Problem with a form's 'behind the scenes' SQL/design

A

A Ratcliffe

Ok, this is probably simple, but I haven't run into this much trouble for
something that on paper seems simple.

I have 4 tables, as follows:-

Company
----------
Id (Autonumber)
Name (Text)
(...Additional company-specific data to be added)

Address
---------
Id (Autonumber)
Department (Text)
AddressLine1(Text)
AddressLine2(Text)
etc (basic Address details)

AddressType
-------------
Id (Autonumber)
Type (Text)

CompAddLink
---------------
CompanyId (Number)
AddressId (Number)
AddressType (Number)

As you can probably figure out, its designed to allow multiple types of
addresses (Delivery, Invoice, Head Office, etc) to be assigned to a Company.

On the CompanyView Form, I want to a) the Company Name listed, b) a
drop-down list of all possible Address Types, c) buttons for
Create/Edit/Delete for manipulating the addresses, and finally d) a subform
that will either show the selected address (Edit/Delete enabled, Create
disabled), or show a blank frame with 'Address not assigned' (Create
enabled, Edit/Delete disabled).

Hopefully you can understand the description or how it would look and work.

The problem is, although I can create a query to get all the current
addresses asigned to the Company, I can't seem to work out how to get the
drop-down list to show all possible Address Types, and react accordingly,
because the Query only knows about those addresstypes currently assigned to
the company. As a fix, I've considered launching a separate form on Create
which would allow selection of any AddressType not currently in the initial
Query, but it seems an untidy way of doing what seems initially so simple.

I hope I've explained it well enough, the data-structure istelf should be
fairly self explanatory.

Thanks on advance for any assistance,

Yours,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
H

HSalim

Ann Marie,
It is nice to see table details in postings as it makes it much easier.
Thanks.
The rowsource for your dropdown should be
Select Id , Type from AddressType - that is all you need.
You can store the value of the dropdown list in CompAddLink

HS
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On the CompanyView Form, I want to
a) the Company Name listed,
b) a drop-down list of all possible Address Types,
c) buttons for Create/Edit/Delete for manipulating the addresses, and
finally
Not needed, unless you would prefer that the form is in read-only mode
on opening
d) a subform that will either show the selected address (Edit/Delete
enabled, Create
disabled), or show a blank frame with 'Address not assigned' (Create
enabled, Edit/Delete disabled).

Hopefully you can understand the description or how it would look and work.

The problem is, although I can create a query to get all the current
addresses asigned to the Company, I can't seem to work out how to get the
drop-down list to show all possible Address Types, and react accordingly,
because the Query only knows about those addresstypes currently assigned to
the company.


As a fix, I've considered launching a separate form on Create
 
K

Ken Snell

A Ratcliffe said:
OK, got the drop-down list working correctly, but (via the builders at last)
I can't seem to specify the drop-down list's value as one of the criteria
for the subform.

When you say criteria for the subform, are you referring to using the combo
box as a parameter in the subform's recordsource query? If yes, the
criterion expression would be similar to this:

[Forms]![MainFormName]![ComboBoxName]
 
H

HSalim

AR

Access continues to be one of the best Rapid Application Development tools
available.
You should stay with it and not let minor frustrations get you down. Every
tool has its limitations.

The wizards are not very advanced - just something to get you started.

I think the ability to ask the user to input a value is neat - in that it is
in addition to what you want.
for example, in your dropdown you could set the control's row source to be
Select Id , Type from AddressType where addresstype =
forms!someForm!subform.somecontrol.value
and it will not prompt for the value

HS
 
A

A Ratcliffe

Thanks for you help, we are almost there....
Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

This works when I change the combobox after the form is open, but it doesn't
pick up the initial details when the form is first displayed. Is there the
equivalent of the OnInitialUpdate or such, that I could call to kick start
the form?

In the meantime, I tried putting Me!cboAddType.Value into the query, but it
then asked for a value via a mini-dialog.....How else can I put the form
into the query without worrying about parent (I know its easier with
code....is it worth me overriding the form's details and just coding
everything by hand?)

Thanks in advance,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
A

A Ratcliffe

The combobox is on the subAddress subform. The only detail we need to draw
from the parent form is the company's Id, which will limit all the other
forms to the current company. It will be part of a multiple subform setup,
described in the message thread below:-

'Open/Close a subform based on clicking a label/check over a Rectangle
control'

Anyway, hope you can help....

Yours,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
A

A Ratcliffe

So far so good, it seems to work. One has to ask why Microsoft, is their
infinite wisdom, didn't allow you to wizard-reference a contol in the form
directly if your scopes are the same. Oh well, go figure.

If nothing else, it does emphasize one detail. Access is designed for basic
designs by wizard...the moment you need to do something more, everything
falls apart. For example, you ought to be able to work wih a control's value
in SQL without having to go back to the root FORMS!etc, and for that matter
you ought to be able to refer to the parent as Parent!controlName.value in a
SQL command. I mean directly, not by breaking out and direct coding it in,

Yours,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)




Ken Snell said:
You could use similar code in the form's OnLoad event. Are you saying that
the combo box starts with an initial, default value? And that that is what
you're trying to get?

