Page orientation

[glynnie]

I have a three page document; page one and two are portrait and page
three is landscape. Right now I have the document set up with a
regular "page break" between page one and two and a "section break
(next page)" between pages two and three and pages three and four. The
problem is that I do not want a page four but had to add it so that
page three could be oriented as landscape. i.e. So far, I have found
that in order for page three to be landscape I need the section break
at the end of it, this adds another page to the end of my document. Is
there anything I can do to eliminate page four.

Thank you

 

[Elliott Roper]

I have a three page document; page one and two are portrait and page
three is landscape. Right now I have the document set up with a
regular "page break" between page one and two and a "section break
(next page)" between pages two and three and pages three and four. The
problem is that I do not want a page four but had to add it so that
page three could be oriented as landscape. i.e. So far, I have found
that in order for page three to be landscape I need the section break
at the end of it, this adds another page to the end of my document. Is
there anything I can do to eliminate page four.

That was an interesting problem. I tried for myself, and had no trouble
creating a page 3 in landscape without adding a section break at the
end.

Try copying everything from the beginning to just before the last
paragraph marker on page three to a new document.

 

[PhilD]

Is there anything I can do to eliminate page four.

I only have access to Windows at the moment, so sorry if this doesn't
help at all.

* Take out all section breaks (so that you start "fresh"). Your final
page will be all wrong for the time being, with things running off the
edge of the page and watnot, but ignore that for now.
* place the cursor at the point where you want the new page. I usually
add a few paragraph marke each side, and delete them again later, but
that shouldn't be essential.
* Go to File -> Page Setup, select Paper Size, select landscape, and
select "This point forward".

Hopefully someone with a better memory than me, or with direct access
to a Mac right now, will be able to translate to the correct terms.

PhilD

 

[glynnie]

It didn't work. There is no paragragh marker at the end of page three.
Perhaps that is the problem?

I forgot to include in my initial description that the document is a
form (using the table functions). When I tried to copy and paste as
you suggested, half of page one went off the page to the right as if it
was in landscape orientation. I don't think it was a page orientation
issue, rather a table formatting issue. Also, there was an empty page
before page three.

 

[glynnie]

I tried pasting sections (page one) and the whole table becomes skewed,
even if I set the margins exactly. I don't think pasting this document
to another blank document is an option.

 

[glynnie]

Sorry, I guess this isn't as simple as it sounds. I am using this word
doc as an interface (of sorts) and running it through another software
program so that it carries through data from a database. It's just
that I have made over 100 documents like this and haven't had this
issue before.

 

[Daiya Mitchell]

Hi Glynnie,

In your original doc, try putting the cursor at the very end of the
document. Arrow down until it won't go down any more (use the arrow, not the
enter key, which adds lines to the doc).

Now try backspacing until you get to the end of page three and there is no
page four.

There is an invisible section break at the end of every Word doc (in that
last paragraph mark), so you should *not* need a section break after page 3
to make page 3 landscape.

Word will force a paragraph mark after a table--you can't get rid of it,
which can often create another page. If that's the case here, click ¶ on the
standard toolbar so you can see the paragraph marks, and try selecting the
last one and formatting it as hidden or as 1pt size.

If that doesn't work, please state exact OS and Word versions, and detail
what you did to originally create the landscape page. What did you try that
didn't work, so that you had to add a page four?

 

[Elliott Roper]

It didn't work. There is no paragragh marker at the end of page three.
Perhaps that is the problem?

I forgot to include in my initial description that the document is a
form (using the table functions). When I tried to copy and paste as
you suggested, half of page one went off the page to the right as if it
was in landscape orientation. I don't think it was a page orientation
issue, rather a table formatting issue. Also, there was an empty page
before page three.

Oh dear! Tables and Forms. I have no useful experience with either. I
always set out tables in Excel and hope they export. I gave upon forms
after seeing the messes that arrived from others.

