Outlook Express

E

egertz

Does Outlook Express still exist? In the future I'd like to buy Office Home
and Student 2010 (because I can install it on 3 machines) but it doesn't
include Outlook.
If Express no longer exists, are there any recommendations for a mail
handling program? Thanks.
 
J

joefox

Windows Vista and 7 include Windows Mail, which replaced Outlook Express. You
could use that, as its similar to OE. Otherwise, I would recommend Google's
Gmail.
 
N

N. Miller

Windows Vista and 7 include Windows Mail, which replaced Outlook Express. You
could use that, as its similar to OE. Otherwise, I would recommend Google's
Gmail.

A. Windows 7 does not include any email client. Some computer manufacturers
include Windows Live Mail (not Windows Mail) as a part of the OEM software
bundle, but Microsoft includes no email client with Windows 7.

B. Gmail is not (that I know of) an installable email client; rather, it is
an online email service.
 
R

Russ Valentine

Correction: Gmail provides both POP and IMAP. It is not simply web based.
 
T

Tom Willett

But, you still need an email client of some sort to use it, such as
Thunderbird.
: Correction: Gmail provides both POP and IMAP. It is not simply web based.
: --
: Russ Valentine
: : > On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:08:01 -0700, joefox wrote:
: >
: >> Windows Vista and 7 include Windows Mail, which replaced Outlook
Express.
: >> You
: >> could use that, as its similar to OE. Otherwise, I would recommend
: >> Google's
: >> Gmail.
: >
: > A. Windows 7 does not include any email client. Some computer
: > manufacturers
: > include Windows Live Mail (not Windows Mail) as a part of the OEM
software
: > bundle, but Microsoft includes no email client with Windows 7.
: >
: > B. Gmail is not (that I know of) an installable email client; rather, it
: > is
: > an online email service.
: >
: > --
: > Norman
: > ~Oh Lord, why have you come
: > ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
:
 
R

Russ Valentine

Indeed. I missed the start of the thread and didn't realize the OP was
looking for a web based solution.
 
V

VanguardLH

egertz said:
Does Outlook Express still exist? In the future I'd like to buy Office Home
and Student 2010 (because I can install it on 3 machines) but it doesn't
include Outlook.
If Express no longer exists, are there any recommendations for a mail
handling program? Thanks.

"In the future" tells no one what versions of Windows you are using and what
versions you may intend to use later.

When it was supported, OE came bundled with IE. OE has long been
unsupported. It is a dead program. The last program updates were back in
2002 with one later functional change in SP-2 for Windows XP to add registry
hacks for top/bottom-posting and signature placement. The development team
was disbanded in 2006. You cannot get OE separately from IE. They came
bundled together. As of IE7 and later, OE is no longer bundled with IE.
IE6 was the last version that bundled OE with it. Microsoft isn't going to
bundle unsupported products with supported products.

Windows XP comes with IE6 as its baseline version hence why OE is available.
Vista comes with IE7 and Windows 7 comes with IE8 as their baseline versions
of that web browser. You cannot install earlier versions of IE on those
Windows platforms.

You could run VirtualPC, VMWare Server, VirtualBox, or other virtual machine
managers (VMMs) on Vista and then install a pre-Vista version of Windows in
a virtual machine (VM) to have OE running inside that virtual machine. That
requires installing the VMM, installing pre-Vista Windows in a virtual
machine (VM), and then load that VM when you want to run OE. According to
Microsoft's EULAs, you will need another license of Windows to run it inside
a VM. That is a lot of work and nuisance to run a long-dead e-mail client.

For Windows 7 (Professional and Ultimate editions), a license of Windows XP
SP-3 is included called XP Mode. If you install XP Mode and then Windows
VirtualPC (WVPC), you will have Windows XP available as a guest OS running
inside a VM. Windows XP comes with a baseline version of IE6 which means
OE6 will be available; see http://preview.tinyurl.com/Win7xpmode-IE6OE6.

Note: Windows 7's XP Mode had required the CPU to support hardware-
assisted virtualization (http://preview.tinyurl.com/wiki-CPUvm).
Microsoft removed this limitation and now permits XP Mode to use software-
based virtualization (http://preview.tinyurl.com/XPmode-noHdweReq). Some
VMMs will run faster using their own software code than the virtualization
extensions added to the CPU (e.g., VirtualBox); however, VirtualPC 2007 is
not so blessed. A guest OS running in a VM is significantly slower than
the host OS. Software-based VMs are slower than hardware-assisted VMs.

Windows Mail (WM) is the e-mail client included in Windows Vista. Windows
*Live* Mail (WLM) is the replacement for both OE and WM. Windows 7 does not
come with an e-mail client pre-installed so you will have to install one.

For WLM:
http://download.live.com

After installing just WLM, go into Add/Remove Programs and uninstall the
unwanted extra fluff software that Microsoft pushes onto you, like the
SignOn Assistant. While WLM is reminiscent of OE, it has some functional
differences. For help, the WLM newsgroup is at:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

There are plenty of other e-mail clients available, some of which are free,
like Thunderbird (and a derivative called Sunbird), or PIM programs that
have an e-mail functions, like EssentialPIM. You'll have to decide what
e-mail client you want to use under Windows 7 since that OS doesn't include
one.
 
N

N. Miller

Correction: Gmail provides both POP and IMAP. It is not simply web based.

What are you correcting? You said:

| Windows Vista and 7 include Windows Mail, which replaced Outlook Express ...

Which is not true, as the Windows 7, which comes in the retail box shipped
by Microsoft does not include any email client. Furthermore you state:

| Otherwise, I would recommend Google's Gmail.

The implication of which is that Gmail is an email client which can be used
in place of Windows Mail, or Windows Live Mail. Gmail ***IS NOT*** an email
client, it is an email service.
 
N

N. Miller

Indeed. I missed the start of the thread and didn't realize the OP was
looking for a web based solution.

He is not looking for a web based solution. He is looking for a replacement
for MS Outlook Express, which is an email client. He does not need either a
web based email solution, or a new email service. All he needs is an email
client.
 
L

LD55ZRA

You could also consider this email client that is highly
recommended by people who are in the know!:

<http://www.eudora.com/download/>

hth

Thanks for all the responses and information.

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B

Brian Tillman [MVP-Outlook]

What are you correcting? You said:

| Windows Vista and 7 include Windows Mail, which replaced Outlook Express
...

Which is not true, as the Windows 7, which comes in the retail box shipped
by Microsoft does not include any email client. Furthermore you state:

| Otherwise, I would recommend Google's Gmail.

The implication of which is that Gmail is an email client which can be used
in place of Windows Mail, or Windows Live Mail. Gmail ***IS NOT*** an email
client, it is an email service.

Your attributions are incorrect. Russ didn't say these things, "joefox" did.
 

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