With respect to using Me.cboAddType in a query, no, that won't properly read
your form. You need the full reference to get the query to see the correct
control (which you've already noted earlier):
[Forms]![MainFormName]![SubFormName]![ControlName]

In order to use the same query regardless of what the name of the main form
is in which you've put the subform, then you'll have to build the subform's
recordsource query in code and then run the query. Again, you could do this
in the OnLoad event of the subform itself (using the query that you'd posted
earlier):
Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim strSQL As String

' ***** Replace SubformControlName with the actual name of the
subform control
Const strSFName As String = "SubformControlName"

strSQL = "SELECT A.Department, A.Address1, A.Address2, " & _
"A.Town, A.City, A.County, A.Postcode, A.Country " & _
"FROM Address AS A INNER JOIN CompAddLink AS CAL " & _
"ON A.Id = CAL.AddressId WHERE CAL.TypeId=" & _
"[Forms]![" & Me.Parent.Name & "]![" & strSFName & _
"]![" & Me.cboAddType.Name & "];"
Me.RecordSource = strSQL
Me.Requery
End Sub

Note in the above that SubformControlName should be replaced by the name of
the subform control that holds the subform. If you want to use this code in
all forms where this subform is being used, be sure to always name the
subform control the same in all those main forms.

Then, keep the code in the combo box's AfterUpdate event that requeries the
subform's recordsource;
Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

--
Ken Snell
<MS ACCESS MVP>

A Ratcliffe said:
Thanks for you help, we are almost there....


This works when I change the combobox after the form is open, but it doesn't
pick up the initial details when the form is first displayed. Is there the
equivalent of the OnInitialUpdate or such, that I could call to kick start
the form?

In the meantime, I tried putting Me!cboAddType.Value into the query, but it
then asked for a value via a mini-dialog.....How else can I put the form
into the query without worrying about parent (I know its easier with
code....is it worth me overriding the form's details and just coding
everything by hand?)

Thanks in advance,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
K

Ken Snell

A subform is not "open" on its own; it "exists" as a child of the main form.
Therefore, there is no way for ACCESS to "find" the subform unless it knows
to look inside the main form. This also allows you to have the same subform
in use by different main forms without "mixing" them up.

Wizards are designed for very basic setups...and are meant to be a starting
point. As you graduate to higher level operations, then yes you need to
write your own code for such things. I usually find that wizard's code is
unsuitable for most of the complex things that I do in forms, etc. (and by
complex, I mean making things easy for the user).

Good luck on your database.
--
Ken Snell
<MS ACCESS MVP>


A Ratcliffe said:
So far so good, it seems to work. One has to ask why Microsoft, is their
infinite wisdom, didn't allow you to wizard-reference a contol in the form
directly if your scopes are the same. Oh well, go figure.

If nothing else, it does emphasize one detail. Access is designed for basic
designs by wizard...the moment you need to do something more, everything
falls apart. For example, you ought to be able to work wih a control's value
in SQL without having to go back to the root FORMS!etc, and for that matter
you ought to be able to refer to the parent as Parent!controlName.value in a
SQL command. I mean directly, not by breaking out and direct coding it in,

Yours,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)




Ken Snell said:
You could use similar code in the form's OnLoad event. Are you saying that
the combo box starts with an initial, default value? And that that is what
you're trying to get?

With respect to using Me.cboAddType in a query, no, that won't properly read
your form. You need the full reference to get the query to see the correct
control (which you've already noted earlier):
[Forms]![MainFormName]![SubFormName]![ControlName]

In order to use the same query regardless of what the name of the main form
is in which you've put the subform, then you'll have to build the subform's
recordsource query in code and then run the query. Again, you could do this
in the OnLoad event of the subform itself (using the query that you'd posted
earlier):
Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim strSQL As String

' ***** Replace SubformControlName with the actual name of the
subform control
Const strSFName As String = "SubformControlName"

strSQL = "SELECT A.Department, A.Address1, A.Address2, " & _
"A.Town, A.City, A.County, A.Postcode, A.Country " & _
"FROM Address AS A INNER JOIN CompAddLink AS CAL " & _
"ON A.Id = CAL.AddressId WHERE CAL.TypeId=" & _
"[Forms]![" & Me.Parent.Name & "]![" & strSFName & _
"]![" & Me.cboAddType.Name & "];"
Me.RecordSource = strSQL
Me.Requery
End Sub

Note in the above that SubformControlName should be replaced by the name of
the subform control that holds the subform. If you want to use this code in
all forms where this subform is being used, be sure to always name the
subform control the same in all those main forms.

Then, keep the code in the combo box's AfterUpdate event that requeries the
subform's recordsource;
Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

--
Ken Snell
<MS ACCESS MVP>

A Ratcliffe said:
Thanks for you help, we are almost there....

Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

This works when I change the combobox after the form is open, but it doesn't
pick up the initial details when the form is first displayed. Is there the
equivalent of the OnInitialUpdate or such, that I could call to kick start
the form?

In the meantime, I tried putting Me!cboAddType.Value into the query,
but
it
then asked for a value via a mini-dialog.....How else can I put the form
into the query without worrying about parent (I know its easier with
code....is it worth me overriding the form's details and just coding
everything by hand?)

