Problems with fonts and scrolling

[joeribt]

I am using word for mac and it works fine with English. I also need
Bulgarian and am using that font too. When I try to type in Bulgarian,
I can only use Times new roman. When I change to Arial, it switches
back to times the moment I start to write. Also, when I try scrolling
down, and "let go of the mouse" I am back in the beginning of the doc.
Does anyone know how I can solve this??

 

[Michel Bintener]

Another user encountered the same problem with a Slovak keyboard layout, and
here's what MVP Paul Berkowitz replied:

There are only a few fonts which have all the letters with diacritics needed
by Slovak. Times New Roman in Office 2004 is one of them. You _could_ choose
to use a Unicode Apple font like Lucinda Grande, but if you do so, it will
be substituted by something else (most likely Times New Roman, the default)
if the document is opened on Windows computers, since they don't have Apple
fonts there. So you're better off sticking with Microsoft Unicode fonts.
People on non-Unicode versions of Mac Word, like Word X and 2001, will not
see the correct characters unless they have a Mac font designed for Slovak
and you use the same one: see below. They will not get correct substitutions
even though they may have Apple Unicode fonts like Lucinda Grande, since
those will not display Unicode characters in Word X or 2001.

I suspect Word behaves the same way with Bulgarian, or any other Central
European script: it automatically switches to Times New Roman since that is
the most complete font available for Office:Mac. There's no miracle solution
to this problem: try experimenting with other fonts, such as Lucida Grande,
but be aware of the fact that this font is not available on Windows PCs, so
there's going to be font substitution.

As for your second problem: does the jump happen immediately after you stop
scrolling, or only when you start typing? Scrolling down does not affect the
position of the text cursor, so if that cursor is at the very top of your
document, you can scroll down as little or as far as you want, Word will
always bring it back on your screen the moment you start typing. If that's
not the problem you are experiencing, post back and give us more details,
such as the version of Word you are using, the version of Mac OS X and so
on.

I am using word for mac and it works fine with English. I also need
Bulgarian and am using that font too. When I try to type in Bulgarian,
I can only use Times new roman. When I change to Arial, it switches
back to times the moment I start to write. Also, when I try scrolling
down, and "let go of the mouse" I am back in the beginning of the doc.
Does anyone know how I can solve this??

--
Michel Bintener
Microsoft MVP
Office:Mac (Entourage & Word)

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[Paul Berkowitz]

Another user encountered the same problem with a Slovak keyboard layout, and
here's what MVP Paul Berkowitz replied:


I suspect Word behaves the same way with Bulgarian, or any other Central
European script: it automatically switches to Times New Roman since that is
the most complete font available for Office:Mac. There's no miracle solution
to this problem: try experimenting with other fonts, such as Lucida Grande,
but be aware of the fact that this font is not available on Windows PCs, so
there's going to be font substitution.

Bulgarian is not a Central European font, it's a Cyrillic font. Same idea,
although there are fewer fonts with Cyrillic characters. But this is a bug
that has been reported before. It applies both to Central European and to
Cyrillic keyboard inputs:

There are several Microsoft and Apple fonts which have the standard Cyrillic
characters. (As Michel says, if you choose an Apple font such as Lucida
Grande the font will be replaced on a Windows PC that doesn't have this
font. It will probably be replaces by Times New Roman on a PC, or possibly
by Arial Unicode if TNR doesn't have the character) There are half a dozen
Microsoft fonts in Mac Office which have the Central European characters,
but only three which have (most of) the Cyrillic characters, namely Times
New Roman, Trebuchet MS and Verdana. (If you pull down the Character Palette
and go to the Cyrillic family starting at 00000400 but leave out the first
line of accented characters: start with the second line at 0410 that has the
standard Cyrillic alphabet, and select a common character there such as Á,
you'll see which fonts have it. Many of them are Apple fonts, such as Lucida
Grande and Monaco, many are actually "big" Asian fonts -which only Unicode
apps and computers will have. (You might be sending your document to someone
in Bulgaria, say, on an older computer which won't have these Asian fonts.)
Sticking to European Microsoft fonts, there are only the three I mentioned:
Times New Roman, Trebuchet MS and Verdana.

The version of Arial that came with Mac Office is _not_ the huge Arial
Unicode that is on all Windows computers since at least Windows 2000, it's a
much smaller font with only Western European characters. You won't find
Cyrillic characters there. Bit that's not the problem you're hitting.

By rights, you ought to be able to switch to Verdana or Trebuchet MS in Word
2004, and with Bulgarian Input menu (keyboard) it should just type. But it
doesn't work - it immediately switches back to Times New Roman! That's the
bug. This is a known bug - it should be fixed in a later version of Word.

The workaround - which works - is to type your document in TNR. Then select
all the text (cmd-A) and NOW switch to Verdana or Trebuchet MS (or any Apple
or Asian font that does Cyrillic, if you know that all recipients will also
be in Mac Word 2004 : otherwise stick to these two. If you don't, the font
will be replaced by some other font you can't control on the recipient's
computer. If their computer doesn't have the characters you typed, you won't
even get the correct characters there.) Save. This works.

--
Paul Berkowitz
MVP MacOffice
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[joeribt]

Thanks, this explains a lot, guess I will need to wait for the bug to
be fixed...
As for the scrolling, I understand the link with the cursor position,
but then how do I scroll down to a next page, let's say, and "get" my
cursor there??

 

[CyberTaz]

Once you scroll to where you want to work, click with the mouse to place the
insertion point at that spot... You can also use the Page Down key or
Cmd+Page Down to move through the document instead of scrolling - the
insertion point will move page-to-page as you do.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac