Printing problem at sections breaks

[bammo]

Word insists in breaking my documents at section breaks, when I print.
I can recover normally recover from it by removing the sections break
then re-insert them but this time it does not work.
This one is a very small document (4 pages).
One page I made is landscape and the other 3 are portrait.
Word inserted the 2 section break (next page) automatically on each
side of the landscape page and it looks fine on screen and on the
File>Print Preview.
Now before I print I select the Preview button on the print dialogue
box and I can see that it will not be a whole document by the way
pages are being processed, Word breaks it in 3 parts because I have 2
section breaks.
The same thing happens when I save it in pdf format.
Now I am stuck I would like to use this document tomorrow.
I reviewed my notes from John McGhie and did not see anything about
this problem.
Can you shed some light on the subject please.
Regards

 

[CyberTaz]

I'm afraid you've come across one of the most frustrating "who-struck-John"
arguments in existence. Whether fault lies with MS or Apple has never been
determined, but section breaks that include changes to orientation and/or
margin settings typically behave in such an inappropriate manner.

I'm not sure what you mean by "use this document tomorrow" - use it *how*?

There's no problem with viewing it on screen, just with printing it in one
job, right? If you need a hard copy print the pages in section one, section
2 & section 3 separately, then stack the printed pages together. As for PDF,
you can create the 3 PDF files then (if you don't have Acrobat) use one of
the available PDF-stitcher apps readily available to join them into a single
PDF file. If you need the latter have a look here:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20286

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24482

Others are also available - most are freeware or shareware.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

 

[bammo]

I'm afraid you've come across one of the most frustrating "who-struck-John"
arguments in existence. Whether fault lies with MS or Apple has never been
determined, but section breaks that include changes to orientation and/or
margin settings typically behave in such an inappropriate manner.

I'm not sure what you mean by "use this document tomorrow" - use it *how*?

There's no problem with viewing it on screen, just with printing it in one
job, right? If you need a hard copy print the pages in section one, section
2 & section 3 separately, then stack the printed pages together. As for PDF,
you can create the 3 PDF files then (if you don't have Acrobat) use one of
the available PDF-stitcher apps readily available to join them into a single
PDF file. If you need the latter have a look here:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20286

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24482

Others are also available - most are freeware or shareware.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Thanks for a quick response. What I mean is I need a hard copy for my
job. I cannot print it as a booklet because the logic of the booklet
is scrambled. I used ClickBook with great success on Letter size paper
in the past on old Mac and FrameMaker, but I did not manage to get
intelligent results with A4 documents using Word on my MacBook Pro.

I tried Cheap Impostor with better results and much much simpler
procedure than ClickBook and in the end I found that Acrobat Reader
prints booklets very easily, but it does not recognise the gutter
between odd and even pages and the result is not centred when printing
on both sides. I will find a solution for that later but for now I
need to know how to just print normally without splitting my doc at
the section breaks.

It is not only on documents with change of orientation, it happens
also on regular portrait documents, and it is always related to a
section break. I have long documents with many section breaks that
print normally, but it is not consistent.

I assumed that since Word inserted this break automatically for me in
the case of change of orientation, it should be at the right place,
but no joy.

Tell me if I am putting my section break at the right place:
· I tried at the end of the previous sentence where I always feel it
should be if I understand section correctly, but
· it seems to give better results if I insert the break at the
beginning of the next sentence or heading, and I don't know why.
It is a trial and error process until I understand the logic of Word.

Regards

 

[John McGhie]

What Bob was trying to tell you was THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE

When you make any change to "page" properties, Mac OS printing subsystem
will start a new print job.

Whose fault it is doesn't matter: the problem is that it's a bug for which
there is no work-around. You either have section breaks and multiple jobs,
or no section breaks and only one job.

So you need to print to PDF, then use a PDF editor to stitch the jobs back
together again.

Word won't do it...

Cheers

Thanks for a quick response. What I mean is I need a hard copy for my
job. I cannot print it as a booklet because the logic of the booklet
is scrambled. I used ClickBook with great success on Letter size paper
in the past on old Mac and FrameMaker, but I did not manage to get
intelligent results with A4 documents using Word on my MacBook Pro.

I tried Cheap Impostor with better results and much much simpler
procedure than ClickBook and in the end I found that Acrobat Reader
prints booklets very easily, but it does not recognise the gutter
between odd and even pages and the result is not centred when printing
on both sides. I will find a solution for that later but for now I
need to know how to just print normally without splitting my doc at
the section breaks.

It is not only on documents with change of orientation, it happens
also on regular portrait documents, and it is always related to a
section break. I have long documents with many section breaks that
print normally, but it is not consistent.

I assumed that since Word inserted this break automatically for me in
the case of change of orientation, it should be at the right place,
but no joy.

Tell me if I am putting my section break at the right place:
· I tried at the end of the previous sentence where I always feel it
should be if I understand section correctly, but
· it seems to give better results if I insert the break at the
beginning of the next sentence or heading, and I don't know why.
It is a trial and error process until I understand the logic of Word.

Regards

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[Elliott Roper]

I tried Cheap Impostor with better results and much much simpler
procedure than ClickBook and in the end I found that Acrobat Reader
prints booklets very easily, but it does not recognise the gutter
between odd and even pages and the result is not centred when printing
on both sides. I will find a solution for that later but for now I
need to know how to just print normally without splitting my doc at
the section breaks.

What the others said. Any section break that has change in margins or
orientation splits the print job. There is nothing you can do in Word
to fix that. As you certainly know, to use Cheap Impostor you *must*
stitch the PDFs together with PDFLab or similar before you start. It is
quick and simple.
In its latest registered version, Cheap Imposter offers very precise
alignment of each side of the page tuned to your printer as well as
excellent creep adjustment based on the thickness of the paper you are
using. You already know it handles the gutter well too.

 

[bammo]

What the others said. Any section break that has change in margins or
orientation splits the print job. There is nothing you can do in Word
to fix that. As you certainly know, to use Cheap Impostor you *must*
stitch the PDFs together with PDFLab or similar before you start. It is
quick and simple.
In its latest registered version, Cheap Imposter offers very precise
alignment of each side of the page tuned to your printer as well as
excellent creep adjustment based on the thickness of the paper you are
using. You already know it handles the gutter well too.

Thank you very much gentlemen, very informative responses.