ON2007: synchronizing unfiled notes

[Elbert]

Hi,

When I converted my ON2003 files to the new format, it converted each folder
to a notebook. When I followed the procedure to move the notebooks to a USB
drive so I could synch with my laptop, it surprisingly changed the notebooks
to section groups, which was fine with me.

It also included at the top of the list of sections and section groups, a
section called unfiled notes. That section is synchronized with the laptop
via the USB drive.

At the bottom of the notebook contents list, just above the "All Notebooks"
button, there's another button labeled "Unfiled notes." It is not
synchronized.

Should there be two Unfiled Notes entries? Why is one synchronized and the
other not?

Thanks,

Elbert

 

[James]

For what it's worth, I'm also confused about the proper location and behavior
of the Unfiled Notes section, including where it should be located for proper
functionality (in the UI, and synching correctly).

 

[Rainald Taesler]

James shared these words of wisdom:

For what it's worth, I'm also confused about the proper location
and behavior of the Unfiled Notes section, including where it
should be located for proper functionality (in the UI, and
synching correctly).

I'm not really through. So pls don't jump on me should say not
everything 100% correct.
My present state of knowledge and/or assumptions:

1.) "Unfiled Notes" not really are *notebook.
This part is used for keeping *preliminary* things like
screen-clippings, things sent to ON from other applications when using
the "Send to OneNote"-printer etc.
One may compare it to a pile of unsorted papers.

2.) Normally one would not keep things in there for too long.
Just catch them in this location *locally* and then move the pages
over to notebook.
When an "unfiled" page is moved into notebook, it will be synched to
the other computer automatically.
Moving pages is really easy with Drag+Drop.

3.) Due to this construction the "unfiled" things are not included in
synchronisation.
Just would not make too much sense.

4.) This makes it necessary to have the directory for unfiled stuff on
both machines.
It does not hurt.

Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

I checked with Microsoft on this. There were a few bugs related to
unfiled notes and being offline that have all been fixed in the latest
internal MS builds. If anyone runs into any issues with this in the next
beta release, please email me right away so that I can point MS to them.
I don't know when the next beta release will be available.
I don't know what the expected behavior for unfiled notes is supposed to
be. My bet is that they should sync the same way as any notebook. I am
betting this because the default location for unfiled notes can be a
remote location. If MS had intended unfiled notes to be always local, it
would never default to a remote location.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Ilya Koulchin]

3.) Due to this construction the "unfiled" things are not included in
synchronisation.

Actually, the unfiled notes section can be synchronized. You can
accomplish this either by setting the unfiled notes location to be
within a shared notebook, or by pointing several different computers to
the same unfiled notes section (in fact, this is exactly what might
happen if your "my documents" path has been set to a network share). If
you find that synchronizing the unfiled notes section doesn't work,
please log a bug.

4.) This makes it necessary to have the directory for unfiled stuff on
both machines.

You can have a single unfiled notes section shared between multiple
machines (and multiple users, too, for that matter). Simply go to
Tools->Options->Filing Rules and set the "unfiled notes folder" path to
be wherever you like.

Ilya

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick Schmid shared these words of wisdom:

I checked with Microsoft on this. There were a few bugs related
to unfiled notes and being offline that have all been fixed in
the latest internal MS builds.
Interesting.

If anyone runs into any issues
with this in the next beta release, please email me right away
so that I can point MS to them.

OK. Will do so. Put in the "Bugs" section of my ON notebook ;-)

I don't know what the expected behavior for unfiled notes is
supposed to be. My bet is that they should sync the same way as
any notebook.

So my assumptions on synching being left out on purpose seems to be
wrong.
But it was good guess, wasn't it? <gbg>
Honestly speaking: I really do not see a *need* for that.
It's easy enough to "file" the unfiled stuff and have things synched
this way.

I am betting this because the default location for
unfiled notes can be a remote location. If MS had intended
unfiled notes to be always local, it would never default to a
remote location.

"Default"??
Wouldn't "default" mean that this special category is stored on a
computer locally?

Testing thing really hard I wondered that it was possible at all to
open the "unfiled file" (nice oxymoron <g>) on a remote computer. I
did that crosswise (setting the pathname on desktop to the tablet and
vice versa).
It will be "nice to have" if it will be synching.
Downside: Temptation to leave "unfiled" stuff piling up unsorted when
there is no need to move things to the proper place ;-) and
contributing to messie behaviour ;-)

Rainald

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Ilya Koulchin shared these words of wisdom:

Thanks for your attention, Ilya.

Actually, the unfiled notes section can be synchronized. You can
accomplish this either by setting the unfiled notes location to
be within a shared notebook, or by pointing several different
computers to the same unfiled notes section (in fact, this is
exactly what might happen if your "my documents" path has been
set to a network share).

When experimenting, I had done all of this (except putting things on
server).
I even did it with a new notebook dedicated to exclusively hold the
stuff of two networked machines.
Basis synching of single pages did work. Changes in the notebook (new
sections were not synched).

If you find that synchronizing the
unfiled notes section doesn't work, please log a bug.

As meanwhile Patrick has checked things with MS (see his posting of
today 1:57h) I'll wait for the new build.

You can have a single unfiled notes section shared between
multiple machines (and multiple users, too, for that matter).
Simply go to Tools->Options->Filing Rules and set the "unfiled
notes folder" path to be wherever you like.

As said, I had done the latter. My conclusion was based on synching
not working the way it should.

Thanks again
Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

"Default"??
Wouldn't "default" mean that this special category is stored on a
computer locally?

No. If you have redirected My Documents to reside on another computer
(as I did), it ends up as default on a remote location. For my scenario,
I want the unfiled notes to sync, because I want them accessible on both
computers. I could care less on which computer I put it in this section
and I leave items in there for quite some time.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Rainald Taesler]

Patrick Schmid shared these words of wisdom:

No. If you have redirected My Documents to reside on another
computer (as I did), it ends up as default on a remote location.
For my scenario, I want the unfiled notes to sync, because I
want them accessible on both computers. I could care less on
which computer I put it in this section and I leave items in
there for quite some time.

Thanks for clarifying, Patrick.
Obviously only a question of the *terminology* (two Germans
corresponding in English <g>).
"Default" in the sense of "normal state"/"settings unchanged" on my
side.
You were thinking in terms of customizing and specifying the storage
location as your default, however ;-)

Thanks again
Rainald

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Thanks for clarifying, Patrick.

Obviously only a question of the *terminology* (two Germans
corresponding in English <g>).
"Default" in the sense of "normal state"/"settings unchanged" on my
side.
You were thinking in terms of customizing and specifying the storage
location as your default, however ;-)

I meant the first thing, default, normal state. If you redirect My
Documents in Windows, ON will send unfiled notes by default to the
remote location without me changing anything.

Patrick Schmid