OneNote needs to Support Embedded Objects (like all other Office Apps)

[EMRhelp.org]

OneNote needs to Support Embedded Objects (like all other Office Apps)

It should be possible to Embed a Word Document in a OneNote file. If
OneNote wants to claim to be a part of the Office Suite, embedded files
are needed to support this claim.

Many Many Many people have asked for "Tables" (ie. Excel) and various
other Microsoft Word features to be a part of OneNote. Of course M$ is
not going to do this. They want you to buy Office as well. Not
surprising. THE VERY LEAST they could do is to allow me to embed a
Word Document in a OneNote file.

More features are needed in OneNote. Waiting until OneNote 2.0 is not
acceptable.

 

[Erik Sojka (MVP)]

Complaining incessantly and repeatedly about issues that have long since
been beaten to death is also not acceptable.

 

[EMRhelp.org]

The last time the word Embedded Object was used in this forum was May
11 2004.
I think over a year from the last post (that didn't deal with Embedded
Objects alone) is not beating issues to death.

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

OneNote needs to Support Embedded Objects (like all other Office Apps)

Eventually it probably will. All of the other Office apps are much older
than OneNote, as has been repeatedly explained to you.

Many Many Many people have asked for "Tables" (ie. Excel) and various
other Microsoft Word features to be a part of OneNote.

Some of those features, including tables, are on the wish list for the
next version and may be included.

Of course M$ is not going to do this.

If you believe that to be true then I have to wonder what your motives are
to bring it up. The fact that you choose to use the perjorative "M$" to
mean Microsoft is telling.

More features are needed in OneNote. Waiting until OneNote 2.0 is not
acceptable.

You want them to add major features without releasing a new version?

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

The last time the word Embedded Object was used in this forum was May
11 2004.

That's a distortion of the truth. There was a short discussion about
Object "Imbedding" and Linking just at the end of June. You posted to
that thread yourself, making the erroneous claim that OneNote is the only
Office application that doesn't support OLE.

OLE comes up every few weeks, it seems, and it is a good suggestion for a
future version.

In any event, I have no problem with discussing object embedding (or
"imbedding" if you will) in OneNote, though at present it's a fairly short
conversation. It doesn't currently support it and there is a good chance
that a future version will.

I think over a year from the last post (that didn't deal with Embedded
Objects alone) is not beating issues to death.

No, I think it's your incessant negativity about OneNote specifically and
Microsoft in general that makes people think that you have ulterior
motives for posting here. Perhaps you're actually a fan of some other
product, like Asksam.

If that's the case it's o.k., we welcome feedback and honest discussion
about OneNote and suggestions for features it should have. It would just
get us a lot further if you would try to be aware of the negative attitude
you've been bringing and how it tends to undermine what you have to say.



--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[EMRhelp.org]

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You want them to add major features without releasing a new version?
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
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YES.
Terribly long Microsoft release cycles for immature products are not
acceptable.

 

[Chris H.]

This will never happen. If you've read this newsgroup long enough, as you
claim, you would know a service pack (bug fixes only) is forthcoming,
followed by another edition in the same timeframe as the full Office
product. Nothing will happen in the meantime.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

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You want them to add major features without releasing a new version?
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

YES.
Terribly long Microsoft release cycles for immature products are not
acceptable.

Well, then I'm sorry but you're making unreasonable demands. Nobody
shipping significant commercial software introduces major features without
releasing a new version; though they sometimes use different terminology
for it. That's just not how the software business works and I think you
should know that.

Major new features have to be developed, tested, regression tested, beta
tested, tested for interoperability, refined, debugged, documented and
more. This is not something you just slip release. I would recommend you
look into some books on the subject. "Dymamics of Software Development"
is a good one that you might enjoy.

If them updating the product in a proper and systematic way is not
acceptable to you then perhaps you would be happier with a different
product.

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[John Waller]

I think part of the issue here is end user expectations. In some ways,
Microsoft is its own worst enemy. After all, the biggest competition to new
releases of MS Office are previous versions of MS Office. If it ain't
broke....

People have been so used to the mature features of MS Office for so many
years that any new product is expected to start from where Office is today
(native OLE, tables, hyperlinking etc) and develop from there. Expectations
of a version 1 release in 2005 are very different to a version 1 release in
1995 or even 2000.

I think this issue is heightened in ON since it is marketed as part of the
Office family.

I must admit that, even though I love ON, I was quite surprised to discover
no OLE capability, tables or hyperlinking (bookmarking).

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

I think part of the issue here is end user expectations. In some ways,
Microsoft is its own worst enemy. After all, the biggest competition to
new
releases of MS Office are previous versions of MS Office. If it ain't
broke....

People have been so used to the mature features of MS Office for so many
years that any new product is expected to start from where Office is
today
(native OLE, tables, hyperlinking etc) and develop from there.
Expectations
of a version 1 release in 2005 are very different to a version 1 release
in
1995 or even 2000.

Yes, I think that is a good analysis. What people need to undestand is
that the code that does that stuff is not completely modular. Microsoft
can't just copy the OLE support out of Word, bolt it onto OneNote and
expect it to work seamlessly.

If I recall correctly Word 2.0 didn't support OLE either so it's a little
unreasonable to expect OneNote 1.5 (which is essentially what we have now)
to do it. It's possible that OneNote 2.0 will do it, or maybe 3.0 will.
It's really the most significant customer demands that get addressed
first; OLE is on the requests list but it's not #1. (or at least I don't
think it was the last time I saw the list).

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ: http://www.factplace.com/onenotefaq.htm

 

[John Waller]

Yes, I think that is a good analysis. What people need to undestand is

that the code that does that stuff is not completely modular. Microsoft
can't just copy the OLE support out of Word, bolt it onto OneNote and
expect it to work seamlessly.

Understood and fair point. Thanks for the explanation, Ben.

And what the ON Team Leaders need to understand is that end users are
struggling to understand why OLE was not implemented from Day 1 thus
avoiding the need to retrofit OLE into a later version.

Especially since Microsoft has done such a good job over the years in
training us to expect and use this functionality in its other software

 

[EMRhelp.org]

""""Nobody is shipping significant commercial software introduces major
features without releasing a new version""""

Ummmmmm.
Everyone is just talking semantics.
Fine then, dont release upgrades in between new versions.

Just release new versions of OneNote faster than new versions of Office
12.

Office is on version 12, OneNote is on version 1.
The speed of new versions of very immature products like OneNote should
not at all resemble the speed of release of very mature products like
Office.

 

[Chris H.]

I've got to say you're pretty much off-base on this. OneNote was released
after Office 2003 came out. The OneNote Team at Microsoft pulled a pretty
unusual move by adding some features in the Service Pack. Service Packs
generally are for bug fixes only.

Office 2003 is heading toward another Service Pack before another version
comes out around the timeframe of Longhorn in 2006. Apparently, OneNote is
going to have the same schedule. There is no difference between a "mature"
product and a new one like OneNote is releases.

We're talking about a very complex product in OneNote, considering it also
has great Tablet PC capabilities.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -