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JOSE
COULD YOU TELL ME WITH IS THE BEST PEN INPUT DEVICE THAT I CAN BUY TO WORK
WITH MICROSOFT OFFICE ONE NOTE ?
WITH MICROSOFT OFFICE ONE NOTE ?
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Chris H.
A Tablet PC, Jose. And please lose the all caps. That's shouting on the
Internet. If you're talking about writing pads, like those from Wacom,
you're not getting the same experience as digitized Ink because the sampling
rate on the pad is the same as your mouse or about a third of the digital
recognizers.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
Internet. If you're talking about writing pads, like those from Wacom,
you're not getting the same experience as digitized Ink because the sampling
rate on the pad is the same as your mouse or about a third of the digital
recognizers.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
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jaszzz
Chris, there are different WACOM Tablet models.
Does your comment apply to all WACOM Tablets?
I upgraded from a graphire 3 4x5 inch to the Intuos 3 6X8 with tremendous
improvements when using One Note.
However, inking is not as good as it should be (eg evernote)....
Jeff
Does your comment apply to all WACOM Tablets?
I upgraded from a graphire 3 4x5 inch to the Intuos 3 6X8 with tremendous
improvements when using One Note.
However, inking is not as good as it should be (eg evernote)....
Jeff
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Chris H.
I was speaking of Tablet PCs, Jeff, not the writing pads which use the same
analog sampling rate as a mouse or Touchpad.
Besides, using an external pad (not counting Wacom's Cintiq) isn't the same
experience as a Tablet PC where you are writing "pen-on-paper" in digital
sampling speed.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
analog sampling rate as a mouse or Touchpad.
Besides, using an external pad (not counting Wacom's Cintiq) isn't the same
experience as a Tablet PC where you are writing "pen-on-paper" in digital
sampling speed.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
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jaszzz
Thanks for the reply, please hang with me a bit.
1.) When using the Intuos 3 with the Alias Sketchbook Pro trial.
My writing is captured perfectly. NO jaggies, just pure me. In addition,
the different Pen Style choices and customizations
allows me to fine tune the writing experience. Has me crying for
ink recognition, too bad for me the application is
for drawing and doesn't distinguish handwriting (ink) from drawing. As you
know,
the canvous contents are saved to graphics format of choice.
2.) When using Evernote beta, my handwriting looks smooth and the chisel
point adds flair to my handwriting like
a fancy pen. NO jaggies. However, it doesn't compare to the capture I
get with Alias nor does it recognize pressure (it is beta as you know).
3.) In Franklin Plan Plus and GoBinder, the handwiting doesn't look good
and the Pen pressure doesn't seem to make much difference (no custonization).
Ballpoint pen ink looks sloppy, the chisel looks better but overall still
sloppy and cheezy. NOTE: I own a $60.00 Rotting Pen, I prefer really clean
white
paper with strong blue lines (college-narrow ruled) and bold red margins.
I detest cheap paper with washed out paper lines. My point is I truly
appreciate
a good writing experience.
4.) OneNote ink text is similar to what I get with Plan Plus,
but it goes farther by smoothing the resulting ink. The pressure sensitivity
shows in my writng, perhaps it could be better if OneNote offered better
customization
of pressure and pen tip shapes lie Alias. I still have jaggies and some
tracking
problems only with PlanPlus and OneNote (GoBinder is the same). My ink is
less
than ideal, I often switch to Alias for writing my notes, at times I am
willing
to pass on the option to convert to text.
What I conclude from my observations is that the Intuos 3 sends enough info to
capture handwriting well. I tend to think the software ink engines or
drivers determine the
final quality. My observations are based on trial software and a Graohire 3
and
Intuos 3.
So, I really don't know if the ink will be better until I find a tablet pc
to try.
For now, all I can rely on is the WACOM an OneNote, etc...
I am not convinced, the sampling rates are that signigicant. I will look into
the sampling rates...
I am hoping that when I get the opportunity to try a tablet pc, I will find
digital ink smoother and better.
1.) When using the Intuos 3 with the Alias Sketchbook Pro trial.
My writing is captured perfectly. NO jaggies, just pure me. In addition,
the different Pen Style choices and customizations
allows me to fine tune the writing experience. Has me crying for
ink recognition, too bad for me the application is
for drawing and doesn't distinguish handwriting (ink) from drawing. As you
know,
the canvous contents are saved to graphics format of choice.
2.) When using Evernote beta, my handwriting looks smooth and the chisel
point adds flair to my handwriting like
a fancy pen. NO jaggies. However, it doesn't compare to the capture I
get with Alias nor does it recognize pressure (it is beta as you know).
3.) In Franklin Plan Plus and GoBinder, the handwiting doesn't look good
and the Pen pressure doesn't seem to make much difference (no custonization).
Ballpoint pen ink looks sloppy, the chisel looks better but overall still
sloppy and cheezy. NOTE: I own a $60.00 Rotting Pen, I prefer really clean
white
paper with strong blue lines (college-narrow ruled) and bold red margins.
I detest cheap paper with washed out paper lines. My point is I truly
appreciate
a good writing experience.
4.) OneNote ink text is similar to what I get with Plan Plus,
but it goes farther by smoothing the resulting ink. The pressure sensitivity
shows in my writng, perhaps it could be better if OneNote offered better
customization
of pressure and pen tip shapes lie Alias. I still have jaggies and some
tracking
problems only with PlanPlus and OneNote (GoBinder is the same). My ink is
less
than ideal, I often switch to Alias for writing my notes, at times I am
willing
to pass on the option to convert to text.