Thanks in advance,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
H

HSalim

Ann-Marie,
I see that your immediate problem is more or less solved, but there is the
issue of being able to use the same subform in multiple forms.
That is an excellent idea not only because it saves time when you are
designing the application but also requires less maintenence down the road
if you need to make changes - you make just one change, and the project is
not cluttered with multiple instances of the same form.
There are a few approaches to this. Like Ken mentioned, you could build the
SQL statement on the form load event and set the control's rowsource
property there.
another approach is to subclass the form. That can be a long discussion and
if you are interested in pursuing that line of thought (the right asnwer is
yes) do two things:
1. Buy the Access Developers handbook - a fantastic value for money and when
you have done that,
2. start a new thread on this subject.

As I have mentioned before, Access is an excellent tool. Yes it has its
limitations.

I think you should develop a deeper understanding of Access before you can
criticize it. If you are critical before then, you will cause unneeded
frustration for yourself and hinder your learning.

Good luck in your efforts
HS


A Ratcliffe said:
So far so good, it seems to work. One has to ask why Microsoft, is their
infinite wisdom, didn't allow you to wizard-reference a contol in the form
directly if your scopes are the same. Oh well, go figure.

If nothing else, it does emphasize one detail. Access is designed for basic
designs by wizard...the moment you need to do something more, everything
falls apart. For example, you ought to be able to work wih a control's value
in SQL without having to go back to the root FORMS!etc, and for that matter
you ought to be able to refer to the parent as Parent!controlName.value in a
SQL command. I mean directly, not by breaking out and direct coding it in,

Yours,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)




Ken Snell said:
You could use similar code in the form's OnLoad event. Are you saying that
the combo box starts with an initial, default value? And that that is what
you're trying to get?

With respect to using Me.cboAddType in a query, no, that won't properly read
your form. You need the full reference to get the query to see the correct
control (which you've already noted earlier):
[Forms]![MainFormName]![SubFormName]![ControlName]

In order to use the same query regardless of what the name of the main form
is in which you've put the subform, then you'll have to build the subform's
recordsource query in code and then run the query. Again, you could do this
in the OnLoad event of the subform itself (using the query that you'd posted
earlier):
Private Sub Form_Load()
Dim strSQL As String

' ***** Replace SubformControlName with the actual name of the
subform control
Const strSFName As String = "SubformControlName"

strSQL = "SELECT A.Department, A.Address1, A.Address2, " & _
"A.Town, A.City, A.County, A.Postcode, A.Country " & _
"FROM Address AS A INNER JOIN CompAddLink AS CAL " & _
"ON A.Id = CAL.AddressId WHERE CAL.TypeId=" & _
"[Forms]![" & Me.Parent.Name & "]![" & strSFName & _
"]![" & Me.cboAddType.Name & "];"
Me.RecordSource = strSQL
Me.Requery
End Sub

Note in the above that SubformControlName should be replaced by the name of
the subform control that holds the subform. If you want to use this code in
all forms where this subform is being used, be sure to always name the
subform control the same in all those main forms.

Then, keep the code in the combo box's AfterUpdate event that requeries the
subform's recordsource;
Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

--
Ken Snell
<MS ACCESS MVP>

A Ratcliffe said:
Thanks for you help, we are almost there....

Private Sub cboAddType_AfterUpdate()
Me.Requery
End Sub

This works when I change the combobox after the form is open, but it doesn't
pick up the initial details when the form is first displayed. Is there the
equivalent of the OnInitialUpdate or such, that I could call to kick start
the form?

In the meantime, I tried putting Me!cboAddType.Value into the query,
but
it
then asked for a value via a mini-dialog.....How else can I put the form
into the query without worrying about parent (I know its easier with
code....is it worth me overriding the form's details and just coding
everything by hand?)

Thanks in advance,

Ann-Marie Ratcliffe
(e-mail address removed)
 
S

s.becker

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(e-mail address removed)
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(e-mail address removed)
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S

s.becker

Hi ,
Let me tell you an amazing story...

Do not throw this mail away before you have read it. You have all to win and
nothing to loose. Here is a chance to earn a lot of money with no costs so
ever, and no obligations. So why not read the rest of this story and then,
if you think that this business is nothing for you? Throw this mail away
or...give it a try.

In this letter there is a part that tells you about the legalities of this
process. A part that tells of glamour stories, and a part that explains how
this "madness" actually works. The only part you truly have to concern
yourself with is the instructions. Follow the instructions carefully and you
can see how five dollars, probability, and multiplication will work to make
you thousands. I know it sounds too easy, I thought so too, but my advice to
you is...read on, what do you have to lose?


THE FORWARDED LETTER

Dear Friends: Greetings: I am a retired attorney. A few years ago a man came
to me with a letter. He asked me to verify the fact that this was legal to
do. I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the
letter my client brought me, I thought it was some "off-the-wall" idea to
make money. A week and a half later we met in my office to discuss the
issue. I told him the letter he originally brought me was not 100% legal. My
client then asked me to alter it to make it perfectly legal. I asked him to
make one small change in the letter. I was still curious about the letter,
so he explained to me how it works. I thought it seemed like a long shot, so
I decided against participating. But before my client left, I asked him to
keep me updated on his results. About two months later, he called me to tell
me he had received over $800,000 in cash. I didn't believe him, so he asked
me to try this idea and find out for myself. I thought about it for a couple
of days and decided I really didn't have anything to lose, so I asked him
for a copy of the letters. I followed the instructions exactly, mailed 200
copies, and sure enough, the money started coming in! It arrived slowly at
first, but coming. I kept a precise record of the earnings, and in the end,
it totalled $978,493! I could hardly believe it. I met with my friend for
lunch to find out exactly how it worked. My part in this was to give my help
to him, making sure that the whole thing was legal, since no one wants to
take the risk of doing something illegal.

