OneNote - Not what I am looking for

[Gerald]

Nice concept, not the implementation I am looking for. While OneNote does
do a nice job of organizing notes, it would be useable (for me) if
individual pages could be actual --- live --- spreadsheets, PDFs, other app,
etc. rather than a static picture of one. Does anyone make such a document
organization product?

Thanks

 

[Appalcarp]

I think that's why they have those apps but if you have a tablet you can ink
direcly in them with SPI and Office 2003. You can also c/p to OneNote using
the clipboard. If your computer has sufficient capability, you shoud be able
to have as many windows as you'd like.

 

[Gerald]

I think that's why they have those apps but if you have a tablet you can
ink
direcly in them with SPI and Office 2003.

?? Not sure I follow. I know that I can use multiple apps outside of
OneNote. Is that what you are saying?

You can also c/p to OneNote using
the clipboard.

I am looking for the complete integration. A page IS the PDF. A page IS
and MS Access database program. .A page IS a spreadsheet --- not a c/p of
a spread sheet. As it is now, you would be required to launch excel, do
your work, save the spreadsheet, copy the relavent cells, go back to OneNote
and paste. Why not just click on the spreadsheel page and make the changes?
Absoultely, the spreadsheet could (and should if MS is involved) be Excel
and not some OneNote knockoff. Such an OneNote type app should not
replicate any application behaviours that can be better done with a 'best of
breed" app that already exists.

If your computer has sufficient capability, you shoud be able
to have as many windows as you'd like.

Understood, but what I am looking for is integration into a single coherent
container.

 

[Appalcarp]

Yes, that's what I was saying.
That is why there are various file types for these programs which have
specific functions. Trying for a 'container' would be difficult since that
is what the entire computer is for. ON does a fair job for its specific
function, which is for notes for classes, meetings, etc., along with some
basic video and audio integration. However, it is not Office which has its
own specific ways of handling the specific information types and file
structures necessary.

Handling it the way you already are is probably the best thing to do. Maybe
the new OS next year will be better equipped, but it won't affect me because
I don't change OS' for at least 2 generations, too expensive to upgrade
everything on an MS whim.

Actually, as a 'wish list,' it would be nice to be able to 'ink' directly
into this forum, for example.

 

[Rev. Michael L. Burns]

Take a look at GoBinder and see if it's anything like you're looking for. You
can get a trial download at http://www.gobinder.com/. According to their
info:

Save the Originals - Store Native Files INSIDE GoBinder - In addition to
using the GoBinder Printer to store ePaper in Tabs GoBinder, you can now
import and store native files inside GoBinder. This is ideal for storing the
research paper or assignment in the same folder structure alongside your
research or lecture notes in GoBinder. Office files, PDFs, email, web pages,
and more are automatically converted to ePaper for annotation and searching.
At any time, you can launch the native document by clicking on the document
icon inside GoBinder. Any file can be stored, including Flash, AVI, MPEG,
etc. You can also add files you already have stored on your hard drive into
GoBinder Tabs of Folders through drag and drop, making if fast and easy to
store lots of information at one time.

Personally, I use both OneNte and GoBinder.

Rev. Michael L. Burns

 

[Timothy]

Hello,

Have you tried applications such as Ultra Recall? Ultra Recall is a
hierarchical information management system which allows one to view and edit
any documents that can be viewed and edited within Internet Explorer (eg.,
web pages, Word and Excel documents, etc).

Timothy

 

[Ben M. Schorr, MVP]

Nice concept, not the implementation I am looking for. While OneNote
does
do a nice job of organizing notes, it would be useable (for me) if
individual pages could be actual --- live --- spreadsheets, PDFs, other
app,
etc. rather than a static picture of one. Does anyone make such a
document
organization product?

How about Windows Explorer?

If you have XP you could use the Thumbnail view for some types of
objects. The tricky part would be getting viewers for the specific file
types (like Excel).



--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ:
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/schorr/computers/onenotefaq.htm

 

[EMRhelp.org]

it would be useable (for me) if
individual pages could be actual --- live --- spreadsheets, PDFs, other
app,
etc. rather than a static picture of one. <<<<


Now THAT would be a killer feature.
However unlikely.

 

[EMRhelp.org]

Ultra Recall seems cool.
I wish I could "Import a Windows Explorer folder" and then have it
refresh.