What I conclude from my observations is that the Intuos 3 sends enough info to
capture handwriting well. I tend to think the software ink engines or
drivers determine the
final quality. My observations are based on trial software and a Graohire 3
and
Intuos 3.
So, I really don't know if the ink will be better until I find a tablet pc
to try.
For now, all I can rely on is the WACOM an OneNote, etc...
I am not convinced, the sampling rates are that signigicant. I will look into
the sampling rates...
I am hoping that when I get the opportunity to try a tablet pc, I will find
digital ink smoother and better.
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Chris H.
I'm sorry, but I don't have the external hardware you're mentioning to
compare your results with my experience on a Tablet PC. The Tablet PCs use
built-in digitizers behind the screen, which sample the Ink at approximately
three to four times faster (and therefore more complete information on the
strokes) than an external, analog writing pad.
With the Tablet PC Edition 2005 and the recognition, the handwriting
conversion is very good, however, without the Tablet PC, you would not be
accessing that recognizer engine nor the associated dictionary and
conversion software.
There is a full story on digital Ink on Tablet PCs (now more than two years
old, but contains good information) here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/oct02/10-29TabletInking.asp
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
compare your results with my experience on a Tablet PC. The Tablet PCs use
built-in digitizers behind the screen, which sample the Ink at approximately
three to four times faster (and therefore more complete information on the
strokes) than an external, analog writing pad.
With the Tablet PC Edition 2005 and the recognition, the handwriting
conversion is very good, however, without the Tablet PC, you would not be
accessing that recognizer engine nor the associated dictionary and
conversion software.
There is a full story on digital Ink on Tablet PCs (now more than two years
old, but contains good information) here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/oct02/10-29TabletInking.asp
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
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L4CES
This was helpful information, thanks for the timely response.
It is obvious that Tablet PC should offer a much needed improvement over
what I am trying to use currently.
Although, I rely on OneNote. I really do like the (digital ink-like)
results I get with the different pencil options offered in Alias
SketchPad. Is it possible for OneNote to provide the same effects for
handwriting? According to the link you've provided, it seems that the
modelling the variable pressures would work against the recognition
engine. Perhaps a draw mode for OneNote would be an option.
Looking forward to a real Tablet PC.
Thanks in Advance
It is obvious that Tablet PC should offer a much needed improvement over
what I am trying to use currently.
Although, I rely on OneNote. I really do like the (digital ink-like)
results I get with the different pencil options offered in Alias
SketchPad. Is it possible for OneNote to provide the same effects for
handwriting? According to the link you've provided, it seems that the
modelling the variable pressures would work against the recognition
engine. Perhaps a draw mode for OneNote would be an option.
Looking forward to a real Tablet PC.
Thanks in Advance
C
Chris H.
Good luck on your quest for a Tablet PC. I think you'll be amazed with the
difference.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
difference.
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Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
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Justin S
Lots of great info here from all parties - thanks guys!
I understand that a Tablet PC has 3x faster digitizers...but is this soley
hardware related? Now yo uare asking "what is he talking about?"
I have an MSDN Univ subscription and I could in theory install XP Tablet PC
on my workstation...in doing so I would have the HR features on Tablet PC
when I add a Waccom or Intuos tablet to my desktop. However, I am curious if
this will result in the same slow and not so good HR that we are all talking
about.
All I am looking for is some minor ability to draw/doodle in my notes so I
know I can keep my system as is (i.e. not install Tablet PC) and just buy an
external tablet. However, I wouldn't mind some HR if I could have it.
Any suggestions or comments?
Thanks!
- Justin
I understand that a Tablet PC has 3x faster digitizers...but is this soley
hardware related? Now yo uare asking "what is he talking about?"
I have an MSDN Univ subscription and I could in theory install XP Tablet PC
on my workstation...in doing so I would have the HR features on Tablet PC
when I add a Waccom or Intuos tablet to my desktop. However, I am curious if
this will result in the same slow and not so good HR that we are all talking
about.
All I am looking for is some minor ability to draw/doodle in my notes so I
know I can keep my system as is (i.e. not install Tablet PC) and just buy an
external tablet. However, I wouldn't mind some HR if I could have it.
Any suggestions or comments?
Thanks!
- Justin
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Chris H.
Tablet PCs have digitizers underneath the screens. Unless you purchase a
special, digitalized writing pad or go for a high-end digital monitor,
you're only going to be sampling at normal mouse speed. The difference
between such a setup (desktop with a pad) and a Tablet PC would drive me
crazy because on a Tablet I can write exactly where I want, holding the
Tablet like a tablet of paper.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
special, digitalized writing pad or go for a high-end digital monitor,
you're only going to be sampling at normal mouse speed. The difference
between such a setup (desktop with a pad) and a Tablet PC would drive me
crazy because on a Tablet I can write exactly where I want, holding the
Tablet like a tablet of paper.
--
Chris H.
Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
Tablet Creations - http://nicecreations.us/
Associate Expert
Expert Zone -
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MASimp
Jaszzz - do you like evernote or endnote better? I am a PC & PPC user - no
tablet. And would like to figure out digital pen input for notes.
tablet. And would like to figure out digital pen input for notes.