive - it consists of readding the Bible and
believing to "do unto others...""

Sound familiar?

I'm still trying to work out how I "readd" the bible.

Typical xtian. All too ready to tell others what to do, yet thinking you're
too holy to follow your own advice. May I suggest you do - you're the one
doing the ranting, raving, abusing and insulting. Milly and I were merely
trying to help you. If you don't like the advice given, it's your own choice
not to take it, but you'll spend the rest of your days looking for a free
upgrade that doesn't exist - but that isn't our problem.

 

[Keira]

Bastet, as for you, charm school isn't that expensive - it consists of

readding the Bible and believing to "do unto others..."

"charm school n.
A school or course in which polite manners and proper etiquette are
taught."

Doesn't have anything to do with the Bible. And last time I checked,
the Bible was devoid of charm, and full of violence, murder, rape and
intolerance towards different creeds. Hardly charming in my opinion.

There is no need to forcefeed your religious beliefs down other
people's throats. This is a computer-related forum, not Sunday school.

I'm not a
Microsoft person, I don't know these discussion groups, and I certainly
didn't mean to offend you in any way by daring to post a "non-related,
therefore non-important" question on "your" holy grail of groups.

If you're not a Microsoft person then why are you attempting to use a
Microsoft suite of programs? Stick to your beloved Simpletext or
Wordperfect or some Apple rubbish.

They're just a higher grade of computer when it comes to
graphic programs like power point and word. Microsoft knew this, or
they wouldn't have switched over.

Actually, Apple Macs comprise components made by such companies as
Siemens and Motorola (your precious CPU is a Motorola) and the only
bit made by Apple is the hideous case. So, you have wasted an
excessive amount of money on what is essentially a botched-up PC,
running a sub-standard operating system.

I mean, who owns the world here?

Not you darling.

I don't believe that
microsoft would be so cruel as to make mac users (or PC users, either)
pay twice for the same program just because they upgraded their
operating system.

Well, if you wish to be so naive, that's your own call. Microsoft are
in it for the money, as are Apple. If you're going to insist on
upgrading your system, expect to have to upgrade all your software
too. It's business honey, not a charity.

Otherwise, how would they convince people to buy new
computers?

Advertising, marketing, moving with the times, keeping up with the
Joneses, peer pressure, aspirations, ... the list goes on.

... after all. It's not social hour

I am left in no doubt of that, after experiencing your total lack of
social skills. You need to check in to that charm school you
mentioned.

Oh, and by the way, I am also a Pagan.

Keira

 

[Bastet]

"charm school n.
A school or course in which polite manners and proper etiquette are
taught."

Doesn't have anything to do with the Bible. And last time I checked,
the Bible was devoid of charm, and full of violence, murder, rape and
intolerance towards different creeds. Hardly charming in my opinion.

There is no need to forcefeed your religious beliefs down other
people's throats. This is a computer-related forum, not Sunday school.



If you're not a Microsoft person then why are you attempting to use a
Microsoft suite of programs? Stick to your beloved Simpletext or
Wordperfect or some Apple rubbish.


Actually, Apple Macs comprise components made by such companies as
Siemens and Motorola (your precious CPU is a Motorola) and the only
bit made by Apple is the hideous case. So, you have wasted an
excessive amount of money on what is essentially a botched-up PC,
running a sub-standard operating system.


Not you darling.


Well, if you wish to be so naive, that's your own call. Microsoft are
in it for the money, as are Apple. If you're going to insist on
upgrading your system, expect to have to upgrade all your software
too. It's business honey, not a charity.



Advertising, marketing, moving with the times, keeping up with the
Joneses, peer pressure, aspirations, ... the list goes on.


I am left in no doubt of that, after experiencing your total lack of
social skills. You need to check in to that charm school you
mentioned.

Oh, and by the way, I am also a Pagan.

Keira

Keira?? Is that really you?? How in Hades did you find your way over to this
neck of the woods? Ah, Google...;o) I must say you've been more eloquent
than I was. I'm too tired to post much tonight, but I'll PM you again in the
morning, hon.

Good to know I've friends I can count on!

It's appreciated.

Bast