By now you are surely curious to know what small changes to make. If you
sent a letter like this one out, in order to be completely legal, you must
actually sell something in order to receive a dollar in return. So when you
send a dollar to each of the names on the list, you must include these words
in the message-box, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" and include your
name and emailaddress. The item you will receive for the dollar you sent to
the five people below is the message with the request.

At the time I first tried this idea, I was earning a good living as a
lawyer. But everyone in the legal profession will tell you there is a lot of
stress that comes with the job. I told myself if things worked out, I would
retire from my practice and play golf. I decided to try the letter again,
but this time I sent 500 copies. Three months later, I had totalled
$2,341,178!


Here are a few reasons a person might give for not trying this program:

€ Some people think they can never make a lot of money with anything this
simple.

€ Some are afraid they will be ridiculed for trying

€ Some dream of large sums of money, but do nothing to actually achieve it.

€ Some are just plain lazy.

€ Some are afraid of losing their investment. They think this program is
designed to beat them out of a few dollars.

The system works if you will just try it. But you must follow the simple
instructions exactly, and in less than three months, you will be looking at
$800,000 ! Keep what you are doing to yourself for awhile. Many will tell
you it won`t work and will try to talk you out of your dreams. Let them know
of your success after it works.



LETTERS FROM PARTICIPANTS IN THIS PROGRAM:
My name is David Rhodes. In 1992 my car was repossessed and bill collectors
were hounding me. I was laid off and my unemployment ran out. In October of
1992, I received a letter telling me how to earn a large sum of money
anytime I wanted. Of course, I was skeptical. But because I was so desperate
and virtually had nothing to lose, I gave it a try. In January 1993, my
family and I went on a 10-day cruise. The next month I bought a brand new
Mercedes with cash! I am currently building a home in Virginia and I will
never have to work again. This money program really works perfectly every
time. I have never failed to receive less than $500,000. This is a
legitimate, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to sell
anything or to come in contact with people. And , best of all, you only
leave the house to mail the letters. If you have always believed that
someday you would get the lucky break, then simply follow the instructions
and make dreams come true.

Larry McMahon, Norfolk, VA Six months ago, I received this letter and
ignored it. Five more came within a period of time and I ignored them also.
I was tempted, but I was convinced that they were just a Hoax. After three
weeks of deliberating, I decided to give it a try ( not expecting much ).
Two weeks went by and nothing happened. The fourth week was unbelievable! I
can't say I received $800,000 but I have received over $120,000. For the
first time in years, I am debt free. I am doing this again, only this time
starting with 500 post. I strongly recommend that you follow the
instructions exactly as outlined in this letter.






INSTRUCTIONS

1. Go to www.paypal.com and open an account. (If you do this before the last
September you will be paid by Paypal with five dollar as a introduction
bonus so this effort will not cost you anything.) Forward a payment of
totally 5 dollar through your new PayPal account, 1 dollar each to the five
peoples mail-address listed in the bottom of this page. Select "Service" as
payment type. In the Subject field you should write "Mailing list" and in
the Note field write the following phrase, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING
LIST" and include your name and emailaddress. What you are doing is
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it!


2. Now take the #1 name off the list that you see at the bottom, move the
other names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...) and add YOUR name as
number 5 on the list.

3. COPY this letter. You do not have to type it 200 times. Simply place your
cursor at the top of the page, hold it and drag it all the way down to the
end of the letter. Then click on "edit" and select "copy". Now open up a
notepad file on your computer and put the cursor at the top of the page in
the notepad, click on 'edit' and then select 'paste' it will copy the letter
for you onto your computer.
Remove the name next to the #1 on the list (the list at the bottom of the
message) and move the rest of the names up one position (#2 becomes #1, #3
becomes #2, etc.....) Then place your name and your mail-address (which is
your payment address at payPal) in the #5 position. Then save it, make sure
it is saved as a .txt file.

4. When you have completed the instructions, type the address of one of
these search engines.

www.google.com
www.yahoo.com
www.altavista.com
www.askjeeves.com
www.Altavista.com
www.Fathead.com
www.TotalSEEk.com
www.Dmoz.com
www.SearchPort.com
www.Jayde.com
www.HotBot.com
www.ICQ IT!.com
www.WorldLight.com
www.Dogpile.com

In the search box, type "message forums" or "discussion forums". A list of
over 2 million boards will come up. Go to each board name and right click on
the mouse. Select 'copy'. Then go to your "write mail" box, as if you were
about to write a letter and select 'paste'. Do that until you have at least
200 locations. The more boards you find, the higher your
income potential will be. The search engine will give you a ton of message
forums; don't just grab the ones on the first page, dig deep and grab some
from the middle and the back also, to help make sure you're visiting places
no one has been to already. When you've found your 200+ locations, "copy"
all your locations, "paste" them in a word document or notepad, and "Save"
the file. Once you have the locations, visit each one, register, and post
your letter. It's that simple. How many hours at your current job would it
take for you to make 6000 dollars ?

