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Lynda Eckert

My classes have created a document with two columns of bulleted items.
When we add graphics from the clip art, we would like the freedom to
move them around. But if we choose text wrapping, the top bullet from
the second column moves back to the first column.

Is there any solution to this other than using inline formatting - in
other words, embedded?

Thank you.
 
J

John McGhie

Hi Lynda:

The answer to your question is "No".

Use the paragraph properties Keep With Next, Keep Lines Together and Space
above and below to manipulate the paragraph back where you want it.

Let me make some remarks: Lynda, you don't need to read this because you
know all this stuff, but anyone coming in fresh to the newsgroup may not
know it, and won't understand why I gave you that answer.

1) Microsoft Word is a word-processor. It is NOT a desktop publisher. It
is important to distinguish the two methods of operating and tech your
classes when to use each kind of software.

2) Because Word is a word-processor, it is designed to PREVENT desktop
publishing.

3) Word has some rudimentary layout capabilities that will enable the user
to emulate a desktop publishing application. These facilities can be used
to great effect for short documents designed for non-commercial or
non-professional use.

4) If you do decide to use Word for desktop publishing or layout duties,
you have to accept responsibility for specifically placing each element on
the page. You need to understand that Word is designed to flow the text to
make it fit. You need to prevent that to get stuff to stay where you want
it.

Normally you would do this using table cells or text boxes to constrain the
text so it cannot more around. The "page" in a Word document is a complete
fiction. It never exists in the file: Word invents pages on the way to the
printer or display screen.

This is a fundamental point, which I believe it's very important to teach:
"A Word document is NOT a sheet of blank paper. It is completely EMPTY.
Until you put some text in there. Because it is empty, there is nothing in
the file to mount objects on. On a sheet of paper, the blank parts are
still paper. They have a physical existence. Marks you make on paper are
located in space by the paper substance between them and the objects around
them. This does not happen in a Word file. Between one object and the next
in a Word file there is nothing. Nothing at all. Not even air. Nothing to
hold the object in position. In a Word file, all of the objects are spaced
down the page a measured amount from the object above them. It's a long
daisy chain: you move one of the daisies and everything below it moves."

Repeat that to your class, in as many different ways as you can, until they
"get" it. Once they understand that, their problems with page layout in
Word will go away, because they will suddenly understand what it is that
they are trying to do. Once you realise that if you want stuff to stay
where you put it in a Word file, you must first create a structure to hold
it in place, you can then use Word to make some really neat looking stuff.

And you will intuitively understand that if you allow Word to flow text
around pictures, you must be prepared to cope with the result: your text is
going to move.

If you don't like that, insert a spacer object to push the text where you
want it :)

Hope this helps

My classes have created a document with two columns of bulleted items.
When we add graphics from the clip art, we would like the freedom to
move them around. But if we choose text wrapping, the top bullet from
the second column moves back to the first column.

Is there any solution to this other than using inline formatting - in
other words, embedded?

Thank you.

--

Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.

John McGhie <[email protected]>
Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 4 1209 1410
 
L

Lynda Eckert

John McGhie said:
Hi Lynda:

The answer to your question is "No".

Use the paragraph properties Keep With Next, Keep Lines Together and Space
above and below to manipulate the paragraph back where you want it.

Let me make some remarks: Lynda, you don't need to read this because you
know all this stuff, but anyone coming in fresh to the newsgroup may not
know it, and won't understand why I gave you that answer.

1) Microsoft Word is a word-processor. It is NOT a desktop publisher. It
is important to distinguish the two methods of operating and tech your
classes when to use each kind of software.

2) Because Word is a word-processor, it is designed to PREVENT desktop
publishing.

3) Word has some rudimentary layout capabilities that will enable the user
to emulate a desktop publishing application. These facilities can be used
to great effect for short documents designed for non-commercial or
non-professional use.

4) If you do decide to use Word for desktop publishing or layout duties,
you have to accept responsibility for specifically placing each element on
the page. You need to understand that Word is designed to flow the text to
make it fit. You need to prevent that to get stuff to stay where you want
it.

Normally you would do this using table cells or text boxes to constrain the
text so it cannot more around. The "page" in a Word document is a complete
fiction. It never exists in the file: Word invents pages on the way to the
printer or display screen.

This is a fundamental point, which I believe it's very important to teach:
"A Word document is NOT a sheet of blank paper. It is completely EMPTY.
Until you put some text in there. Because it is empty, there is nothing in
the file to mount objects on. On a sheet of paper, the blank parts are
still paper. They have a physical existence. Marks you make on paper are
located in space by the paper substance between them and the objects around
them. This does not happen in a Word file. Between one object and the next
in a Word file there is nothing. Nothing at all. Not even air. Nothing to
hold the object in position. In a Word file, all of the objects are spaced
down the page a measured amount from the object above them. It's a long
daisy chain: you move one of the daisies and everything below it moves."

Repeat that to your class, in as many different ways as you can, until they
"get" it. Once they understand that, their problems with page layout in
Word will go away, because they will suddenly understand what it is that
they are trying to do. Once you realise that if you want stuff to stay
where you put it in a Word file, you must first create a structure to hold
it in place, you can then use Word to make some really neat looking stuff.

And you will intuitively understand that if you allow Word to flow text
around pictures, you must be prepared to cope with the result: your text is
going to move.

If you don't like that, insert a spacer object to push the text where you
want it :)

Hope this helps

Thank you for your excellent explanation. My students (fifth graders,
by the way) and I experimented for a while and found that adding an
extra return to the top of the page, before the bullet list, worked to
hold our pictures in place and not move the bullets. This follows your
suggestion to add spacers. They are thrilled to get an answer and we
all "get it" now. Thanks again.
 

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