 

[EMRhelp.org]

Take at the "potential" upcoming features !!
Sounds good.

http://www.kinook.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=8f1a1825551e91f5b8607b40a868292e&threadid=993

 

[Timothy]

It occurs to me that OneNote and Ultra Recall combined would make a powerful
tool. My understanding is that all Ultra Recall would need is for Onenote
files (.one) to be viewable and/or editable within Internet Explorer, just as
Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint can be now. Do the OneNote developers
have any plan for this?

 

[Gerald]

How about Windows Explorer?

Maybe as a so-so workaround.

I get involved with many projects that have various combinations of Word,
Excel, PowerPoint, PDF, Project, Email, simple Notes, Web pages (both active
links and static pictures of pages) and other applications associated with
them. I want to be able to organize them on an easy to navigate, user
friendly manner. Hierarchal Directory type views are nice, so is the Tab
structure in OneNote. Navigation through/across a project is the key, not
navigation through/across file types or application programs.

I want a Project Notebook that contains all the documents associated with
that project. Some documents may be shared between multiple projects and
must be shareable (shareable in the view organization. So A Windows
Explorer (WE) would not work well.) Whether the actual application can
handle sharing or not would be a function of the actual application ---- not
the container app.

I would not be overly impressed with an application that provideds the Word
Processing, spread sheet, web browsing... functionality. What ever it does,
it wouldn't do it as well as Word, or brand X or what ever I like best. It
certainly would not include some really hot functionality just released by
FooBarSoft that I need in my Business. Any one company trying to implement
these solutions would be on a dead end road --- What is needed is a
container that would allow the user to organize their documents (one might
say file types or application programs --- that is just so 20th century
thinking) as they see fit. OneNote does that do a degree ---- only the
number of documents is severely limited: most documents are just pictures of
a document --- not the real live document.

My initial expectations would not be all that high --- an end application
that was not built with consideration to being used in a container might not
work perfectly in that environment. If the container concept caught on and
became accepted, that would 'force' software vendors to be come 'container
aware'. Obviously, if MS was the container vendor, and they espoused
openness (with a little more openness to MS products???), then over a fairly
short period of time, either most vendors would be 'container aware', or
someone would make middle ware to allow any app to be 'container aware' ----
whatever the hell that means.

So who needs the container app? Wasn't it Steve Balmer's mother who
wondered why any one needed a computer? ... and here we all are. WHo needs
a container app ----> everyone.

...... so where the hell is that old 'C' compiler of mine.....

If you have XP you could use the Thumbnail view for some types of
objects. The tricky part would be getting viewers for the specific file
types (like Excel).

I think OneNote does a good job at what it does. Perhaps I am just looking
a little further outside the box.

 

[Joe Davis]

Microsoft Binder did exactly what you're asking for but I don't believe the
reaction to it was what MS expected, so they stopped development of it.

Another thing to mention is, MS-Entourage (the Mac equivalent of Outlook),
provides a Projects feature which allows you to organize all of your assets
for a "project" in one location. It has a handy summary screen which displays
your email, contacts, tasks, documents (doc', pdf's, spreadsheet's, etc...).
As I am sure that you will not want to make any kind of switch to Apple, I
suggest you submit a wish-ist asking for this feature to be added to
MS-Outlook.

Myself, I love the Mac OS but I am a veteran of the MS world and I require a
MS platform for my career. I do however use Entourage for most of my document
organization for projects.

-Joe

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

I think OneNote does a good job at what it does. Perhaps I am just
looking
a little further outside the box.

Understood and I think your ideas are interesting. I'm just not convinced
that OneNote is going to migrate that far into the document management
category. But certainly I could see application for SOME program, perhaps
Sharepoint, offering more of these kinds of capabilities.

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ:
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/schorr/computers/onenotefaq.htm

 

[Ben M. Schorr - MVP]

It occurs to me that OneNote and Ultra Recall combined would make a
powerful
tool. My understanding is that all Ultra Recall would need is for Onenote
files (.one) to be viewable and/or editable within Internet Explorer,
just as
Microsoft Word, Excel, and Powerpoint can be now. Do the OneNote
developers
have any plan for this?

Viewable in IE wouldn't surprise me at all (in fact you can do that now if
you publish the notes page) but I'm skeptical that we'll see editable in
IE - at least not in the foreseeable future.

--
-Ben-
Ben M. Schorr, MVP-OneNote/Outlook
Operations Coordinator
Stockholm/KSG - Honolulu
Microsoft OneNote FAQ:
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/schorr/computers/onenotefaq.htm

 

[Jeffrey W. Roach]

It sounds more like SharePoint Portal Server is what you're looking for, we
use it at work and have pdf files, word files, excel, etc done in "areas",
some are projects, some are classes.