Post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter
and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject with "This is
pretty amazing.......", THAT'S IT! You're done with your first one,
Congratulations. Some boards may be difficult to figure out where to post.
If any board is too problematic for any reason, simply move on to the next
board. Get some of your favourite CDs to listen to while you do this also.
Keep a copy of this letter so you can use it a second time. Post it out
again in six months, but Post it with the addresses you receive with each
dollar. It will work better the second time. NOTE: This service is 100%
legal - (Refer to title 18 section 1302 of the U.S. Postal & lottery laws).
You can also call the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) to verify this. Hold
on to every letter and mailing list request you receive. They will be proof
of your service.



HOW THIS WORKS
When you send out 200 Posts, it is estimated that at least 15 people will
respond and send you a $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($15.00).
Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00 to be placed
on your mailing list ($225.00). Those 225 people Post 200 Posts each and
3,375 people send you $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($3,375.00)
Those 3,375 post 200 posts each and 50,625 people send you $1.00 each
($50,625). Those 50,625 post 200 posts each and 759,375 people send you
$1.00 ($759,375.00) At this point your name drops off the list, but so far
you have received $813,615.00. Even if less then 15 people respond each
time, you will still receive an income in the tens of thousands of dollars.
The reality is, even if you only made a few hundred dollars out of all this,
that's still an excellent return for such a miniscule investment. Most
people spend a lot more on lottery tickets and have nothing to show for it,
and forget about how much money is needed to play the market. Also, after
posting this message on 100 message boards, it may get boring.
Stay focused on what you want and don't quit until you finish.


P.S.
This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it
this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money
that so many others have received will come your way.

When your money begins to come in, give the first 10% to charity with spirit
and share a good fortune!



ADDRESSES TO SEND YOUR PAYMENT OF 1 DOLLAR EACH TO (THROUGH YOUR PAYPAL
ACCOUNT) AND THE MAILING LIST REQUEST:

(If you open a Pay-pal account before last September Pay-pal will give you a
bonus, 5 dollar, so this experience will cost you nothing!!!)


1)
Alex O'Leary
(e-mail address removed)
8377 APT. I MONTGOMERY RUN RD.
ELLICOTT CITY MD 21043

2)
Ralph H Sweeney
(e-mail address removed)

3)
Dick Baldwin, Santa Monica
(e-mail address removed)

4)
Clark Olsen, Minnesota
(e-mail address removed)

5)
Sarah Becker
(e-mail address removed)
Homestead, Fl 33033
 
S

s.becker

Hi ,
Let me tell you an amazing story...

Do not throw this mail away before you have read it. You have all to win and
nothing to loose. Here is a chance to earn a lot of money with no costs so
ever, and no obligations. So why not read the rest of this story and then,
if you think that this business is nothing for you? Throw this mail away
or...give it a try.

In this letter there is a part that tells you about the legalities of this
process. A part that tells of glamour stories, and a part that explains how
this "madness" actually works. The only part you truly have to concern
yourself with is the instructions. Follow the instructions carefully and you
can see how five dollars, probability, and multiplication will work to make
you thousands. I know it sounds too easy, I thought so too, but my advice to
you is...read on, what do you have to lose?


THE FORWARDED LETTER

Dear Friends: Greetings: I am a retired attorney. A few years ago a man came
to me with a letter. He asked me to verify the fact that this was legal to
do. I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the
letter my client brought me, I thought it was some "off-the-wall" idea to
make money. A week and a half later we met in my office to discuss the
issue. I told him the letter he originally brought me was not 100% legal. My
client then asked me to alter it to make it perfectly legal. I asked him to
make one small change in the letter. I was still curious about the letter,
so he explained to me how it works. I thought it seemed like a long shot, so
I decided against participating. But before my client left, I asked him to
keep me updated on his results. About two months later, he called me to tell
me he had received over $800,000 in cash. I didn't believe him, so he asked
me to try this idea and find out for myself. I thought about it for a couple
of days and decided I really didn't have anything to lose, so I asked him
for a copy of the letters. I followed the instructions exactly, mailed 200
copies, and sure enough, the money started coming in! It arrived slowly at
first, but coming. I kept a precise record of the earnings, and in the end,
it totalled $978,493! I could hardly believe it. I met with my friend for
lunch to find out exactly how it worked. My part in this was to give my help
to him, making sure that the whole thing was legal, since no one wants to
take the risk of doing something illegal.

By now you are surely curious to know what small changes to make. If you
sent a letter like this one out, in order to be completely legal, you must
actually sell something in order to receive a dollar in return. So when you
send a dollar to each of the names on the list, you must include these words
in the message-box, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" and include your
name and emailaddress. The item you will receive for the dollar you sent to
the five people below is the message with the request.

At the time I first tried this idea, I was earning a good living as a
lawyer. But everyone in the legal profession will tell you there is a lot of
stress that comes with the job. I told myself if things worked out, I would
retire from my practice and play golf. I decided to try the letter again,
but this time I sent 500 copies. Three months later, I had totalled
$2,341,178!


Here are a few reasons a person might give for not trying this program:

€ Some people think they can never make a lot of money with anything this
simple.

€ Some are afraid they will be ridiculed for trying

€ Some dream of large sums of money, but do nothing to actually achieve it.

€ Some are just plain lazy.

€ Some are afraid of losing their investment. They think this program is
designed to beat them out of a few dollars.