So this might be useful or not. Try chopping your problem in half. Make
a document with 2 portrait pages and one landscape with almost nothing
in it. In my test, at the end of page 2, I did
insert » break » section » new page, then with the cursor in the new
page format » document » layout, check Apply to: this section, then, on
the same panel, Page setup... and choose landscape.
Check it works.
Now go back and paste each page's content from the old document into
the new one. Be careful not to copy the page and section breaks.

Here's some unrelated to Word stuff that might be useful:
(I'm not trying to score points off you here. It got triggered by your
first post not mentioning tables and forms, but it's for everyone stuck
with a puzzle in using Word and any vaguely related puzzle. It comes
over as a bit schoolmasterly. Do forgive me.)

This idea of chopping your problem in half is a very powerful trick for
debugging things.
I learned it, and quite a few others, years ago, from a book called
"How to Solve It" by George Polya. I'd recommend that to anyone with a
puzzle to solve.
Here's a taste:
http://www.math.utah.edu/~alfeld/math/polya.html

The other thing we might learn from this exchange of information is how
important it is to describe the problem with the right amount of
detail.

Asking "Is there anything unusual about my document, set-up, whatever"
usually helps.

Often, you find you can solve your own problem as a result of stating
it clearly. (see Polya reference above). F'rinstance, the other night,
I had bizarre Python programming problem, but in the process of writing
out my stupid question for the Python newsgroup as clearly as I could,
the place where I was being a total muppet became all too obvious.

 

[glynnie]

I have pushed this problem to the side for today. I will try your
suggestions tomorrow morning. I was wondering if I post more
information/questions tomorrow if you will be notified automatically or
if you have to check in with my post on your own. I don't really know
how Google Groups works in this respect. Thank you for all of the
suggestions.

 

[Elliott Roper]

I have pushed this problem to the side for today. I will try your
suggestions tomorrow morning. I was wondering if I post more
information/questions tomorrow if you will be notified automatically or
if you have to check in with my post on your own. I don't really know
how Google Groups works in this respect. Thank you for all of the
suggestions.

No, it will pop up here as usual.
Google groups causes a bit of pain for people with ordinary
newsreaders, in that we have to remember what you were saying, there is
a work around, but you don't need any extra aggro for the moment.

It is a really interesting propblem.

 

[JosypenkoMJ]

I have a three page document; page one and two are portrait and page
three is landscape. Right now I have the document set up with a
regular "page break" between page one and two and a "section break
(next page)" between pages two and three and pages three and four. The
problem is that I do not want a page four but had to add it so that
page three could be oriented as landscape. i.e. So far, I have found
that in order for page three to be landscape I need the sec tion break
at the end of it, this adds another page to the end of my document. Is
there anything I can do to eliminate page four.

Thank you

The unwanted blank page has always caused me problems. Here's what I
figure :

The problem is that Word does not properly handle the special case of
making a section of stuff at the end of a document, when changing view.
The view of a section is associated with "section breaks (next page)"
at the end of a section or by the end of the document.
When changing a view of a piece of a new document to landscape, the
steps are :

- select piece to be changed
- File / page setup / landscape, Apply ... Orientation to / Selected
text / ok
- Word puts "section breaks (next page)" on the top and bottom of the
selected piece and changes the view of the piece to landscape. This is
ok for the most of the document, but for a selected piece at the end of
the document, a section break at the bottom of the piece is not needed
because the end of the document marks the end of the section. Thus Word
puts a blank page of portrait view between the unneeded section break
and the end of the document.
If the user deletes the unneeded section break (and thus the
following blank page), the view of the section changes from landscape
to portrait to reflect the portrait view from the previous blank page
that was associated with the end-of-the-document section break.

To fix :

- delete the blank page (the unneeded section break)
- do a page setup command again :

- select piece to be changed again
- File / page setup / landscape, Apply ... Orientation to /
Selected sections / ok

or

- don't let page setup insert the breaks but maually only put one
"section breaks (next page)" before the piece.
- select piece to be changed
- File / page setup / landscape, Apply ... Orientation to / Selected
sections / ok


If the addition of a blank page is proper logic, its view should be
the same as that of the previous section, so if it is deleted, the view
of the previous section is not changed.›