The system works if you will just try it. But you must follow the simple
instructions exactly, and in less than three months, you will be looking at
$800,000 ! Keep what you are doing to yourself for awhile. Many will tell
you it won`t work and will try to talk you out of your dreams. Let them know
of your success after it works.



LETTERS FROM PARTICIPANTS IN THIS PROGRAM:
My name is David Rhodes. In 1992 my car was repossessed and bill collectors
were hounding me. I was laid off and my unemployment ran out. In October of
1992, I received a letter telling me how to earn a large sum of money
anytime I wanted. Of course, I was skeptical. But because I was so desperate
and virtually had nothing to lose, I gave it a try. In January 1993, my
family and I went on a 10-day cruise. The next month I bought a brand new
Mercedes with cash! I am currently building a home in Virginia and I will
never have to work again. This money program really works perfectly every
time. I have never failed to receive less than $500,000. This is a
legitimate, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to sell
anything or to come in contact with people. And , best of all, you only
leave the house to mail the letters. If you have always believed that
someday you would get the lucky break, then simply follow the instructions
and make dreams come true.

Larry McMahon, Norfolk, VA Six months ago, I received this letter and
ignored it. Five more came within a period of time and I ignored them also.
I was tempted, but I was convinced that they were just a Hoax. After three
weeks of deliberating, I decided to give it a try ( not expecting much ).
Two weeks went by and nothing happened. The fourth week was unbelievable! I
can't say I received $800,000 but I have received over $120,000. For the
first time in years, I am debt free. I am doing this again, only this time
starting with 500 post. I strongly recommend that you follow the
instructions exactly as outlined in this letter.






INSTRUCTIONS

1. Go to www.paypal.com and open an account. (If you do this before the last
September you will be paid by Paypal with five dollar as a introduction
bonus so this effort will not cost you anything.) Forward a payment of
totally 5 dollar through your new PayPal account, 1 dollar each to the five
peoples mail-address listed in the bottom of this page. Select "Service" as
payment type. In the Subject field you should write "Mailing list" and in
the Note field write the following phrase, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING
LIST" and include your name and emailaddress. What you are doing is
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it!


2. Now take the #1 name off the list that you see at the bottom, move the
other names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...) and add YOUR name as
number 5 on the list.

3. COPY this letter. You do not have to type it 200 times. Simply place your
cursor at the top of the page, hold it and drag it all the way down to the
end of the letter. Then click on "edit" and select "copy". Now open up a
notepad file on your computer and put the cursor at the top of the page in
the notepad, click on 'edit' and then select 'paste' it will copy the letter
for you onto your computer.
Remove the name next to the #1 on the list (the list at the bottom of the
message) and move the rest of the names up one position (#2 becomes #1, #3
becomes #2, etc.....) Then place your name and your mail-address (which is
your payment address at payPal) in the #5 position. Then save it, make sure
it is saved as a .txt file.

4. When you have completed the instructions, type the address of one of
these search engines.

www.google.com
www.yahoo.com
www.altavista.com
www.askjeeves.com
www.Altavista.com
www.Fathead.com
www.TotalSEEk.com
www.Dmoz.com
www.SearchPort.com
www.Jayde.com
www.HotBot.com
www.ICQ IT!.com
www.WorldLight.com
www.Dogpile.com

In the search box, type "message forums" or "discussion forums". A list of
over 2 million boards will come up. Go to each board name and right click on
the mouse. Select 'copy'. Then go to your "write mail" box, as if you were
about to write a letter and select 'paste'. Do that until you have at least
200 locations. The more boards you find, the higher your
income potential will be. The search engine will give you a ton of message
forums; don't just grab the ones on the first page, dig deep and grab some
from the middle and the back also, to help make sure you're visiting places
no one has been to already. When you've found your 200+ locations, "copy"
all your locations, "paste" them in a word document or notepad, and "Save"
the file. Once you have the locations, visit each one, register, and post
your letter. It's that simple. How many hours at your current job would it
take for you to make 6000 dollars ?

Post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter
and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject with "This is
pretty amazing.......", THAT'S IT! You're done with your first one,
Congratulations. Some boards may be difficult to figure out where to post.
If any board is too problematic for any reason, simply move on to the next
board. Get some of your favourite CDs to listen to while you do this also.
Keep a copy of this letter so you can use it a second time. Post it out
again in six months, but Post it with the addresses you receive with each
dollar. It will work better the second time. NOTE: This service is 100%
legal - (Refer to title 18 section 1302 of the U.S. Postal & lottery laws).
You can also call the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) to verify this. Hold
on to every letter and mailing list request you receive. They will be proof
of your service.



HOW THIS WORKS
When you send out 200 Posts, it is estimated that at least 15 people will
respond and send you a $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($15.00).
Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00 to be placed
on your mailing list ($225.00). Those 225 people Post 200 Posts each and
3,375 people send you $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($3,375.00)
Those 3,375 post 200 posts each and 50,625 people send you $1.00 each
($50,625). Those 50,625 post 200 posts each and 759,375 people send you
$1.00 ($759,375.00) At this point your name drops off the list, but so far
you have received $813,615.00. Even if less then 15 people respond each
time, you will still receive an income in the tens of thousands of dollars.
The reality is, even if you only made a few hundred dollars out of all this,
that's still an excellent return for such a miniscule investment. Most
people spend a lot more on lottery tickets and have nothing to show for it,
and forget about how much money is needed to play the market. Also, after
posting this message on 100 message boards, it may get boring.
Stay focused on what you want and don't quit until you finish.


P.S.
This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it
this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money
that so many others have received will come your way.

When your money begins to come in, give the first 10% to charity with spirit
and share a good fortune!



ADDRESSES TO SEND YOUR PAYMENT OF 1 DOLLAR EACH TO (THROUGH YOUR PAYPAL
ACCOUNT) AND THE MAILING LIST REQUEST:

(If you open a Pay-pal account before last September Pay-pal will give you a
bonus, 5 dollar, so this experience will cost you nothing!!!)


1)
Alex O'Leary
(e-mail address removed)
8377 APT. I MONTGOMERY RUN RD.
ELLICOTT CITY MD 21043

2)
Ralph H Sweeney
(e-mail address removed)

3)
Dick Baldwin, Santa Monica
(e-mail address removed)

4)
Clark Olsen, Minnesota
(e-mail address removed)

5)
Sarah Becker
(e-mail address removed)
Homestead, Fl 33033
 
S

s.becker

Hi ,
Let me tell you an amazing story...

Do not throw this mail away before you have read it. You have all to win and
nothing to loose. Here is a chance to earn a lot of money with no costs so
ever, and no obligations. So why not read the rest of this story and then,
if you think that this business is nothing for you? Throw this mail away
or...give it a try.

In this letter there is a part that tells you about the legalities of this
process. A part that tells of glamour stories, and a part that explains how
this "madness" actually works. The only part you truly have to concern
yourself with is the instructions. Follow the instructions carefully and you
can see how five dollars, probability, and multiplication will work to make
you thousands. I know it sounds too easy, I thought so too, but my advice to
you is...read on, what do you have to lose?


THE FORWARDED LETTER

Dear Friends: Greetings: I am a retired attorney. A few years ago a man came
to me with a letter. He asked me to verify the fact that this was legal to
do. I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the
letter my client brought me, I thought it was some "off-the-wall" idea to
make money. A week and a half later we met in my office to discuss the
issue. I told him the letter he originally brought me was not 100% legal. My
client then asked me to alter it to make it perfectly legal. I asked him to
make one small change in the letter. I was still curious about the letter,
so he explained to me how it works. I thought it seemed like a long shot, so
I decided against participating. But before my client left, I asked him to
keep me updated on his results. About two months later, he called me to tell
me he had received over $800,000 in cash. I didn't believe him, so he asked
me to try this idea and find out for myself. I thought about it for a couple
of days and decided I really didn't have anything to lose, so I asked him
for a copy of the letters. I followed the instructions exactly, mailed 200
copies, and sure enough, the money started coming in! It arrived slowly at
first, but coming. I kept a precise record of the earnings, and in the end,
it totalled $978,493! I could hardly believe it. I met with my friend for
lunch to find out exactly how it worked. My part in this was to give my help
to him, making sure that the whole thing was legal, since no one wants to
take the risk of doing something illegal.

By now you are surely curious to know what small changes to make. If you
sent a letter like this one out, in order to be completely legal, you must
actually sell something in order to receive a dollar in return. So when you
send a dollar to each of the names on the list, you must include these words
in the message-box, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" and include your
name and emailaddress. The item you will receive for the dollar you sent to
the five people below is the message with the request.

At the time I first tried this idea, I was earning a good living as a
lawyer. But everyone in the legal profession will tell you there is a lot of
stress that comes with the job. I told myself if things worked out, I would
retire from my practice and play golf. I decided to try the letter again,
but this time I sent 500 copies. Three months later, I had totalled
$2,341,178!


Here are a few reasons a person might give for not trying this program:

€ Some people think they can never make a lot of money with anything this
simple.

€ Some are afraid they will be ridiculed for trying

€ Some dream of large sums of money, but do nothing to actually achieve it.

€ Some are just plain lazy.

€ Some are afraid of losing their investment. They think this program is
designed to beat them out of a few dollars.

The system works if you will just try it. But you must follow the simple
instructions exactly, and in less than three months, you will be looking at
$800,000 ! Keep what you are doing to yourself for awhile. Many will tell
you it won`t work and will try to talk you out of your dreams. Let them know
of your success after it works.



LETTERS FROM PARTICIPANTS IN THIS PROGRAM:
My name is David Rhodes. In 1992 my car was repossessed and bill collectors
were hounding me. I was laid off and my unemployment ran out. In October of
1992, I received a letter telling me how to earn a large sum of money
anytime I wanted. Of course, I was skeptical. But because I was so desperate
and virtually had nothing to lose, I gave it a try. In January 1993, my
family and I went on a 10-day cruise. The next month I bought a brand new
Mercedes with cash! I am currently building a home in Virginia and I will
never have to work again. This money program really works perfectly every
time. I have never failed to receive less than $500,000. This is a
legitimate, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to sell
anything or to come in contact with people. And , best of all, you only
leave the house to mail the letters. If you have always believed that
someday you would get the lucky break, then simply follow the instructions
and make dreams come true.

Larry McMahon, Norfolk, VA Six months ago, I received this letter and
ignored it. Five more came within a period of time and I ignored them also.
I was tempted, but I was convinced that they were just a Hoax. After three
weeks of deliberating, I decided to give it a try ( not expecting much ).
Two weeks went by and nothing happened. The fourth week was unbelievable! I
can't say I received $800,000 but I have received over $120,000. For the
first time in years, I am debt free. I am doing this again, only this time
starting with 500 post. I strongly recommend that you follow the
instructions exactly as outlined in this letter.






INSTRUCTIONS

1. Go to www.paypal.com and open an account. (If you do this before the last
September you will be paid by Paypal with five dollar as a introduction
bonus so this effort will not cost you anything.) Forward a payment of
totally 5 dollar through your new PayPal account, 1 dollar each to the five
peoples mail-address listed in the bottom of this page. Select "Service" as
payment type. In the Subject field you should write "Mailing list" and in
the Note field write the following phrase, "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING
LIST" and include your name and emailaddress. What you are doing is
requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it!


2. Now take the #1 name off the list that you see at the bottom, move the
other names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...) and add YOUR name as
number 5 on the list.

3. COPY this letter. You do not have to type it 200 times. Simply place your
cursor at the top of the page, hold it and drag it all the way down to the
end of the letter. Then click on "edit" and select "copy". Now open up a
notepad file on your computer and put the cursor at the top of the page in
the notepad, click on 'edit' and then select 'paste' it will copy the letter
for you onto your computer.
Remove the name next to the #1 on the list (the list at the bottom of the
message) and move the rest of the names up one position (#2 becomes #1, #3
becomes #2, etc.....) Then place your name and your mail-address (which is
your payment address at payPal) in the #5 position. Then save it, make sure
it is saved as a .txt file.

4. When you have completed the instructions, type the address of one of
these search engines.

www.google.com
www.yahoo.com
www.altavista.com
www.askjeeves.com
www.Altavista.com
www.Fathead.com
www.TotalSEEk.com
www.Dmoz.com
www.SearchPort.com
www.Jayde.com
www.HotBot.com
www.ICQ IT!.com
www.WorldLight.com
www.Dogpile.com

In the search box, type "message forums" or "discussion forums". A list of
over 2 million boards will come up. Go to each board name and right click on
the mouse. Select 'copy'. Then go to your "write mail" box, as if you were
about to write a letter and select 'paste'. Do that until you have at least
200 locations. The more boards you find, the higher your
income potential will be. The search engine will give you a ton of message
forums; don't just grab the ones on the first page, dig deep and grab some
from the middle and the back also, to help make sure you're visiting places
no one has been to already. When you've found your 200+ locations, "copy"
all your locations, "paste" them in a word document or notepad, and "Save"
the file. Once you have the locations, visit each one, register, and post
your letter. It's that simple. How many hours at your current job would it
take for you to make 6000 dollars ?

Post this article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter
and selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject with "This is
pretty amazing.......", THAT'S IT! You're done with your first one,
Congratulations. Some boards may be difficult to figure out where to post.
If any board is too problematic for any reason, simply move on to the next
board. Get some of your favourite CDs to listen to while you do this also.
Keep a copy of this letter so you can use it a second time. Post it out
again in six months, but Post it with the addresses you receive with each
dollar. It will work better the second time. NOTE: This service is 100%
legal - (Refer to title 18 section 1302 of the U.S. Postal & lottery laws).
You can also call the U.S. Post Office (1-800-725-2161) to verify this. Hold
on to every letter and mailing list request you receive. They will be proof
of your service.



HOW THIS WORKS
When you send out 200 Posts, it is estimated that at least 15 people will
respond and send you a $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($15.00).
Those 15 will Post 200 Posts each and 225 people send you $1.00 to be placed
on your mailing list ($225.00). Those 225 people Post 200 Posts each and
3,375 people send you $1.00 to be placed on your mailing list ($3,375.00)
Those 3,375 post 200 posts each and 50,625 people send you $1.00 each
($50,625). Those 50,625 post 200 posts each and 759,375 people send you
$1.00 ($759,375.00) At this point your name drops off the list, but so far
you have received $813,615.00. Even if less then 15 people respond each
time, you will still receive an income in the tens of thousands of dollars.
The reality is, even if you only made a few hundred dollars out of all this,
that's still an excellent return for such a miniscule investment. Most
people spend a lot more on lottery tickets and have nothing to show for it,
and forget about how much money is needed to play the market. Also, after
posting this message on 100 message boards, it may get boring.
Stay focused on what you want and don't quit until you finish.


P.S.
This program remains successful because of the honesty and integrity of the
participants and by their carefully adhering to the directions. Look at it
this way. If you are of integrity, the program will continue and the money
that so many others have received will come your way.

When your money begins to come in, give the first 10% to charity with spirit
and share a good fortune!



ADDRESSES TO SEND YOUR PAYMENT OF 1 DOLLAR EACH TO (THROUGH YOUR PAYPAL
ACCOUNT) AND THE MAILING LIST REQUEST:

(If you open a Pay-pal account before last September Pay-pal will give you a
bonus, 5 dollar, so this experience will cost you nothing!!!)


1)
Alex O'Leary
(e-mail address removed)
8377 APT. I MONTGOMERY RUN RD.
ELLICOTT CITY MD 21043

2)
Ralph H Sweeney
(e-mail address removed)

3)
Dick Baldwin, Santa Monica
(e-mail address removed)

4)
Clark Olsen, Minnesota
(e-mail address removed)

5)
Sarah Becker
(e-mail address removed)
Homestead, Fl 33033
 

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